# Avengers: Endgame SEEN IT thread - SPOILERS AHOY! **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Tags:** movies, disney-hulu\ **Created:** [April 24, 2019, 8:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981 "2019-04-24T08:50:20Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 9
**Author:** ![lawoot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/35a633/32.png) [@lawoot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lawoot)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 11:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/161 "2019-04-28T23:05:51Z")
Subtext I took for the “Avengers… assemble!” line: “Today, we are ALL Avengers!” ---
**Author:** ![Morgyn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/morgyn/32/3041_2.png) [@Morgyn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Morgyn)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/162 "2019-04-28T23:23:20Z")
Has there ever been an explanation of why it’s necessary for the person wearing the gauntlet to snap their fingers in order to get their wish/command enacted? Seems to me like all you’d have to do is think at them hard enough. And if the snap is necessary, who figured it out, and how? And what would a species without fingers do if they had managed to get the stones together in an appropriate-to-their-physiology article? ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/163 "2019-04-28T23:40:24Z")
My thoughts during the Ladies of Marvel Assemble sequence were: “Is this going to be…” “Yeah, it sure is. That’s a little on the nose” “Well, I suppose if it was five dudes, I wouldn’t even think twice about it” “Maybe that’s the lesson from th—” “Haha, Mantis ain’t doing shit” I’m pretty sure Mantis just had her one line at the end so she could collect union scale for showing up. ---
**Author:** ![simster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/simster/32/1047_2.png) [@simster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/simster)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/164 "2019-04-29T00:07:32Z")
> [@kenobi\_65](#): > > I would guess that Pepper or Happy, at least, knew how to reach him. I might also guess that Tony left instructions in his will that the young man should be invited to the funeral. Fairly certain (in my mind anyway) that he would be IM 2.0 ---
**Author:** ![Mosier](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/7ea924/32.png) [@Mosier](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mosier)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/165 "2019-04-29T00:18:37Z")
I had an argument with a friend of mine earlier this week. We both agreed that Infinity War is among the best MCU movies so far, but I was very concerned that they were going to squander that magic in Endgame. My exact argument was, “If they go back in time in order to find a way to punch the problem until it goes away, then it cheapens everything that happened in Infinity War and retroactively makes that movie worse.” He assured me that wasn’t going to happen, and that I was just being dramatic. I really wish I was wrong. What a disappointment this movie was. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/166 "2019-04-29T00:28:44Z")
The time travel plot didn’t bother me. For one, I think everyone knew that time travel would be involved. More importantly, I thought it was interesting that they brought back the dead without just rewinding the fight and defeating Thanos in Africa. ---
**Author:** ![Dewey\_Finn](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dewey_finn/32/4222_2.png) [@Dewey\_Finn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dewey_Finn)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/167 "2019-04-29T00:29:02Z")
Well, I don’t agree that it was a disappointment. And given the scenario at the beginning of the film (Thanos is dead and the stones are gone), no resolution appeared possible _without_ some sort of time-travel magic. By the way, the beginning of the film, with the trauma of the loss shown in the abandoned houses in San Francisco that Scott Lang passed and the support group that Steve Rogers was leading, reminded me of the HBO series The Leftovers, in which two percent of the world’s population disappeared instantly and without explanation. In both stories, the remaining populace is traumatized by the loss. (Although obviously in this case the loss is far greater.) ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/168 "2019-04-29T00:29:35Z")
Okay, I see a huuuuuge gaping plot hole in the resolution of this movie. Half the Earth’s population has been gone for five years. They make a point of showing just how run-down and dilapidated the world has become. You’ve gotta imagine, at least half the world’s infrastructure – roads, power plants, water services, farms, etc. – have been shut down or have fallen into disuse, or at the very least have been mothballed. Then, suddenly, with a snap of Bruce Banner’s fingers, everybody who had been gone is instantly brought back. They’re not brought back at the point in the past where they were taken away, they’re brought back in the present, five years after they left. And we’re shown a world where _everything is back to normal_ the very next day. Guys? At least half the world’s infrastructure has been _shut down_. There won’t be enough of _anything_ essential for all of these people! The half-sized power grid won’t handle that sudden surge in demand, the water distribution networks will be taxed to their limits, and neither the farms nor the grocery stores would be able to feed all of them. And there’s no way all of that mothballed infrastructure could be brought back up-and-running without weeks, months, or even _years_ of work. The world would be gripped by **the very starvation that Thanos wanted to eliminate by removing half the population in the first place!** ---
