# Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 24, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981 "2019-04-24T08:50:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 12:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/61 "2019-04-27T12:24:19Z")
I loved it, it was an excellent way to end the story arc. The few criticisms I have were already mentioned. I thought that there wasn’t enough Captain Marvel. From what we had already seen, she should have been able to wipe the floor with Thanos. I do have a few questions, one of which only came up after reading this thread. I don’t remember an all women scene with the gauntlet being carried to Ant Man’s van. I thought that Black Panther and Spiderman participated in that part as well. Did Cap travel back through time, essentially waiting the 70 years or so until he caught up with the timeline, or did he spend maybe 50 years or so in an alternate timeline and then time travel back the last 20 years or so? What happened to Gamora from the alternate timeline? Did she stay in the new timeline or disappear? ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 12:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/62 "2019-04-27T12:30:14Z")
> [@RikWriter](#): > > I thought it was in Norway. IMDB says it’s on the coast of Scotland. ---
**Author:** ![brossa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brossa/32/3040_2.png) [@brossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brossa)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 12:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/63 "2019-04-27T12:53:23Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > IMDB says it’s on the coast of Scotland. The place where it was filmed may have been Scotland, but the road sign as Hulk and Rocket drive into New Asgard says “Velkommen til Tønsberg”. Tønsberg is an actual city, purportedly the oldest in Norway. The real Tønsberg is bigger than the fishing village seen in the movie, though. ---
**Author:** ![Folacin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/folacin/32/3195_2.png) [@Folacin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Folacin)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 12:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/64 "2019-04-27T12:58:07Z")
> [@FlikTheBlue](#): > > What happened to Gamora from the alternate timeline? Did she stay in the new timeline or disappear? Unclear because not shown. Depends on how Tony did his snap/wish: if “dust everyone who came with Thanos”, she’s gone. If “dust all of Thanos’ allies”, she could be OK. But I wonder if they were dusted (which is of course what they showed) or somehow put back in their timeline? I realize all time travel is impossible to make consistent, but if that was the Thanos from the main MCU timeline, then he’s gone and unable to do the original snap and paradox. So I guess what this likely means is at least one timeline was saved from having Thanos snap away half of all life. ---
**Author:** ![brossa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brossa/32/3040_2.png) [@brossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brossa)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/65 "2019-04-27T12:59:13Z")
(missed edit window) The scenes were filmed in St. Abbs, Scotland. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 1:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/66 "2019-04-27T13:57:16Z")
> [@The\_Other\_Waldo\_Pepper](#): > > My headcanon — which I admit I can’t back up, except to say that AFAICT it fits, and that I can’t readily come up with anything else — is, well, remember Doc’s best trick from his own movie? You know, the bit where he said he’d come to bargain, and Dormammu killed him, and time looped back to Doc saying he’d come to bargain, and then an iffy Dormammu killed him again, and then time looped back around, and then a genuinely-freaked-out Dormammu asked for exposition before killing Doc over and over and over before giving up his plans to conquer Earth? Since it’s better to rule over his own realm than keep doing this until Doc’s willpower gives out, Dormammu’s willpower gave out first? > > But suppose that Thanos is _never_ going to give up; that, in every scanned future, his willpower is _unrelenting_. So suppose, too, that Doc had the ‘looping’ defense up in INFINITY WAR (because, well, why _wouldn’t_ he?), which would explain why Doc is so breezily confident that Ebony Maw won’t get the Stone off him (since Doc says Maw flatly can’t break the spell on it, and Maw says he can always just take the Stone off Doc’s dead body, and then that just sort of — doesn’t happen). But while Doc’s will maybe dwarfs Maw’s, there’s ultimately no chance of outlasting Thanos. > > That’s a lot of supposing, but plug it all in and see if it works. That’s basically what I figured. That Doctor Strange saw 14 million ways this could go (or whatever he said in Infinity War) and that Thanos wins in all but one, and in the won where he loses he gets the stones, does the snap, but then is defeated when Tony sacrifices himself. But obviously no one would like to hear that at the time in Infinity War, and also he knows if he tells Tony he has to sacrifice himself then it would mess things up. The nods Tony and Strange do at some point in the battle is so Strange can tell Tony that this is the winning timeline so far. I am very curious to see how things go in the MCU after this. The Spider-man movie will have to address it, since half of Peter’s old classmates will be now 5 years older than him, and there would have to be a lot of other repercussions out in the world. But the MCU only had the repercussions of aliens invading and demolishing a big chunk of New York affect movies to a certain extent, so I’ll be okay if they don’t go super deep into the results of the reversal of the snapture, they just need to address it to some extent. ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/67 "2019-04-27T14:40:40Z")
Peters surviving classmates will be long graduated by then. ---
