# Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 24, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981 "2019-04-24T08:50:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 8
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/141 "2019-04-28T16:32:39Z")
storyteller0910: > [@](#): > > Somebody talk me down. Do you remember that when Cap went back to 1970 and was in Peggy’s office, he saw a picture of himself on Peggy’s desk? He realized then that Peggy had lived/was living a life with him in the past - so he fulfilled that past when he refused to return via Pym particles at the end. Have tons to say on the movie and on the thread, but aside from responding to this point, I’ll wait until tomorrow, will have more time for computer-based leisure. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/142 "2019-04-28T16:45:30Z")
> [@carlb](#): > > Got a little misty-eyed when Tony gave Peter the big hug. _sniff_ So glad they included this moment. I rolled my eyes when it was announced Tony Stark would be in the new Spider-man movie, but it was great and it makes a ton of sense for him to attach to this smart kid. > [@carlb](#): > > Forgot about my other favorite line. “Hail, Hydra.” Love when the characters are clever in addition to being badasses. And great editing. My wife and I laughed when Steve knows about Hydra, and loved that it just cut to him walking away with the case(or whatever) because…I mean…he can’t know about Hydra without being legit, right? > [@cmkeller](#): > > storyteller0910: > > Do you remember that when Cap went back to 1970 and was in Peggy’s office, he saw a picture of himself on Peggy’s desk? He realized then that Peggy had lived/was living a life with him in the past - so he fulfilled that past when he refused to return via Pym particles at the end. > > Have tons to say on the movie and on the thread, but aside from responding to this point, I’ll wait until tomorrow, will have more time for computer-based leisure. Ah, is that what happened? Captain America knew he went to the past already? I missed that. ---
**Author:** ![Southern\_Yankee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/southern_yankee/32/2800_2.png) [@Southern\_Yankee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Southern_Yankee)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/143 "2019-04-28T16:53:35Z")
What do you suppose happens to the Red Skull when someone successfully claims the Soul stone? ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/144 "2019-04-28T17:03:17Z")
> [@cmkeller](#): > > Do you remember that when Cap went back to 1970 and was in Peggy’s office, he saw a picture of himself on Peggy’s desk? He realized then that Peggy had lived/was living a life with him in the past - so he fulfilled that past when he refused to return via Pym particles at the end. I don’t think that’s correct. It was a pic of skinny Steve, from before he got the serum. They weren’t already together in that timeline; the picture was just showing that Peggy was still carrying a torch for Steve decades after he’d died. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/145 "2019-04-28T17:07:57Z")
> [@Southern\_Yankee](#): > > What do you suppose happens to the Red Skull when someone successfully claims the Soul stone? They’ve announced that they’re finally doing a Black Widow movie. Given what happens in Endgame, it seems likely that it’s going to be set in the past, but a movie where the Red Skull engineers a way to escape from Soul Stone duty, and Nat somehow hitches a ride back to the world of the living to stop him, would be pretty epic. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 5:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/146 "2019-04-28T17:40:30Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t think that’s correct. It was a pic of skinny Steve, from before he got the serum. They weren’t already together in that timeline; the picture was just showing that Peggy was still carrying a torch for Steve decades after he’d died. Yup, it’s a picture of skinny Steve from the training program at Fort Lehigh. ---
**Author:** ![Equipoise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/equipoise/32/151_2.png) [@Equipoise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Equipoise)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/147 "2019-04-28T18:02:41Z")
> [@muldoonthief](#): > > It may indeed be “nothing else”, but that’s the exact point in previous MCU movies where they put up the simple graphic “Iron Man/The Avengers/Captain America/etc. will return.” Heck, it’s where they put “Thanos will return” at the end of Infinity War. So maybe a bit of foreshadowing that Iron Man (in some incarnation) will return? Harley Keener, the kid from Iron Man 3, was at the funeral. Why would they have him there among all those recognizable faces unless he was going to become Important down the line? I feel we’ll see him again ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/148 "2019-04-28T18:09:22Z")
Perhaps. I’m willing to accept that he might attend the funeral just as a friend. ---
**Author:** ![Ike\_Witt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ike_witt/32/283_2.png) [@Ike\_Witt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ike_Witt)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 6:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/149 "2019-04-28T18:21:38Z")
When I first started thinking about how this movie was going to play out, after Infinity War, one of the things I had wanted was a ‘movie ending’ for Captain America. I wanted him to find a way to be happy with Peggy after saving everyone. That is what I got, almost how I pictured it, with them dancing. A perfect ending to his arc. It is probably going to take a couple of days for me to digest the rest of the movie. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/150 "2019-04-28T18:27:50Z")
> [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Perhaps. I’m willing to accept that he might attend the funeral just as a friend. I assume they all knew about him to reach out to him? I don’t remember Iron Man 3 too well, though I did like it a lot. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/151 "2019-04-28T18:31:11Z")
Perhaps someone reached out to him or perhaps he just heard about Tony Stark’s death in the newspapers or on TV? Tony Stark was a well-known business owner, and also the events in the movie were, I assume, widely reported. ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 6:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/152 "2019-04-28T18:32:00Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I assume they all knew about him to reach out to him? I don’t remember Iron Man 3 too well, though I did like it a lot. If Tony knew him, Pepper knew him. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 6:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/153 "2019-04-28T18:33:23Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > I don’t think that’s correct. It was a pic of skinny Steve, from before he got the serum. They weren’t already together in that timeline; the picture was just showing that Peggy was still carrying a torch for Steve decades after he’d died. Yes, it’s the exact same picture takes out of Captain’s file at the end of the first CA movie, when they’re closing down the England SSR facility. ETA: And remember near the beginning of Winter Soldier, when Steve is talking to aged Peggy, who has had children (as seen in the photos by her bed) but whose husband is apparently already dead. So Steve married to Peggy in the 50s is definitely not part of the Endgame reality. ---
