# Average women from 41 different countries **URL:** \ **Category:** Miscellaneous and Personal Stuff I Must Share\ **Created:** [February 25, 2011, 6:09am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549 "2011-02-25T06:09:59Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hypnagogic_jerk/32/4252_2.png) [@Hypnagogic\_Jerk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hypnagogic_Jerk)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/81 "2011-02-26T16:57:27Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > You never hear someone say they can look at a white person and tell if they’re French, German, Finnish, British, Irish, etc. I don’t think it’s possible to do it with 100% certainty, but it’s certainly possible to do it with odds that are better than what we’d expect from chance. There definitely is a difference between a “French” face and an “English” face, for example, although I don’t believe I could personally describe it. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/82 "2011-02-26T17:09:06Z")
I don’t see why people are so resistant to the idea that there might be a distinctive French or German or Japanese or Korean “look”. Most people in a country are probably going to marry and have children with somebody else in that same country - it seems reasonable that there is going to be a bunch of “national” genes floating around. This isn’t saying that every Lithuanian or Thai is going to look the same. But there probably are appearance traits that are more common in Italians or Filipinos than in non-Italians or non-Filipinos. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 5:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/83 "2011-02-26T17:16:45Z")
This is the site where the original composites were made: [https://pmsol3.wordpress.com/](https://pmsol3.wordpress.com/) They were taken without his permission. Whoever borrowed them labeled the Argentine composite as South African. ( **Mr. Dibble** , you’re correct, not South African at all.) About the maker: [About Me | The Postnational Monitor](https://pmsol3.wordpress.com/about-me/) I’ve interacted with him online for several years. He’s a thirty something black American with a background in international development, who currently works in IT in Switzerland. He has lived and worked in China, speaks Chinese, and has an ongoing interest in East Asian affairs. He also has a serious interest in population genetics, especially those of Africa and black America. So, **even sven** , he knows perfectly well that all of Africa isn’t one country. He went through thousands of photos to put together the composites, and he used what he could get. He doesn’t make any claims that the composites are rigorously scientific. They’re just the best that he could do with the time and resources available. The best part of this is that [Roissy picked up on the composites](http://roissy.wordpress.com/2011/02/07/and-the-country-with-the-most-beautiful-women-is/) without knowing that the maker was a black American. (Roissy wishes fervently for an all white USA). When he found out, he was not pleased. ---
**Author:** ![monstro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ba9def/32.png) [@monstro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/monstro)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/84 "2011-02-26T17:30:22Z")
> [@excerpt from BelowJob's link](#): > > - Adjusted for race, the averaged woman is noticeably light-skinned. Swarthiness is not an attractive trait in women, it would seem. > > - The averaged Irish woman is relatively mannish looking with a prominent jaw and chin, and thin lips. This accords with personal observation. Irish girls are feast or famine; they are either breathtakingly beautiful or homely. > > - The averaging program is very powerful. We can see this by the good things it does to English girls, the average of whom is pretty darn cute. > > - But not that powerful. The program has limitations on the magic it can conjure. Samoa has the ugliest women in the world. Sorry, scowling ladyboys. > > - Most slaves brought to America during the trade were from West Africa. It is thus interesting that the averaged African-American woman is so different looking than the averaged West African woman. The West African woman, although darker, is more feminine looking. The African-American woman looks like she could play second string defensive back for the Packers. First string if she’s married to the President of the United States. > > - Of the three smart but uncreative Northeast Asian countries, the averaged Korean girl is probably the cutest, but it’s a horse race. Really, all three of the Asian chicks looksame. The Japanese girl is making an anime face. > > - However, the Vietnamese girl, although it is not shown, has the best ass of the epicanthically folded races. Love your ass long time! > > - The averaged Hungarian girl looks like a vampire. Fitting. > > - What would the daughters of a master race of white men-asian women pairings look like? See: Uzbek. > > - The composite Irish and Welsh woman is not as attractive as the composite English woman. Infer at your leisure. > > - Aside from skin color, West and East Africans look very different. > > - There are a lot of broad noses in the world. Like red hair, the noble, aquiline nose is a vanishing trait. Too bad. > > - The nations of Europe are not a miasma of undifferentiated whiteness. The averaged women of each European nation have distinctive looks. And most likely distinctive composite personalities, temperaments and future time orientations. Just sayin’. > > - The South African woman is kinda hot. And white. Which brings us to… > > - Why is America, the most powerful country of the 20th century, missing from this comparison? If the programmer can suss out the white chicks in a country that is majority black, why couldn’t the same be done for the US? Up until 1965, when the soft genocide population replacement program pushed by the gated community elites geared up, America was nearly 90% white. I think that’s grounds for having representation from a composite American white chick. Major oversight. Or are American chicks just TOO DAMN FAT to acquire an N \> 1? > > - The Latvian girl looks like a throwback from a 1970s porno. > > - South Indian girls may be smarter, but North Indian girls are cuter. > > - Overall face shape doesn’t seem to be too important to beauty. There are cute representatives from both the long-faced and round-faced groups. See, as a comparison, the Swiss girl and the Iranian girl. > > - Remember that scene in the underground city of Zion from the Matrix sequel? The banging drums, primitive dancing, and