**Author:** ![Czarcasm](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/czarcasm/32/4050_2.png) [@Czarcasm](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Czarcasm)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 2:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/68 "2019-04-27T14:53:38Z")
> [@Jonathan\_Chance](#): > > New Asgard is on the coast of Scotland? Dear Lord, we’re gonna cross Asgardians with Scots. What’s THAT going to bring? 12 year old single barrel Scotch mead. ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 2:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/69 "2019-04-27T14:59:10Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Marvel films are always best in rewatch. Ummm… yeah, because on a rewatch you catch things like: HULK EATING A PINT OF BEN & JERRY’S HULKA-HULKA BURNING FUDGE!!! I did go in wanting more Captain Marvel and can’t say I’m not a little disappointed that there wasn’t more of her but… seeing how the story of this film functions as a wrapping up of the overall story we’ve been watching the familiar characters arc through for years, I think that it was a better choice to have her gone for most of the movie and to allow the big hero moments to go to the characters we’re saying goodbye to. I do think her fights with Thanos were the worst kind of “variable powers depending on what the plot needs”. One thing I’ll pay attention to on my third viewing: Thanos’ use of his weapon in his fights with Carol. Thanos has that airplane propeller-looking weapon that he uses. This is, I believe, the first time we’ve seen it. He really didn’t need any other weapon in _Infinity War_ because at the start of the film he already has the Gauntlet AND the Power Stone (and very soon has the Space Stone as well). His airplane propeller weapon is clearly a very powerful weapon, perhaps even imbued with some comic book “space magic”. Even if it’s not a “magic” weapon, it is still a very powerful weapon that he is _extremely_ skilled at using. When I watch it again, I’ll pay more attention to how much trouble he’s giving Carol specifically through the use of his weapon. (Of course, if the weapon allows him to fend off Danvers then it _certainly_ should have allowed him to kill Cap and Tony and maybe Thor.) The final time Carol faces him, he doesn’t have the weapon. He _does_ have the Stark Gauntlet but she is preventing him from closing his fist or snapping. Without a weapon, he seems unable to overpower her. We even get that beautiful headbutt that doesn’t even mess Carol’s hair (and the look on her face is priceless!). Thanos has to remove the Power Stone from the Gauntlet and punch her with the Stone (which _should_ kill anyone but even _that_ only tosses her across the field leaving her temporarily concussed. On the topic of Tony “pick-pocketing” the stones… We’ve known the MCU Tony Stark for 11 years. This version of the character has been in 10 films. We the audience _know_ this guy. I really don’t think it even needs to count as a “fan wank” to suggest that since he _designed the new Gauntlet with his own tech_ that he would have had a safeguard allowing him to recall the stones from one piece of Stark tech to another piece of Stark tech. If they had included a line of dialog “And I’ve programmed the Stark Gauntlet to allow me to recall the stones as needed” it would have be a horribly clunky bit of forced foreshadowing. > [@MaxTheVool](#): > > Seems like a few of the c-listers (bucky or valkyrie or wasp or something) could have died to make it all feel more real and add stakes. Although the _idea_ of killing off a few c-listers isn’t a bad idea, I can’t get behind your list. Hope/Wasp very well may be my current favorite MCU character and she’s _barely_ had a chance to come into herself yet. I have been loving Paul Rudd as Ant-Man but the character doesn’t have the superhero gravitas to really go much further. Wasp is far more interesting because she actually understands the science of the tech she is using, is capable of making advancements, and (most interesting of all) hasn’t really shown much interest in being a “good guy” yet. In the first movie, she participates specifically in a plot to bring down a dangerous man who she and her father have reason to view as “a monster of our own making”. In the second film, she’s really only serving her own interests. There’s no greater good, she’s really not a hero. So, with as much as I _already_ love the character, I can’t wait to see her develop even further. Valkyrie _immediately_ became a major fan favorite. Her place at the end of _Endgame_ seems to me to indicate that the Studio doesn’t quite have an idea yet as to what to do with her next but they know that fans love her. When Thor left her on Earth it definitely felt to me like “Stick a pin in this one, we’ll come back to her later.” Maybe they’ll get distracted and end up letting the character fall by the wayside but, for now, I think they’re very aware of how much fans love her. Bucky is the one who I don’t really see having much of a future in the MCU. Killing him in battle, however, would have significantly hurt Cap’s happy ending. Characters who I think are known and loved enough to have an effective noble death scene but, commercially speaking, wouldn’t be wasted here would be: \*) M’Baku \*) Rhodey (but maybe too much of a toll on the “Iron Man Family” given the loss of Tony). \*) _For me personally_, I could say Scott Lang. Again, I have love Paul Rudd and the character of Scott so far but that would have just made his death that much more emotional. And, although I have loved his character _so far_, I just don’t think he has much to offer going forward. I would much rather see a solo Wasp movie than to continue on with Scott. \*) Wanda. Commercially speaking, I think she has _potential_ going forward but I just think the writers and higher-ups haven’t figured out yet who she is or what they want to do with her. We met her four years ago, have seen her in four films, and I still don’t feel much of a connection with her. ---