**Author:** ![cmkeller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cmkeller/32/118_2.png) [@cmkeller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cmkeller)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/154 "2019-04-28T18:51:48Z")
muldoonthief: > [@](#): > > And remember near the beginning of Winter Soldier, when Steve is talking to aged Peggy, who has had children (as seen in the photos by her bed) but whose husband is apparently already dead. So Steve married to Peggy in the 50s is definitely not part of the Endgame reality. I figured that Steve knew he had to somehow fake his own death before the point in time that he gets thawed. He knows he can’t change the past. (Even though I’m apparently wrong about the picture.) ---
**Author:** ![bucketybuck](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@bucketybuck](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bucketybuck)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 8:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/155 "2019-04-28T20:48:49Z")
My problem with the girl power scene isn’t the gratuitousness or the pandering, because lets face it, the whole movie was pandering to a large extent. My problem was that Captain Marvell can fly through massive spaceships like they are wet paper, so why exactly would she have a problem just flying through a few hundred bad guys? She could fly through them, she could fly over them, she could do whatever she damn well pleased and none of the faceless mooks could do a damn thing about it. So everybody in the girl power lineup was basically irrelevant, which probably wasn’t the message they were really going for. ---
**Author:** ![brossa](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/brossa/32/3040_2.png) [@brossa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/brossa)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/156 "2019-04-28T21:42:28Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > My problem with the girl power scene isn’t the gratuitousness or the pandering, because lets face it, the whole movie was pandering to a large extent. > > My problem was that Captain Marvell can fly through massive spaceships like they are wet paper, so why exactly would she have a problem just flying through a few hundred bad guys? She could fly through them, she could fly over them, she could do whatever she damn well pleased and none of the faceless mooks could do a damn thing about it. > > So everybody in the girl power lineup was basically irrelevant, which probably wasn’t the message they were really going for. She did just fly through them; it was only Thanos wrecking the portal that stopped her. But Peter Parker didn’t know that she would be able to do that, hence his doubtful comment. Probably none of the other returned snappees knew it either. Yes, the girl lineup was gratuitous in the sense that Marvel didn’t need their help, but they were still relevant for the other things that they did on the battlefield. Plus, I believe that Shuri, Rescue, and (? someone else?) did combine to knock Thanos down as he was winding up to swat Marvel on her dash. Marvel didn’t need Tony or Cap’s help to carry the gauntlet, either, but they aren’t irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![kenobi\_65](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kenobi_65/32/13178_2.png) [@kenobi\_65](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kenobi_65)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 9:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/157 "2019-04-28T21:44:32Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > I assume they all knew about him to reach out to him? I don’t remember Iron Man 3 too well, though I did like it a lot. I would guess that Pepper or Happy, at least, knew how to reach him. I might also guess that Tony left instructions in his will that the young man should be invited to the funeral. ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/158 "2019-04-28T22:33:46Z")
> [@bucketybuck](#): > > My problem with the girl power scene isn’t the gratuitousness or the pandering, because lets face it, the whole movie was pandering to a large extent. > > My problem was that Captain Marvell can fly through massive spaceships like they are wet paper, so why exactly would she have a problem just flying through a few hundred bad guys? She could fly through them, she could fly over them, she could do whatever she damn well pleased and none of the faceless mooks could do a damn thing about it. > > So everybody in the girl power lineup was basically irrelevant, which probably wasn’t the message they were really going for. …my problem with the scene where Captain America said “Avengers…assemble” was that he said it so quietly that nobody heard him. Who did he say that too? Why didn’t he say it a bit louder? Why was he asking the Avengers to “assemble”, when they had already assembled? And most of the people he was addressing weren’t even Avengers. The line was basically irrelevant, and probably wasn’t the message they were really going for. ---
**Author:** ![Jack\_Batty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jack_batty/32/3201_2.png) [@Jack\_Batty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jack_Batty)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 10:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/159 "2019-04-28T22:46:14Z")
Wow. I think you’re leaning way too hard into that criticism. Cap said it for us, the audience, and we heard him loud and clear. And he said it because that’s the Avengers’ big, up-front, copyrighted, logo’d tag-line. What did you want him to say, “Charge!”? ---
**Author:** ![Banquet\_Bear](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/banquet_bear/32/373_2.png) [@Banquet\_Bear](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Banquet_Bear)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 10:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/160 "2019-04-28T22:51:48Z")
> [@Jack\_Batty](#): > > Wow. I think you’re leaning way too hard into that criticism. > > Cap said it for us, the audience, and we heard him loud and clear. And he said it because that’s the Avengers’ big, up-front, copyrighted, logo’d tag-line. What did you want him to say, “Charge!”? …Wow. I think you are leaning way too hard into my sarcastic critique and ignoring the context of the post I was replying too. The “girl power” scene was a message to a segment of the Marvel fandom that had been ignored for the last 22 movies and 11 years. That segment heard it loud and clear. Thanks for making my point for me. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=7) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=9)