# Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 24, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981 "2019-04-24T08:50:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/841 "2021-04-28T16:12:20Z")
That was Hela, not Thor. She did say “That’s not bad” about the Tesseract. ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/842 "2021-04-28T16:16:51Z")
Which was taken back to Asgard after the first Avengers movie. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/843 "2021-04-28T16:20:15Z")
which timeline ? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/844 "2021-04-28T16:28:00Z")
The timeline of the first Avengers movie. The ending of that movie would have been very different, what with the loss of the tesseract and Loki. But yeah, the multiverse does complicate things a bit. ---
**Author:** ![griffin1977](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/977dab/32.png) [@griffin1977](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/griffin1977)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/845 "2021-04-28T16:28:50Z")
It was good not great IMO (sums up pretty much the whole franchise IMO, its a well made entertaining set of adventure romps. but not some masterpiece) The final battle was super underwhelming for me. The reveal where everyone and their dog shows up was great but then they basically do nothing at all. I at least expected (esp after the heroine shot of all the female superheros) to see some of Thanos’ main henchmen to get a good stomping. But no just a bunch on nondescript nameless underlings getting blurrily dispatched none of which has any significance to the outcome. Just using up the VFX rendering budget before the main characters proceed to their showdown with Thanos. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 5:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/846 "2021-04-28T17:43:10Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Did the MCU ever establish the existence of uru? I _think_ when they forge Stormbreaker they mention it in that whole “heart of a star” schpiel. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 5:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/847 "2021-04-28T17:49:32Z")
[The MCU wiki entry on “Uru” backs this up.](https://marvelcinematicuniverse.fandom.com/wiki/Uru) ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/848 "2021-04-28T18:00:11Z")
> [@griffin1977](#): > > I at least expected (esp after the heroine shot of all the female superheros) to see some of Thanos’ main henchmen to get a good stomping. Cull Obsidian (the big henchman) quite literally was stomped on by Giant-Man. Considering we saw them all dispatched individually in Infinity War, I was fine with the rest of them just getting snapped away in the end. ---
**Author:** ![MaxTheVool](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MaxTheVool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MaxTheVool)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/849 "2021-04-28T18:44:13Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > Cull Obsidian (the big henchman) quite literally was stomped on by Giant-Man. Considering we saw them all dispatched individually in Infinity War, I was fine with the rest of them just getting snapped away in the end. I thought it was a bit of a letdown, particularly for the sorcery guy (Ebony Maw?). If I was rewriting that whole sequence, I would have replaced the incongruous girl-power-team-up scene with a scene where one of those henchpeople is fighting against one (or more) of the female heroes, makes a disparaging and sexist remark, and then the female hero kicks their ass, makes a clever comeback, and then we cut around the battlefield to see all of his henchpeople getting their asses kicked by female heroes at the same time (possibly followed up by an even wisecrackier wisecrack). Better resolution to henchpeople, and no need for “all the female heroes suddenly and simultaneously gather in one place at once for some reason”. ---
**Author:** ![AlsoNamedBort](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alsonamedbort/32/3213_2.png) [@AlsoNamedBort](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AlsoNamedBort)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 7:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/850 "2021-04-28T19:27:11Z")
I feel like the reaction to the “girl power” scene was way overblown. If it had been a bunch of the male superheros showing up to help out Spider-Man no one would’ve blinked. My only real issue with it was that Carol doesn’t really need any help, she a one woman wrecking crew. Might’ve been better if Wanda had been carrying the gauntlet, since she’s more of a glass cannon. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 7:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/851 "2021-04-28T19:58:43Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I feel like the reaction to the “girl power” scene was way overblown. If it had been a bunch of the male superheros showing up to help out Spider-Man no one would’ve blinked. Well, yeah, but that’s because if you selected ten superheroes from the MCU completely at random, you’ve got really good odds of only picking white guys. Marvel had been getting a ton of criticism over this, and while they had finally started correcting it with _Black Panther_ and _Captain Marvel_, the whole, “Look how much Marvel values female characters,” energy to the scene really fell flat. The fact that to pad out the scene they had to include characters like Mantis and Pepper Potts - neither of whom have any business on a battle field, given their previous characterizations - really drove it home. It just came across as Marvel giving themselves a pat on the back that they didn’t actually deserve. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 8:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/852 "2021-04-28T20:16:20Z")