rainbow of multicult love? That’s the Puerto Rican girl. I wanted the machines to win after that scene. > > - Of course, the Polish and Russian girls look the most serious. Of course. Get over yourselves, girls. > > - The average Russian girl may as well be a hot tennis star. Or Putin’s mistress. > > - Too bad for the Samoan girl that Australian Aboriginal girls were not included. > > - The Mongolian girl is hiding a purple saguaro in her purse. > > - The Finnish girl looks like she’d fuck the consciousness out of you. > > - The composite Spaniard is full of herself. Did a composite tiara come included with that photo? > > - Blonde and light brown hair are overrepresented in this graphical chart. Is this a selection effect, or does averaging lighten women’s hair? > > - The French composite is the least “average” looking of all the women. She is quite stunning with her bold yet feminine features. > > - The Peruvian girl has kind eyes. She’d cook you a meal on your second date. > > - Swedish girls are overrated. > > - Greek and Italian women could be sisters. What loveliness. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 6:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/85 "2011-02-26T18:08:43Z")
> [@](#): > > (Roissy wishes fervently for an all white USA) Also, he’s the kind of high functioning sociopath that lots of good looking young white women find very attractive. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/86 "2011-02-26T18:15:34Z")
> [@TokyoPlayer](#): > > I have yet to meet someone who can clearly differentiate Chinese Americans, Korean Americans and Japanese Americans. > [@monstro](#): > > You never hear someone say they can look at a white person and tell if they’re French, German, Finnish, British, Irish, etc. I’ve heard of people making the claim they can distinguish a west African from a east African from a southern African–and I think I could probably take a good stab at that too. As I could with the various regions of Europe. But down to the nationality? Specific nationality in Europeans is tougher than Chinese/Korean/Japanese, I think. Still, I bet you and I both could still score well making binary distinctions, at least. Imagine getting a series of paired photos and being asked which one is nationality X, or a series of single photos and the choice of nationalities Y and Z. If you’ve seen a large enough sample of people from most populations, I think you’ve picked up a lot more clues about the ranges and patterns of appearance than you probably think. The key is having the sample to learn from in the first place (in RL or photos)–being able to look at fifty people that you know are all French, another fifty you know are all German, or whatever; after that, I think most of us could do pretty well assigning fifty more one way or the other. You wouldn’t expect to get them all, but you’d get a lot, I think. It would be fun to try, anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Peremensoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/ce7236/32.png) [@Peremensoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Peremensoe)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/87 "2011-02-26T18:27:00Z")
[Here’s a quiz](http://alllooksame.com/quiz.php?tid=1) to try for the three Asian sets. I just got 12/18, which is a little worse than I’d hoped, but the average score is only 7. (Random chance would be 6.) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 8:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/88 "2011-02-26T20:00:12Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > This is the site where the original composites were made: [https://pmsol3.wordpress.com/](https://pmsol3.wordpress.com/) Thanks for the link. This page shows a number of averaged men as well as averaged women. I’m curious if the same effect exists. Do women (or gay men) find the averaged men generally more attractive? And from those links, here’s the average [white American male](http://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/whiteamericanmale.jpg?w=400&h=610) and [white American female](http://pmsol3.files.wordpress.com/2009/10/whiteamericanfemale.jpg?w=400&h=623). ---
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/89 "2011-02-26T20:57:19Z")
> [@spark240](#): > > Yeah, I noticed that. Does it look like a white South African? I don’t know, they all look the same to me. ---
**Author:** ![guizot](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guizot/32/3636_2.png) [@guizot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/guizot)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/90 "2011-02-26T21:05:14Z")
> [@MrDibble](#): > > I don’t know, they all look the same to me. You mean white South Africans, or women? ---
**Author:** ![even\_sven](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/dfb087/32.png) [@even\_sven](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/even_sven)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/91 "2011-02-26T22:50:08Z")
> [@Belowjob2.0](#): > > So, **even sven** , he knows perfectly well that all of Africa isn’t one country. He went through thousands of photos to put together the composites, and he used what he could get. Yeah, blah blah blah, it just seems needlessly dismissive of a continent. You’d be kind of 😕 if a Chinese artist put together a similar project and carefully labeled every country and even made fine definitions within countries, and then lumped the US, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean as “North America.” It’s easy to not really care about Africa, but the way this project presents Africa is lazy and content in it’s ignorance. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 11:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/92 "2011-02-26T23:18:20Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Yeah, blah blah blah, it just seems needlessly dismissive of a continent. You’d be kind of 😕 if a Chinese artist put together a similar project and carefully labeled every country and even made fine definitions within countries, and then lumped the US, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean as “North America.” It’s easy to not really care about Africa, but the way this project presents Africa is lazy and content in it’s ignorance. He’ll find your notion that he’s dismissive of Africa highly entertaining. What’s interesting is that lots of people from different parts of the world have similar complaints: “You didn’t get right the part of the world that I think is most important!” The West African composite was motivated by the fact that this is where the African ancestors of most black Americans came from. He was primarily interested in a comparison between West Africans and black Americans. He made regional melanges because the African component of our ancestry is a regional melange. He’s not particularly interested in differences between modern African political states, because those are relatively recent developments, and don’t necessarily correspond to ethnicity anyway. Many of the major ethnic groups are spread across several countries, as you know. Finding enough Akan or Mende face front portraits to do composites may not be impossible, but it’s definitely more time consuming and difficult than doing a West African one. And the software is available. Everyone can do their own composites on the peoples of their choosing. ---
