# Average Joe - 11/10 **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [November 11, 2003, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553 "2003-11-11T05:11:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 19\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![riserius1](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7ab992/32.png) [@riserius1](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/riserius1)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/1 "2003-11-11T05:11:11Z")
Well, I certainly thought Dennis was going to last longer; I think maybe he played the “I’m a virgin” card a bit too soon. I am surprised she’s keeping Zach; if he winds up winning it certainly would make her seem a liar as far as beauty is only skin deep" or whatever she said earlier. IMHO, speaking as a straight amle, I don’t think Zach is all that good looking(although my wife agrees with me). Anybody have any thoughts on what the “Big Twist” is going to be? Chris W ---
**Author:** ![BraheSilver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/ecccb3/32.png) [@BraheSilver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BraheSilver)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 5:16am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/2 "2003-11-11T05:16:20Z")
I think the “big twist” will be to introduce a studly male model in the competition. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/3 "2003-11-11T06:43:19Z")
I’m begining to think the real twist to this show is that these guys are all actors, and the joke is on us, the audience. Can they really be that dorky? ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 7:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/4 "2003-11-11T07:36:42Z")
**John Mace:** You mean, you think this series is really _Average Joe Schmoe_ ? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 1:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/5 "2003-11-11T13:12:01Z")
Another vote that Zach’s not that good-looking – perhaps compared to the others, but he’s well this side of stud-muffinhood. Too bad about Dennis – but better now than letting him think he had a shot. I’m guessing all kinds of women will be contacting him now that they’ve seen him on the show – he’s a sweetie-pie. Glad to see the demise of Marc – what a slimy little toad he is. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/6 "2003-11-11T15:19:11Z")
Which one was Marc, again? Was he the last fat guy who got onto the bus and bemoaned the fact that she voted off everyone who weighed more than 200 pounds? (Basically saying, “Like heck she thinks personality is more important than looks!”) ---
**Author:** ![KidCharlemagne](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ed8c4c/32.png) [@KidCharlemagne](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/KidCharlemagne)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/7 "2003-11-11T15:27:57Z")
This was just painful to watch. Between that guy Marc’s frightening capacity for self-delusion (She’s going out with him because she likes me), to John’s whininess I began to really understand why them call these guys geeks. I’m with you all that Zach isn’t good looking and Malena lost big points for smooching with him. Big points. I don’t see why she got rid of Dennis - he was a harmless mascot (unfortunately) and added a lot to the spirit of the group. She could have gotten rid of that tall guy with the curly hair and weird mouth (like they all don’t have that). Does Dennis remind anyone else of Michael Carradine’s character in Revenge of the Nerds? ---
**Author:** ![Wicked\_Blue](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/2acd7d/32.png) [@Wicked\_Blue](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Wicked_Blue)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/8 "2003-11-11T15:28:25Z")
I don’t think Zach is all that attractive either. He kind of looks like a mutated version of Chris Klein. ---
**Author:** ![Indygrrl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@Indygrrl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Indygrrl)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/9 "2003-11-11T15:32:28Z")
Zach looks and acts like an immature fratboy. I think he and Melana are perfect for each other. ---
**Author:** ![MovieMogul](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f08c70/32.png) [@MovieMogul](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MovieMogul)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 3:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/10 "2003-11-11T15:53:43Z")
Mrs. AG was _extremely_ upset at what transpired last night on the show–even threatened to call in sick today as a result (though she was probably just fishing for excuses). She was most upset that a good half of the remaining guys are your classic frat-boy alpha-pack, with Zach as the head male, Jimmy as JFK Jr., and Adam as the OK guy guilty by association as a tag-along. Then we have Mr. Desperation (“One Kiss! WOOHOO! I can die happy now!”), Mr. Delusional (whose inclusion only feeds the delusion), and the one normal, if majorly overly-polite guy, Indian Braniac. Worst oversight, I thought (besides Dennis McWonderful), was Costanza-Man (Joe?). I can’t blame her for throwing out the ones she wasn’t attracted to, but the other big guys always seemed sweaty or slovenly, while Costanza-Man was funny and personable. Oh well. I have to say, though, that the toothbrush prank, while incredibly childish, was also really really funny. Couldn’t have happened to a nicer guy. ---
**Author:** ![jeevmon](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/87869e/32.png) [@jeevmon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jeevmon)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 5:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/11 "2003-11-11T17:14:23Z")
The Indian guy is still in the game? Rock ON! ---
**Author:** ![Kyann22](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/a4c791/32.png) [@Kyann22](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyann22)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 5:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/12 "2003-11-11T17:37:00Z")
I thought there was supposed to a twist LAST night. I’m getting tired of reality show and the “twist”. Why must they all have one?? I will agree that Zach isn’t good looking, but compared to the rest of the lot, he’s a 10. I am cheering for the Indian guy. “Do you like broccoli?” has become a favor saying in our house now and it makes me laugh. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 6:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/13 "2003-11-11T18:35:39Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by tracer \* > \*\ ***John Mace:** You mean, you think this series is really _Average Joe Schmoe_ ? \*\* That’s a good one! I’m actually serious, though. I think there is a possibility this is a big sham. Actually, I hope for the sake of these losers that they’re acting. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/14 "2003-11-11T18:39:53Z")
Kyann: If you listened to the “fine print” they said something like the “events were **leading** to a twist”. When I heard this, I thought “Tricky. People will think the twist is tonight, but it obviously isn’t.” ---
**Author:** ![jebert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ec9cab/32.png) [@jebert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jebert)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/15 "2003-11-11T18:51:07Z")
They could keep the “twist” dangling out there for another week or so. When they finally reveal it, I predict it will be an attractive model type or even an old boyfriend. ---
**Author:** ![Winston\_Smith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/e95f7d/32.png) [@Winston\_Smith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winston_Smith)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/16 "2003-11-11T19:33:22Z")
Maybe they get the guy from _Revenge of the Nerds_ to come in and kick some nerd ass. ---
**Author:** ![Greywolf73](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/d9b06d/32.png) [@Greywolf73](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Greywolf73)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 10:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/17 "2003-11-11T22:16:00Z")
I also bet the big twist is a good-looking guy joining the game–my prediction is that it will be the hottie that got out of the limo and greeted Melana when she first arrived. The one that she asked, “Are you staying?” (the Joe Millionaire look-alike). Or maybe…they’ll introduce another woman into the mix just to give Melana some competition. Probably not going to happen but it sure would be interesting. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 10:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/18 "2003-11-11T22:30:11Z")
How about this for the twist: They get the guys from “Queer Eye…” to come in and spruce up the remaining contenders. Not realistic, but I like the idea. Is A&E a NBC affiliate (if not, then definitely not the twist)? ---
**Author:** ![twickster](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ec9cab/32.png) [@twickster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/twickster)\ **Post date:** [November 11, 2003, 10:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-joe-11-10/212553/19 "2003-11-11T22:42:36Z")
Oooh, good one **John Mace** – they are affiliated networks, so it could happen. And **Kid Charlemagne** – thanks for putting your finger on who he’d been reminding me of.