**Author:** ![galen\_ubal](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/galen_ubal/32/4440_2.png) [@galen\_ubal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/galen_ubal)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/169 "2019-04-29T00:31:34Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > They’ve announced that they’re finally doing a Black Widow movie. Given what happens in Endgame, it seems likely that it’s going to be set in the past, but a movie where the Red Skull engineers a way to escape from Soul Stone duty, and Nat somehow hitches a ride back to the world of the living to stop him, would be pretty epic. I’m kinda wondering - a sacrifice is required to acquire the Soul stone…but what happens when someone does the reverse? Gives up the Soul stone? Does that, maybe, require a straight swap back? The Soul stone does seem kinda Lawful… It’s certainly an explanation I could bite off, if Natasha returns in present day. That said, I’d like to see the prequel treatment - maybe we’d find out what happened in Budapest! ---
**Author:** ![squeegee](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/squeegee/32/14537_2.png) [@squeegee](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/squeegee)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/170 "2019-04-29T00:34:16Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > Okay, I see a huuuuuge gaping plot hole in the resolution of this movie. > > Half the Earth’s population has been gone for five years. They make a point of showing just how run-down and dilapidated the world has become. You’ve gotta imagine, at least half the world’s infrastructure – roads, power plants, water services, farms, etc. – have been shut down or have fallen into disuse, or at the very least have been mothballed. > > Then, suddenly, with a snap of Bruce Banner’s fingers, everybody who had been gone is instantly brought back. They’re not brought back at the point in the past where they were taken away, they’re brought back in the present, five years after they left. > > And we’re shown a world where _everything is back to normal_ the very next day. > > Guys? At least half the world’s infrastructure has been _shut down_. There won’t be enough of _anything_ essential for all of these people! The half-sized power grid won’t handle that sudden surge in demand, the water distribution networks will be taxed to their limits, and neither the farms nor the grocery stores would be able to feed all of them. And there’s no way all of that mothballed infrastructure could be brought back up-and-running without weeks, months, or even _years_ of work. The world would be gripped by **the very starvation that Thanos wanted to eliminate by removing half the population in the first place!** Post #[8](https://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=21608306&postcount=8). ---
**Author:** ![HowSoonIsThen](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/e56c9b/32.png) [@HowSoonIsThen](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/HowSoonIsThen)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/171 "2019-04-29T00:41:36Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > The world would be gripped by **the very starvation that Thanos wanted to eliminate by removing half the population in the first place!** Unless half the population starves, Thanos wins. ---
**Author:** ![Jophiel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/jophiel/32/66_2.png) [@Jophiel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jophiel)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/172 "2019-04-29T00:42:21Z")
In regards to famine, Thanos snapped away half of “all living things” which includes stalks of corn and cows and chickens so maybe Stark’s counter-snap had us swimming in restored grain and pork. Seriously though, if I had to accept the lack of catastrophic collapse after the snap, I can brush this off. ---
**Author:** ![alphaboi867](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alphaboi867/32/3898_2.png) [@alphaboi867](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/alphaboi867)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/173 "2019-04-29T00:53:42Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > …But let’s talk about the true shocking development in the movie: no end credits scene! When the movie just … stopped and the lights went all the way up in the theater where I watched it, everyone was stunned at first and then burst out laughing. In retrospect it makes sense that there wouldn’t be a stinger, but I was really annoyed after sitting thru the entire credits. > [@TaoPilot](#): > > Isn’t Far From Home supposed to be set right after Endgame? How will that work? Actually, didn’t Peter return to high school at the end of the movie and see Ned there? > > Maybe FFH is set before Infinity War and Endgame after all. Wouldn’t be the first time filmmakers have lied to keep a secret. It’s either a prequel, or the parents of all Peter’s friends decided to let their children go off to Europe by themselves after mourning their deaths for 5 years. > [@AK84](#): > > I wonder if the question of the identity of Peggy’s husband is now solved. The MCU has avoided answering that question. So if it was Thawed!Cap, then that makes sense. > > ETA : Sad that the star of _Avengers_ and our distinguished poster, **Elendil’s Heir** did not return. Pretty much everyone else did! 😃 I’m really not a fan of the idea of Steve & Peggy being secretly married for decades. > [@RikWriter](#): > > I thought it was in Norway. Me too. It must be really weird for Scandinavians to coexist with Asgardians. > [@Sam\_Lowry](#): > > …I’m not expecting Spider-man Far From Home or the rest of the Marvel movies to be like The Leftovers and everyone processing the crazy grief and confusion from these events, but I am curious how it is handled. I’m guessing if it’s address at all it’ll be along the lines of the mass amnesia in the **War of the Worlds** TV series, where world governments remember, but the general public repressed all memory of the Martian invasion in the 50s because it was so traumatic. :dubious: > [@Dewey\_Finn](#): > > Was I the only one who thought the ending would involve a reset back five years prior, and that would mean that Tony Stark’s daughter would no longer exist? I was thinking that would happen, but we’d find out that Pepper Potts is pregnant. > [@digs](#): > > The only seat left in town was in a brewpub/theater\*. They had a huge amount of staff to run beer and food to your seat, and our head server said “If you need a bathroom break, watch for the Hulk carrying tacos. That’s halfway through, and you’ll have at least five minutes there.”… Movies of this length is were actual intermissions would come in really handy. ---
**Author:** ![Snarky\_Kong](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a183cd/32.png) [@Snarky\_Kong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snarky_Kong)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/174 "2019-04-29T00:56:18Z")
Were you thinking all those people would remain dead or that there would be an alternative solution, say Rick and Mortyesque move to another universe in the multiverse? ---