**Author:** ![AClockworkMelon](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aclockworkmelon/32/10803_2.png) [@AClockworkMelon](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/AClockworkMelon)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 11:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/93 "2011-02-26T23:36:43Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Yeah, blah blah blah, it just seems needlessly dismissive of a continent. You’d be kind of 😕 if a Chinese artist put together a similar project and carefully labeled every country and even made fine definitions within countries, and then lumped the US, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean as “North America.” Really? I wouldn’t care. I mean, this guy didn’t do America at all. ---
**Author:** ![Belowjob2.0](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b9e5f3/32.png) [@Belowjob2.0](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Belowjob2.0)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 11:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/94 "2011-02-26T23:40:56Z")
> [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > Really? I wouldn’t care. > > I mean, this guy didn’t do America at all. He did. It’s on his website. ---
**Author:** ![Colibri](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/colibri/32/1841_2.png) [@Colibri](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Colibri)\ **Post date:** [February 26, 2011, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/95 "2011-02-26T23:53:19Z")
> [@even\_sven](#): > > Yeah, blah blah blah, it just seems needlessly dismissive of a continent. You’d be kind of 😕 if a Chinese artist put together a similar project and carefully labeled every country and even made fine definitions within countries, and then lumped the US, Canada, Mexico and the Caribbean as “North America.” It’s easy to not really care about Africa, but the way this project presents Africa is lazy and content in it’s ignorance. You’re just reading way too much into it. It wouldn’t make sense to do Nigeria, or Cameroon, or Gabon either, considering the diversity of ethnic groups within each of these countries. ---
**Author:** ![BigT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bigt/32/12044_2.png) [@BigT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BigT)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 8:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/96 "2011-02-27T08:13:04Z")
I just wanted to address the confusion about the word average. There’s more than one type of average. When we use average in casual conversation about non-numerical quantities, we usually mean that mode; however, this system is using the mean. When we discuss the average person from such-and-such country, we are thinking of the traits we see in the majority of the people we have seen from the country. This software isn’t doing that. It’s doing hundreds of numerical calculations, averaging the measurements of the picture given. Responses: > [@monstro](#): > > What loveliness. :rolleyes: Well, he did warn you by saying he was a white supremacist. Racism and sexism tend to be correlated. > [@AClockworkMelon](#): > > What someone needs to do now is take all those faces and average THEM together so that we can see what the “average” human female face looks like. I signed up and was going to use the software to do this, but > [@](#): > > The demos are not working and we apologise for any inconvenience. We hope to have them working by Sunday evening. (The university will not let us access the server off campus and we are away for the weekend.) ---
**Author:** ![Kyla](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/eada6e/32.png) [@Kyla](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kyla)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 9:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/97 "2011-02-27T09:03:35Z")
> [@monstro](#): > > You never hear someone say they can look at a white person and tell if they’re French, German, Finnish, British, Irish, etc. You don’t hear people claim they can do it, but people do try to do this, all the time. I’ve had people guess at what my ethnic background is on many occasions - often in relation to them trying to puzzle out my last name, which is hyphenated. People tend not to be shy about it, and I’ve been quizzed and told I do/don’t look like my ethnic background on numerous occasions. ETA: btw, I think the reason all of these women look so attractive is that the software has made their faces symmetrical, which, as I understand it, we register as “attractive”. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/98 "2011-02-27T09:42:24Z")
Weird. I like the girls where I live now, but none of the East-Asian women did anything special for me. Maybe Aomori really does have awesomely beautiful girls. ---
**Author:** ![Siam\_Sam](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/d78d45/32.png) [@Siam\_Sam](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siam_Sam)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 1:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/99 "2011-02-27T13:45:52Z")
> [@Siam\_Sam](#): > > My Thai wife is ethnically Chinese. In Thailand, other Thais have mistaken her for Japanese and Filipina. In the US, she was once mistaken for Hawaiian. > > There are a lot of ethnicities in Thailand. People from the Northeast, North and South all have rather distinctive looks. She reminded me of the time in the American Southwest that she was mistaken for a Navajo, too. ---
**Author:** ![Rysdad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/7cd45c/32.png) [@Rysdad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysdad)\ **Post date:** [February 27, 2011, 11:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/average-women-from-41-different-countries/572549/100 "2011-02-27T23:39:43Z")
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