**Author:** ![RikWriter](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/49beb7/32.png) [@RikWriter](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RikWriter)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/70 "2019-04-27T15:03:39Z")
They weren’t going to kill off anyone else because it would have taken the focus off Tony’s death, thematically. ---
**Author:** ![BeepKillBeep](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/9e8a1a/32.png) [@BeepKillBeep](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BeepKillBeep)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 3:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/71 "2019-04-27T15:13:43Z")
I would give it a 3000 out of 10. It greatly exceeded my extremely high expectations. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/72 "2019-04-27T15:24:17Z")
I’d also point out from that list that Wanda and Bucky are also going to be in featured series on Disney+ when it comes out later this year. So those guys are staying. So far I think the announced ones are: WandaVision - which implies Vision’s coming back somehow Falcon and the Winter Soldier Loki What If? Hawkeye So there’ll be more chance to get to know them. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 3:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/73 "2019-04-27T15:29:01Z")
You know what the end battle "gauntlet relay race’ felt like to me? Like the closing number of an all-star benefit concert, when all the artists come onstage for one last massive jam session/singalong, with everyone stepping forward in turn to do a solo. “Let’s hear it for Spider-Man!” “Give it up for Black Panther!” “And now, the one, the only… Iron Man!” ---
**Author:** ![AK84](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/85e7bf/32.png) [@AK84](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AK84)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/74 "2019-04-27T15:31:15Z")
> [@Alessan](#): > > You know what the end battle "gauntlet relay race’ felt like to me? Like the closing number of an all-star benefit concert, when all the artists come onstage for one last massive jam session/singalong, with everyone stepping forward in turn to do a solo. > “Let’s hear it for Spider-Man!” > “Give it up for Black Panther!” > “And now, the one, the only… Iron Man!” That…is a very apt description. I agree, it was better they concentrated on the “old” Avengers. It was quite a salute to a decade of the MCU. ---
**Author:** ![Sam\_Lowry](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Sam\_Lowry](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sam_Lowry)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/75 "2019-04-27T15:34:44Z")
> [@AK84](#): > > Peters surviving classmates will be long graduated by then. Right, it would be super weird for Peter to go back to school in what feels like no time has passed, but presumably the world will be different in 2024, and to have half of his classmates gone, but the other half of his class being 17 year olds who survived the snap and have lived through five years of grief and survivor’s guilt. And half of his teachers would have a really hard time teaching at first, since they survived the snap and already mourned half of their students and now they are back like nothing happened. I’m not expecting Spider-man Far From Home or the rest of the Marvel movies to be like The Leftovers and everyone processing the crazy grief and confusion from these events, but I am curious how it is handled. ---
**Author:** ![Jonathan\_Chance](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jonathan_chance/32/701_2.png) [@Jonathan\_Chance](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jonathan_Chance)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/76 "2019-04-27T15:39:11Z")
Not to mention can you imagine the fundamentalists in the MCU? The snap happens. A big chunk think it’s the rapture and they got left behind. Chaos ensues. Five years later the survivors of the above see the people they’d thought brought to heaven suddenly come back? That’ll be a weird scene. There’s not way a significant chuck of the surviving world population doesn’t think God is working his mojo here. ---
**Author:** ![FlikTheBlue](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fliktheblue/32/10972_2.png) [@FlikTheBlue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlikTheBlue)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/77 "2019-04-27T17:15:16Z")
Here’s another interesting question regarding the timeline. With the whole 5 years later thing, does that mean that Infinity Wars happened in 2014 and Endgame in 2019, or is it 2019 and 2024? I assume it’s the former, but what does that do for the timelines of all the other films? ---
**Author:** ![iiandyiiii](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/iiandyiiii/32/7924_2.png) [@iiandyiiii](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iiandyiiii)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/78 "2019-04-27T17:28:07Z")
Where did Valkyrie get her pegasus? ---
**Author:** ![bienville](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/4bbf92/32.png) [@bienville](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bienville)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 6:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/79 "2019-04-27T18:30:34Z")
> [@iiandyiiii](#): > > Where did Valkyrie get her pegasus? All that was available was a horse and she said, “Well, I guess I’m just going to have to wing it.” ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 6:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/80 "2019-04-27T18:38:23Z")
> [@brossa](#): > > The place where it was filmed may have been Scotland, but the road sign as Hulk and Rocket drive into New Asgard says “Velkommen til Tønsberg”. Tønsberg is an actual city, purportedly the oldest in Norway. The real Tønsberg is bigger than the fishing village seen in the movie, though. IIRC, Tonsberg has “appeared” twice before in MCU films: - In Thor, it was the site of a battle between the Asgardians and the frost giants. - In Captain America:The First Avenger, it was where the Red Skull found the Tesseract. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=5)