# Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 24, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981 "2019-04-24T08:50:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 27
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 8:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/521 "2019-05-05T20:38:44Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > One thing that still bugs me is how they are able to jump between timelines. But I guess if time travel works at all, it can work like that. I think the idea is that it’s not really time travel - it’s \*quantum \*travel, or moving between different possible realities, some of which happen to be in the past (time, after all, is just another dimension). Nonsense, of course, but coherent nonsense. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/522 "2019-05-05T21:00:52Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > I think the idea is that it’s not really time travel - it’s \*quantum \*travel, or moving between different possible realities, some of which happen to be in the past (time, after all, is just another dimension). Nonsense, of course, but coherent nonsense. If they were going for that, then I’d submit they failed. If everything is just quantum probabilities, then branching timelines isn’t a thing. there’s only one at a time. Or, more likely, only one ever. The universe has only one “reality”. If you travel in time and alter reality, then the new one is just as real, and now is the “only” one. There are no “parallel” universes, just different quantum realities. All of them equally “true”. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/523 "2019-05-05T21:44:42Z")
Yeah, well, to you maybe it failed. I myself have not been cursed with knowledge, and to me it worked just fine. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 10:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/524 "2019-05-05T22:49:32Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > Yeah, well, to you maybe it failed. I myself have not been cursed with knowledge, and to me it worked just fine. That’s me - Just Ask Quassandra.🙂 One thing I thought of just now - if Captain Marvel can carry a spaceship “1000 light years” on just her skills, why can’t she pick up Thanos and drop him into a star? ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 11:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/525 "2019-05-05T23:10:41Z")
Thoughts: There’s gonna be planets where the Snap was seriously a boon…and now they find all those people back?? Lots of planets probably on the brink of war and annihilation get back all those people?? Shit I just realized that Doc Strange no longer has the time stone!! Are they going to find him a proper Eye of Agametto now?? Was Mordo dusted? I hope not cause maybe he had five years to think that his quest was petty and thus we can avoid that crappy storyline for the sequel. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/526 "2019-05-05T23:14:13Z")
> [@Dale\_Sams](#): > > Was Mordo dusted? I hope not cause maybe he had five years to think that his quest was petty and thus we can avoid that crappy storyline for the sequel. More likely he would equate the Infinity Stones with magic and think that this proved his belief about how dangerous unrestrained magic can be. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 11:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/527 "2019-05-05T23:19:14Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > The Ancient One says “you can’t take the stone, you’ll branch the timeline”. Banner convinces her he needs to take it, and…he branches the time line. Why even bother with rules? I think they were saying there was some flexibility in the timeline. You could do something like borrow an Infinity Stone for a short while as long as you returned it. A few minutes wouldn’t be significant. But if you removed an Infinity Stone from a timeline so it wasn’t there when it was needed - like for example during Strange’s fight with Dormammu - then its absence would change history and create a new timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 11:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/528 "2019-05-05T23:33:41Z")
As far as i can tell there were seven new universes created/ seven alternate dimensions visited. Six stones (One with a hammer also taken) and the timeline Clint created when he took a glove. So…yes…If i go back in time and leave a penny on top of a mountain, that penny wont be there when i get back. It will just be there in that other dimension. Yes…Cap probably just dropped the mind stone off at Hydra HQ on a desk (no scepter…and if he gives it to the Avengers then no Scarlet Witch or Quicksilver and probably no Vision) and yes he probably just dropped the space stone back at the 70’s HQ instead of a tesseract. Now as for the Peggy timeline…Im gonna believe its like when Spock went back in time in Star Trek (2009)…you cant live in a timeline like that and utterly ignore what is to come. I have to believe Spock debriefed Starfleet and i have to believe Steve did the best he could to at least rescue Bucky. NOWWWW…Im trying to figure out which of those timelines Thanos came forward in time from, and if theres anyway all those timelines can be one timeline instead of 6 or 7. Cause if i can wrap my head around them all being one. Then Steve doesn’t have to prevent Thanos cause Thanos dies when he goes forward in time/dimension hops. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 11:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/529 "2019-05-05T23:43:00Z")
> [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](#): > > One thing I thought of just now - if Captain Marvel can carry a spaceship “1000 light years” on just her skills, why can’t she pick up Thanos and drop him into a star? Captain Marvel in EG is basically Superman which means the same illogical stuff because you have someone who can essentially do anything but, for whatever reason, doesn’t. I liked the CM movie well enough (likely because she wasn’t all super-duper yet) but in EG she was just a deus ex machina to drop in a few times rather than an actual character. > [@Little\_Nemo](#): > > I think they were saying there was some flexibility in the timeline. You could do something like borrow an Infinity Stone for a short while as long as you returned it. A few minutes wouldn’t be significant. > > But if you removed an Infinity Stone from a timeline so it wasn’t there when it was needed - like for example during Strange’s fight with Dormammu - then its absence would change history and create a new timeline. That’s how I saw it. Removing the stones for a short time was perhaps like eroding the banks of a river a little bit. It happened but it’s not significant. Removing one for good (or past a significant event) is like a whole new branch forming. ---
