# Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 24, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981 "2019-04-24T08:50:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 21
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 8:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/401 "2019-05-01T20:12:19Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > As she said early in _Endgame_ (paraphrasing): “There are a lot of planets out there that need help, and they don’t all have the Avengers.” So, presumably, dealing with the aftermath of the Snap on other worlds. > > And, in the five years between Thor killing Thanos, and Thanos getting time-jumped to the “present” by Nebula, there wasn’t any “fighting Thanos.” He was a non-issue. Yeah, but one thing about that seemed…off…to me. Ok, yeah, they weren’t fighting Thanos. But, they had the communications thingy. They also knew she was extremely powerful. Why didn’t any of them think 'hey, let’s call her up to help out with the time heist! '. I mean, if they had tried to call her and she basically had DND on her space phone, ok…I’d buy that. But no one even tried to call her? That just seemed odd to me. I mean, they went and got fat Thor in Scandinavia or wherever he was, yet they couldn’t just pick up the space phone used earlier in the movie to try and see if she was about for a little adventuring? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 8:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/402 "2019-05-01T20:13:13Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > As she said early in _Endgame_ (paraphrasing): “There are a lot of planets out there that need help, and they don’t all have the Avengers.” So, presumably, dealing with the aftermath of the Snap on other worlds. > > And, in the five years between Thor killing Thanos, and Thanos getting time-jumped to the “present” by Nebula, there wasn’t any “fighting Thanos.” He was a non-issue. And she showed up pretty damn fast once shit went down. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/403 "2019-05-01T20:24:02Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Yeah, but one thing about that seemed…off…to me. Ok, yeah, they weren’t fighting Thanos. But, they had the communications thingy. They also knew she was extremely powerful. Why didn’t any of them think 'hey, let’s call her up to help out with the time heist! '. I mean, if they had tried to call her and she basically had DND on her space phone, ok…I’d buy that. But no one even tried to call her? That just seemed odd to me. I mean, they went and got fat Thor in Scandinavia or wherever he was, yet they couldn’t just pick up the space phone used earlier in the movie to try and see if she was about for a little adventuring? > [@DigitalC](#): > > And she showed up pretty damn fast once shit went down. I think this is like the “Why wasn’t she there for Avengers 1/Age of Ultron/Infinity War/etc.” question that people had before Endgame came out: space is really big, and it takes a while to get from place to place. They might have called her the minute they figured out time travel, and it still took her the length of the movie to get from wherever she was back to Earth. ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/404 "2019-05-01T20:28:23Z")
> [@XT](#): > > Yeah, but one thing about that seemed…off…to me. Ok, yeah, they weren’t fighting Thanos. But, they had the communications thingy. They also knew she was extremely powerful. Why didn’t any of them think 'hey, let’s call her up to help out with the time heist! '. I mean, if they had tried to call her and she basically had DND on her space phone, ok…I’d buy that. But no one even tried to call her? That just seemed odd to me. I mean, they went and got fat Thor in Scandinavia or wherever he was, yet they couldn’t just pick up the space phone used earlier in the movie to try and see if she was about for a little adventuring? It’s entirely possible that she spent the last half of the movie en route to earth. At the end of the Captain Marvel movie the post-credits scene had the surviving avengers talking about how the pager had just been sitting there doing not much for…I forget how long, but it was long enough for them to pick themself up after the Snap, wonder about what happened to Fury, locate his car and collect the pager, take it to Wakanda, and start wondering why it’s not doing much. In Endgame it’s not clear how long it took them to build the time machine, but it’s entirely possible that they did push the pager’s button, went to work on the time machine, and then actually used it all before she could get back to earth. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 8:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/405 "2019-05-01T20:33:12Z")
So was the bit where Loki stole the Space Stone and escaped meant to kick off a new standalone movie? ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/406 "2019-05-01T20:38:31Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So was the bit where Loki stole the Space Stone and escaped meant to kick off a new standalone movie? He has a TV show coming up. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/407 "2019-05-01T20:38:35Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Hasn’t he already said the X-Men et al will now be incorporated in the MCU? That’s as it should be, IMO, since that’s how it was in the comic book Marvel Universe. > > Okay, sure: you might wonder why we haven’t seen them in the past, or especially in “Endgame”. But I’m okay with them handwaving this away and just acting like they didn’t happen to interact in previous movies. But YMMV obv. He said [it will be a very long time](https://www.indiewire.com/2019/04/kevin-feige-long-time-x-men-marvel-cinematic-universe-1202057131/) before the X-men enter the MCU. The next 5 years are already plotted out. I actually hope his “very long time” is a euphemism for “never” - I think the X-Men work best in a standalone universe. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/408 "2019-05-01T20:38:42Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So was the bit where Loki stole the Space Stone and escaped meant to kick off a new standalone movie? Loki’s getting his own TV show on Disney’s forthcoming streaming service. So, probably that. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/409 "2019-05-01T20:39:07Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > So was the bit where Loki stole the Space Stone and escaped meant to kick off a new standalone movie? A [TV series on the new Disney+ streaming service](https://www.imdb.com/title/tt9140554/), actually. Edit: ninja’d twice! That’s what happens when I go to try and find a link. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/410 "2019-05-01T22:19:02Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > Falcon is just a regular human, so are Okoye and Shuri. Technically so is Star Lord at this point. So is Tony Stark, but if you have tech that’s powerful enough, I can forgive it. That’s not the case for Hawkeye or Black Widow. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/411 "2019-05-01T22:22:44Z")
