# Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 24, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981 "2019-04-24T08:50:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 25
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/481 "2019-05-03T00:36:42Z")
> [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > What’s the deal with Thor’s eyes in [this poster](https://static.gamespot.com/uploads/scale_super/1578/15789737/3515481-thor.jpg)? If his eyes were different colors in the movie, I didn’t notice it. > > In real life, Chris Hemsworth’s eyes are [both blue](https://i.pinimg.com/originals/3d/24/06/3d2406e597c8e77a083b3533c186d581.jpg) so it was clearly a decision made by somebody to have one changed to brown. One was definitely brown in the movie. Thor’s mother comments on it and Thor tries to make up some reason from a previous fight before she says she knows that he’s from the future (which hasn’t been kind to him). I don’t remember if one was brown post-fake eye insertion in IW or not. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 12:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/482 "2019-05-03T00:38:59Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > One was definitely brown in the movie. Thor’s mother comments on it and Thor tries to make up some reason from a previous fight before she says she knows that he’s from the future (which hasn’t been kind to him). > > I don’t remember if one was brown post-fake eye insertion in IW or not. Well, he really should have washed it first… ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/483 "2019-05-03T05:16:03Z")
> [@](#): > > I don’t remember how it was sorted out, but that discussion is imprinted in my mind as a clear delineation of the kind of ethos Weldon describes. Times change, ethical guidelines evolve, but I think it’s at least worth mentioning that the traditional understanding of Tony Stark and all Marvel heroes is that they wouldn’t do something like that. You’re misremembering. First the issue is a standard issue of Avengers not Secret Wars. This issue AND Secret Wars was written by Shooter. Second…Tony absolutely is determined to kill Molecule Man. Cap of course will have none of it and says “You’ll have to go through me.” The other two present are Silver Surfer and a Don Blaked Thor…OF COURSE they don’t let the God who kills tons of beings when he needs to or the pragmatic cosmic being chime in. Actually, I take that back. As Don Blake I think he says something about the Hippocratic Oath (Thor as Blake was always weird). Its resolved when MM comes to and Tigra has been talking him into going into therapy. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/484 "2019-05-03T05:39:28Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > [Someone made simple, easy to follow\* diagram explaining how the time travel works in this movie.](https://imgur.com/4L6tN5u) > \*I’m lying about it being simple or easy to follow. But it looks accurate. It misses one tiny thing. Cap also returns Thors hammer. Otherwise, circa Thor 2 THor is well and truly fucked. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/485 "2019-05-03T05:50:52Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > Spoiler for Ragnarok: > > Hela ripped out one of Thor’s eyes. Rocket gave him a new one in Infinity War. Okay, I had forgotten about that. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 7:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/486 "2019-05-03T07:18:47Z")
I’m only up to page six of this, but I thought it was pointed out early from another Doper that the stones fell out of Thanos’s gauntlet due to Tony doing what his father told him to do in 1970. Dad puts out his hand as a regular handshake and switches to his index finger sticking out. Tony goes in for handshake, grabs the finger. So dear old dad with dad-joke says, “Shake it. Don’t pull it.” Cute. I thought since this happened off screen, Tony shaking Thanos’s gauntlet while fighting helped shake the stones loose and into the Stark-tech glove. Also could be why Dr. Strange held up his one finger at Tony? That’s what I got from that flashback with his dad too. Urrrrgh… I dunno. I could be bonkers. I’m not a big MCU aficionado, so I could be wrong. Either way, still awesome all around. Loved it and can’t wait to watch again! ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 8:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/487 "2019-05-03T08:18:51Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > Also could be why Dr. Strange held up his one finger at Tony? I assumed the significance of this scene was that Strange had earlier told Stark that there was only one way out of fourteen million possibilities where they would defeat Thanos. And then told him that he couldn’t tell Stark if this was the single correct path because by doing so it would cause their defeat. So when Strange later held up his finger, he was signalling to Stark that he could now confirm that this was the one. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/488 "2019-05-03T11:04:52Z")
Because I have nothing better to do…what date does Cap finally land on (Save Bucky? Stop Hitler? Stop Hirohito???) And what does he tell Peggy? (There’s a Cap popcycle out there but don’t worry about it) ---
**Author:** ![Kimstu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ecd19e/32.png) [@Kimstu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kimstu)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/489 "2019-05-03T16:18:31Z")
> [@SlackerInc](#): > > Jophiel’s post does make me wonder about the whales. Don’t whales grow very slowly? Why would there be more of them five years after half of them are wiped out, even with reduced shipping etc.? AIUI it’s not that there were necessarily **more** whales five years post-snap, it’s that a pod of whales was spotted in a formerly very unlikely place (New York harbor IIRC?). That is, the existing whales can now inhabit/visit more of their former habitat without running catastrophically afoul of human activity. So the massive reduction in human population did at least have the side benefit of making more of the world habitable for non-human life, which is not an implausible premise. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 4:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/490 "2019-05-03T16:35:55Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Because I have nothing better to do…what date does Cap finally land on (Save Bucky? Stop Hitler? Stop Hirohito???) And what does he tell Peggy? (There’s a Cap popcycle out there but don’t worry about it) Peggy: So, wait… I can have _two_ of you? ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/491 "2019-05-03T16:37:33Z")