**Author:** ![DigitalC](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/ebca7d/32.png) [@DigitalC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DigitalC)\ **Post date:** [May 5, 2019, 11:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/530 "2019-05-05T23:58:56Z")
The way I saw it was that any change that does not affect anything does not created a new timeline. That’s the whole point of putting the stones back in the same spot. ---
**Author:** ![Dale\_Sams](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/779978/32.png) [@Dale\_Sams](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dale_Sams)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 12:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/531 "2019-05-06T00:08:28Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The way I saw it was that any change that does not affect anything does not created a new timeline. That’s the whole point of putting the stones back in the same spot. You cant change the past. Period. Just by taking the stones for a split second you’ve changed the past. Cap fighting cap changes it. Hulk smashing an extra car changes it. I thought about it and Thanos comes forward from the “knock Quill out” timeline. So Cap can put the power stone in Quills pocket…and the guy from Captain Marvel can find him and they can disintegrate themselves trying to pick it up. That timeline is gonna be a mess unless Cap puts the power stone in a rock and shoves it and Quill into Quills ship and takes off in it. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/532 "2019-05-06T01:20:59Z")
> [@DigitalC](#): > > The way I saw it was that any change that does not affect anything does not created a new timeline. That’s the whole point of putting the stones back in the same spot. But as I understood the movie, not one could be put back in the same spot (well, maybe the Soul Stone. No one but Red Skull is there to notice.). The time diagram linked above isn’t canon, but none of the stones are shown being returned to the main timeline. ---
**Author:** ![Quercus\_alba](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/quercus_alba/32/4061_2.png) [@Quercus\_alba](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Quercus_alba)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 4:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/533 "2019-05-06T04:13:00Z")
I did notice that Cap was less careful about his “language” these days. ---
**Author:** ![typoink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ecb155/32.png) [@typoink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/typoink)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/534 "2019-05-06T16:04:36Z")
> [@Larry\_Borgia](#): > > The gauntlet was made by the dwarves on Nidavellir specifically for Thanos. Had a creature with, say, tentacles asked for one, I’m sure they could have accommodated it. Yeah, the MCU Gauntlet isn’t just a glove the stones happen to fit in, it’s a glove that’s been made to harness and control the stones. Presumably the “snap” isn’t JUST flashy, it’s actually the control mechanism that Thanos chose. The Gauntlet ISN’T like a lot of magical artifacts in fiction where you completely gain its power just by wearing it – we see that having that power enter you is painful and costly. You have to activate it. When Tony & Co reverse-engineered the guantlet, they probably chose the same movement as a way to keep things as predictable/similar as possible. ---
**Author:** ![borschevsky](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/97f17d/32.png) [@borschevsky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/borschevsky)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 4:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/535 "2019-05-06T16:46:13Z")
Some mentions in the [new Spider-Man trailer](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Nt9L1jCKGnE) seem to indicate that we may get some more details on the timeline stuff. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/536 "2019-05-06T17:01:18Z")
How many died when Tony snapped _his_ fingers? Was it just the bad guys on the battlefield, or was it whole races of bad guys? ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/537 "2019-05-06T17:01:58Z")
I’m still wondering how all the living got rid of the 2-6 pounds of dead bacteria in their immediate post-snap bodies. The smell of everyone’s BM’s must have been _incredible_. ---
**Author:** ![sachertorte](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sachertorte/32/3727_2.png) [@sachertorte](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sachertorte)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/538 "2019-05-06T17:15:05Z")
> [@typoink](#): > > When Tony & Co reverse-engineered the guantlet, they probably chose the same movement as a way to keep things as predictable/similar as possible. I thought it would have been funny if they chose something else, like the middle finger. Then when Thanos gets it, he tries to snap, but it doesn’t work. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/539 "2019-05-06T17:21:17Z")
> [@Quercus\_alba](#): > > I did notice that Cap was less careful about his “language” these days. I think that was intentional. It was a sign of how demoralized he had become. ---
**Author:** ![Yllaria](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/yllaria/32/3452_2.png) [@Yllaria](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Yllaria)\ **Post date:** [May 6, 2019, 5:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/540 "2019-05-06T17:47:41Z")
> [@JohnT](#): > > I’m still wondering how all the living got rid of the 2-6 pounds of dead bacteria in their immediate post-snap bodies. The smell of everyone’s BM’s must have been _incredible_. I’m guessing they dusted, leaving no bacteria bodies behind, just like everything else. But I like the way you follow consequences. Now I’m wondering if half of all viruses disappeared or if viruses didn’t count as life. Because comparing pre and post virus loads could have been done. I’m also wondering how many people, who would otherwise have died, ended up getting better after halving their bacterial load gave their immune systems a fighting chance. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=26) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=28)