> [@GuanoLad](#): > > Because then that would be the answer to every problem they face. They had to lay down a rule that said they cannot change the past without messing up the present. They’re not fracturing the timeline like DC does with Flashpoint, they’re using the stones to bring everyone back. It works and it’s safe, even if in ongoing stories there will be some characters who are five years older than they used to be. e.g. I figure some of Peter Parker’s class at school will not be returning. Remember the disasters that had to have been caused when half the world population poofed? Planes crashing, widespread riots, hunger, infrastructure collapsing, insurance companies going bankrupt, ecologies collapsing, automobile accidents, etc? 3.75 Billion people gone, and then hundreds of millions dying from the after effects. (and why did Thanos take half the animals also? That makes no sense) Now, we’re gonna cause another disaster _just_ as the world gets used to and has recovered from the last. People showing up with no home, no job, in the middle of freeways, the ocean, the air. People needing to be fed, and there’s no infrastructure to do it. The hundreds of millions who died from the aftereffects dont come back, and the many millions who die from being brought back die. I say they should have left well enough alone. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/412 "2019-05-01T22:25:17Z")
[Someone made simple, easy to follow\* diagram explaining how the time travel works in this movie.](https://imgur.com/4L6tN5u) \*I’m lying about it being simple or easy to follow. But it looks accurate. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/413 "2019-05-01T22:25:40Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > So is Tony Stark, but if you have tech that’s powerful enough, I can forgive it. That’s not the case for Hawkeye or Black Widow. Honestly at this point there is no reason for either of them to not have an iron man suit. ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/414 "2019-05-01T22:33:27Z")
> [@MaxTheVool](#): > > … > -Interesting that two of the characters who we thought were DEFINITELY dead after Infinity War (Loki and Gamora) are, in some sense, “back”. > -… > -I’ll have to watch on Netflix or the equivalent at some point with subtitles on, I felt like there were a fair number of jokes that I missed due to crowd noise and muffled dialog. Loki? Yep. ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/415 "2019-05-01T22:39:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Someone made simple, easy to follow\* diagram explaining how the time travel works in this movie.](https://imgur.com/4L6tN5u) > \*I’m lying about it being simple or easy to follow. But it looks accurate. Wow, that’s really helpful. And at least it’s easier than the timeline from\* Primer\*. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/416 "2019-05-01T23:16:10Z")
Up to now all MCU movies have been set in our current time (Except for those set in the past like First Avenger and Captain Marvel) which matches up with our time. The first Avengers taking place in 2012, the same year it was released, for example. But now the MCU present is five years ahead of our time. Does that mean that Spiderman Far From Home is going to be set in 2024? ---
**Author:** ![begbert2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/begbert2/32/3357_2.png) [@begbert2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/begbert2)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/417 "2019-05-01T23:25:00Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Up to now all MCU movies have been set in our current time (Except for those set in the past like First Avenger and Captain Marvel) which matches up with our time. The first Avengers taking place in 2012, the same year it was released, for example. But now the MCU present is five years ahead of our time. Does that mean that Spiderman Far From Home is going to be set in 2024? I was about to say I’ll be disappointed if everyone doesn’t have hoverboards, but it occured to me this universe has had Stark in it for a decade. Why _doesn’t_ everybody have hoverboards? (Probably because that douche didn’t share tech. Forget Hawkeye or Black Widow - it took him fifteen years to give a suit to _Pepper!_) ---
**Author:** ![SlackerInc](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/slackerinc/32/275_2.png) [@SlackerInc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SlackerInc)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 11:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/418 "2019-05-01T23:25:12Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > Remember the disasters that had to have been caused when half the world population poofed? Planes crashing, widespread riots, hunger, infrastructure collapsing, insurance companies going bankrupt, ecologies collapsing, automobile accidents, etc? 3.75 Billion people gone, and then hundreds of millions dying from the after effects. > > (and why did Thanos take half the animals also? That makes no sense) > > Now, we’re gonna cause another disaster _just_ as the world gets used to and has recovered from the last. People showing up with no home, no job, in the middle of freeways, the ocean, the air. People needing to be fed, and there’s no infrastructure to do it. The hundreds of millions who died from the aftereffects dont come back, and the many millions who die from being brought back die. > > I say they should have left well enough alone. This is all spot on. Unfortunately I’m sure they won’t reckon with any of it at all in subsequent films. > [@DigitalC](#): > > Honestly at this point there is no reason for either of them to not have an iron man suit. So true! ---
**Author:** ![Larry\_Borgia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/larry_borgia/32/156_2.png) [@Larry\_Borgia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Larry_Borgia)\ **Post date:** [May 1, 2019, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/419 "2019-05-01T23:38:05Z")
> [@begbert2](#): > > I was about to say I’ll be disappointed if everyone doesn’t have hoverboards, but it occured to me this universe has had Stark in it for a decade. Why _doesn’t_ everybody have hoverboards? > (Probably because that douche didn’t share tech. Forget Hawkeye or Black Widow - it took him fifteen years to give a suit to _Pepper!_) [Reed Richards Is Useless](https://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.php/Main/ReedRichardsIsUseless) Marvel (and DC) doesn’t really want to get into the ramifications of all these characters having access to world changing powers and tech. The only comic that did that to my knowledge was Watchmen. Forget hoverboards, some characters have spaceships! why isn’t humanity as a whole interacting with interplanetary society. It’s because the writers want to keep the world recognizable. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [May 2, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/420 "2019-05-02T00:31:43Z")
> [@DrDeth](#): > > (and why did Thanos take half the animals also? That makes no sense). Here’s a fun thought - did all the dusted animals come back too? If you dust half the chickens on the planet, they are going to be back at previous levels in a very short time. Then you dump 50% **more** of them into the system? And as I wondered after _IW_ - where was the lower limit on “animals?” What happens if someone wasn’t dusted but half their e. coli were? Some digestive issues that would quickly pass. Now they get a megadose of more e. coli. Horrors. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=20) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=22)