**Author:** ![Fair\_Rarity](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fair_rarity/32/153_2.png) [@Fair\_Rarity](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fair_Rarity)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 12:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/175 "2019-04-29T00:58:30Z")
Why does only Tony get a big hero funeral? Or at least one during the movie? It felt a little crappy towards Natasha for sacrificing herself and everyone (besides Hulk) is like, “Huh, that’s said. But Tony, man. That’s a tragedy.” ---
**Author:** ![Toxgoddess](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Toxgoddess](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Toxgoddess)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 1:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/176 "2019-04-29T01:07:02Z")
> [@shantih](#): > > Going after Thanos and taking brutal revenge on him right at the start, and then giving the surviving characters 5 years to let the consequences of his beating them settle in before Scott Lang provided the kick to giving them hope again was not how I thought they were going to handle it. . Really, the unsung hero of the whole thing was…the rat crawling over the console in the van that accidentally released Scott from the Quantum Realm. Without that, the remaining Avengers would have sunk further into their respective declines or seclusion and no further action would have beentaken. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 1:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/177 "2019-04-29T01:09:05Z")
Minor nitpick: When Tony Stark died, why did the arc reactor in his chest suddenly go dark? It’s a power source. It should still be glowing regardless. (Yes, I know the correct answer is “Because that’s an easy way to tell the audience that Tony kicked the bucket,” but a good cinematographer could make it clear that he died WITH the arc reactor still going, dog gone it!) ---
**Author:** ![icon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c6cbf5/32.png) [@icon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/icon)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/178 "2019-04-29T01:21:30Z")
> [@Fair\_Rarity](#): > > Why does only Tony get a big hero funeral? Or at least one during the movie? It felt a little crappy towards Natasha for sacrificing herself and everyone (besides Hulk) is like, “Huh, that’s said. But Tony, man. That’s a tragedy.” There is no question that this was of course because that is the character that started the franchise and also the one seen as the leader of the Avengers; however, we do not know that there was not a Natasaha big hero funeral, just that we do not see it on screen. One thing that I thought they did well in the film was that they kept all the characters true to who they had been developed in the previous films. Each group that went back to the past acted as they would have in that situation, rather than all becoming uniform in how they dealt with their mission. The characters that were more serious, continued to be so, and the ones more likely to make quips did the same. It made the film feel much more of continuation of all that came before it rather than just a thrown together event. //i\ ---
**Author:** ![Sunny\_Daze](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sunny_daze/32/438_2.png) [@Sunny\_Daze](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sunny_Daze)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 1:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/179 "2019-04-29T01:38:47Z")
We liked the scene where everyone took turns carrying the gauntlet. It reminded us of the Play. 😃 > [@](#): > > Stanford took a 20–19 lead on a field goal with four seconds left. The Golden Bears used five lateral passes on the ensuing kickoff return to score the winning touchdown and earn a 25–20 victory. Members of the Stanford Band came onto the field midway through the return, believing that the game was over, which added to the confusion and folklore. There remains disagreement over the legality of two of the backward pass attempts,[1][2] adding to the passion surrounding the traditional rivalry of the annual “Big Game.” [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/mfebpLfAt8g/hqdefault.jpg "Cal Bears Football 82: The Play") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mfebpLfAt8g) ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [April 29, 2019, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981/180 "2019-04-29T02:10:05Z")
> [@tracer](#): > > Minor nitpick: > > When Tony Stark died, why did the arc reactor in his chest suddenly go dark? It’s a power source. It should still be glowing regardless. > > (Yes, I know the correct answer is “Because that’s an easy way to tell the audience that Tony kicked the bucket,” but a good cinematographer could make it clear that he died WITH the arc reactor still going, dog gone it!) Tony’s always been paranoid about Iron Man tech falling into the wrong hands. So he built a kill-switch into it, so nobody can kill him and steal it out of his corpse. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=8) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avengers-endgame-seen-it-thread-spoilers-ahoy/832981.md?page=10)