> [@AlsoNamedBort](#): > > I feel like the reaction to the “girl power” scene was way overblown. If it had been a bunch of the male superheros showing up to help out Spider-Man no one would’ve blinked. My only real issue with it was that Carol doesn’t really need any help, she a one woman wrecking crew. Might’ve been better if Wanda had been carrying the gauntlet, since she’s more of a glass cannon. > [@Miller](#): > > Well, yeah, but that’s because if you selected ten superheroes from the MCU completely at random, you’ve got really good odds of only picking white guys. Marvel had bee n getting a ton of criticism over this, and while they had finally started correcting it with _Black Panther_ and _Captain Marvel_ , the whole, “Look how much Marvel values female characters,” energy to the scene really fell flat. The fact that to pad out the scene they had to include characters like Mantis and Pepper Potts - neither of whom have any business on a battle field, given their previous characterizations - really drove it home. That, and the fact that Captain Marvel is by far the most powerful character in the MCU, and her “back up” included characters like Okoye, who doesn’t even have powers. Valkyrie at least seemed to distract a leviathan, and Scarlet Witch, the only one anywhere near CM’s power level, did disable a leviathan, but the rest of them didn’t seem to do anything more than clear out random low level mooks. Which doesn’t seem like it should have made any difference at all considering that CM had just single-handedly demolished their _starships_. Some random infantry shouldn’t even have slowed her down. The whole thing really just seemed to me like a clumsy, “Look! We do _so_ have capable female characters!” ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 8:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/853 "2021-04-28T20:21:24Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The fact that to pad out the scene they had to include characters like Mantis and Pepper Potts - neither of whom have any business on a battle field, given their previous characterizations - really drove it home. Yeah. If it was a group of male superheroes then people probably wouldn’t have blinked. If it was eight or ten guys including Luis, Corpsman Dey and Parker’s buddy Ned, you’d probably be rightfully wondering what the hell was going on. Then it becomes painfully obvious that they’re scraping the C-Tier list for any possible woman characters for the sake of pandering. But I’ll agree that a lot of reaction to it was overblown. It was a bit eye-rolly but not cause for outrage. ---
**Author:** ![gdave](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gdave/32/3683_2.png) [@gdave](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gdave)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/854 "2021-04-28T20:24:19Z")
> [@Jophiel](#): > > But I’ll agree that a lot of reaction to it was overblown. It was a bit eye-rolly but not cause for outrage. Was there actual outrage? I guess, this being the internet, that shouldn’t surprise me. 🙄 ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/855 "2021-04-28T20:25:32Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > The fact that to pad out the scene they had to include characters like Mantis and Pepper Potts - neither of whom have any business on a battle field, given their previous characterizations That being said, Pepper’s had five years to learn how to use an Iron Man suit, and given that she has a kid with a guy who’s life is routinely threatened by people holding a grudge over something his dad did during the Cold War, I can definitely see her insisting on getting her own suit to help protect her daughter. I’d be up for seeing this idea explored in future Marvel properties, but it was jarring to see her show up in the middle of the fight like that, with no groundwork for why she’s suddenly showing up in a warzone. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/856 "2021-04-28T20:26:43Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Was there actual outrage? I don’t think there was here but, yeah, internet. I saw more than one guy ever-so-nobly explaining how ack-tually this was holding back women’s rights and if we _reeeeally_ want women to be equal we shouldn’t be putting a team of them together based solely on their vaginas and yadda yadda blah blah blah… ---
**Author:** ![k9bfriender](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/k9bfriender/32/3283_2.png) [@k9bfriender](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/k9bfriender)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 8:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/857 "2021-04-28T20:32:32Z")
> [@gdave](#): > > Was there actual outrage? I guess, this being the internet, that shouldn’t surprise me. 🙄 I have an acquaintance who, anytime the movie comes up, can’t help but bring up that scene. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/858 "2021-04-28T20:36:05Z")
Basically, the same people who complain when anything geeky doesn’t cater specifically and solely to white neckbeards. ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 8:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/859 "2021-04-28T20:56:20Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > neither of whom have any business on a battle field, given their previous characterizations Did you miss _Iron Man 3_ ? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2021, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/860 "2021-04-28T21:07:08Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > Did you miss _Iron Man 3_ ? I only saw it the one time, back when it was in theaters - I remember Tony putting Pepper into a suit, but I thought the suit was on autopilot, and Pepper was basically a passenger. Am I misremembering the scene? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=44)