Something I’m wondering about (besides why snapping the fingers was necessary, still no explanation for _that_) is, did Thanos actually mean half of ALL living things, or did he actually mean half of all the beings that have exploited, or are capable of exploiting, their environments to the point of destroying them as happened on his home planet? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/492 "2019-05-03T17:01:41Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Something I’m wondering about (besides why snapping the fingers was necessary, still no explanation for _that_) is, did Thanos actually mean half of ALL living things, or did he actually mean half of all the beings that have exploited, or are capable of exploiting, their environments to the point of destroying them as happened on his home planet? [All the critters and plants](https://screenrant.com/infinity-war-thanos-snap-animals-plants-killed/) > [@](#): > > In an interview with Birth Movies Death, Marvel Studios CEO Kevin Feige confirmed that it wasn’t just people that died with that finger snapping. When asked about plants and animals, Feige confirmed that half of the plants and animals of the world are now gone, too. He said, “Yes! Yes. All life.” ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/493 "2019-05-03T17:05:25Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Something I’m wondering about (besides why snapping the fingers was necessary, still no explanation for _that_) is, did Thanos actually mean half of ALL living things, or did he actually mean half of all the beings that have exploited, or are capable of exploiting, their environments to the point of destroying them as happened on his home planet? After HulkSnap - they made it very obvious that ‘birds’ were back when the team was looking out the window - of course, they were subsequently killed (again) by Thanos - but it was a very tweet scene. ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/494 "2019-05-03T17:14:48Z")
Well, that’s just stupid, then. The critters causing the issue were the ones exploiting the environment. You destroy half the (potential) food supply, you’re left with the same issue as before, just … smaller. (I mean, it was a stupid solution anyway, but this just makes it even more so.) ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/495 "2019-05-03T17:22:54Z")
> [@Nauplius](#): > > Now that they’ve gotten rid of Thanos and introduced alternate timelines and timey wimey shenanigans maybe the new big bad will be Kang the Conqueror. Hopefully it wont be Robert Downey Jr…ugh it totally will be RDJ. Someone mentioned Secret Wars with Hulk holding up a mountain earlier. Well spotted. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/496 "2019-05-03T17:23:40Z")
Morgyn: > [@](#): > > The critters causing the issue were the ones exploiting the environment. You destroy half the (potential) food supply, you’re left with the same issue as before, just … smaller. Well, you get more lebensraum, at least. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/497 "2019-05-03T17:42:13Z")
Re: The Snap…i kinda thought the point was that (In the comics so long ago) was that “With six stones, it will be so easy to destroy half the life in the universe, you could do it with a snap”. Not that “You physically HAVE to snap the fingers to make it happen!!” My review: I thought IW was nearly perfect. This…wasn’t. Don’t get me wrong. It was awesome. I cant wait to buy it on bluray. But: I like Cap lifting Mjolner, don’t like him drawing lightning and wielding it. I’m made to understand this happens in the books though. Pacing problems re comedy. I’m still reeling over Thanos death and the snappening folks and i’m getting a comedy movie?? Thats about it on the cons. And FFS do you all have bladders the size of walnuts??? If i read one more Q about the best place to take a pee break!! And I don’t mean just here. AV Club was rife with it in comments and reviews. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/498 "2019-05-03T17:43:22Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Well, that’s just stupid, then. Yup. Plus, Thanos would have been more productive by going around the universe handing out space condoms and teaching people about renewable energy or something. Ultimately though, Thanos wasn’t a misunderstood good guy whose plan just needed some tweaking in Excel, he was a bad guy who cared more about people telling him how right his stupid plan was than actually doing something right. He didn’t really want to do The Right Thing, he just wanted to be worshiped and have his ego stroked after after getting butthurt that no one listened to him before. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/499 "2019-05-03T17:49:01Z")
> [@Morgyn](#): > > Something I’m wondering about (besides why snapping the fingers was necessary, still no explanation for _that_) is, did Thanos actually mean half of ALL living things, or did he actually mean half of all the beings that have exploited, or are capable of exploiting, their environments to the point of destroying them as happened on his home planet? And that’s just stupid. On Earth, it’s the humans that upset the balance of nature. Until we showed up, there was no excess of any one species, because everyone had predators or other limitations. It’s just the humans who have been consuming species to extinction. And I assume the same thing is true on other planets, where the intelligent, dominant lifeform is messing up the ecosystem. So I can understand why he might want to reduce the number of humans. But not the rest of nature. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 3, 2019, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/500 "2019-05-03T17:51:18Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Pacing problems re comedy. I’m still reeling over Thanos death and the snappening folks and i’m getting a comedy movie?? I didn’t have a problem with there being comedy or lighter bits, but I do feel like most of the moments that took me out of the movie were comedy related: The Fortnite bit, Ant-Man being old/young/baby, the too-long joke about no one wanting a photo with Ant-Man, etc. They just didn’t land for me (non-comedy related includes Stark’s Audi commercial entrance and the previously-debated Girl Power moment). But, at the end, there was maybe collectively 10-15 minutes of duds in 180 minutes of film so I came away happy. > [@](#): > > And FFS do you all have bladders the size of walnuts??? If i read one more Q about the best place to take a pee break!! And I don’t mean just here. AV Club was rife with it in comments and reviews. Well, they DO sell those barrels of soda at the theater. My wife and I intentionally decided not to purchase the usual stuff and just snuck in a snack-sized bag of chips each to nibble on so we could avoid the salty popcorn/thirsty bucket of Coke thing. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=24) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=26)