# AvP sucks. **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [August 13, 2004, 10:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757 "2004-08-13T22:34:36Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Silentgoldfish](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e36b37/32.png) [@Silentgoldfish](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Silentgoldfish)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 3:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/61 "2004-08-19T15:18:38Z")
> [@Max Carnage](#): > > Bishop in Alien^3 was an android, too, if you’ll remember his ear coming off after getting hit. But that does bring up a good point. If Charles Bishop Weyland was the original and the face behind the androids, why would Ripley be tricked into thinking that he was alive and well? > > I wonder… > > Oh well. Actually, he wasn’t an android. Not only does he bleed red blood, in the extended version of the movie he says as much after he’s hit. ---
**Author:** ![ElectricZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@ElectricZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElectricZ)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/62 "2004-08-19T16:22:29Z")
> [@Max Carnage](#): > > Bishop in Alien^3 was an android, too, if you’ll remember his ear coming off after getting hit. Hoo boy… This is a hot topic in the Alien community. There are people who insist that he’s an android, even though he staggers, winces in pain and bleeds red blood. But then his ear looks to be hanging off and he doesn’t pass out from getting clubbed on the head… But he’s human, according to the screenplay. And if you see the “extended edition” it makes it clear he’s human as he clamps his hand over the wound, tries not to collapse and gurgles out, “Gaaaah! I’m not an android! I’m human!” Incidentally, the extended edition is worth hunting down. It doesn’t make _Alien 3_ into a perfect movie, but it adds an awful lot of characterization that the theatrical cut was lacking. In either version if he was an android, as soon as he was discovered he would have busted a move over (or through) the fence to get to Ripley before she did her final swan dive. There would be no need for him to continue the charade by pretending to hold himself up dazedly against the fence and beg Ripley not to do herself in, and then scream “Nooooooooooooo!” as she plunges to her death. Not that I’m a big enough Alien geek to argue this stuff, though. 🙂 EZ ---
**Author:** ![Loopydude](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/e56c9b/32.png) [@Loopydude](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Loopydude)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/63 "2004-08-19T16:40:31Z")
Why, _why_ did I allow myself to be dragged to this steaming brown turd of a film. Y’know why? Because my 13-year-old nephew would have given his left nut to see it, and my wife vowed over her dead body not to go, that’s fucking why. So I went. Please, somebody, beat me, drug me, hit me gently with a car, _anything_ to keep me out of the theater for the rest of this pathetic summer of cinema. As if _I, Robot_ weren’t depressing enough, I have to have my lowered spirits and expectations smacked-down and gang-raped up the ass by this tub of vomit. Fuck. I hate movies. Y’know what’s worse? He _loved_ it. That’s right, the little miscreant thought it was “sooo kewl!!”. We’re fucked, folks. If this is the future of America, we’re right buggered in the arse. What could al Qaeda do damage to that the callow minds of our philistine youth isn’t rotting from the inside out already? Well, I’ve earned all the good uncle karma I need for the next year, at least. Hey, _honey_, it’s _your_ turn to take the brats to the next Christmas Kids’ Craptacular! Bwah-ahahaha! ---
**Author:** ![pool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pool/32/4152_2.png) [@pool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pool)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 4:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/64 "2004-08-19T16:48:41Z")
[AVP CLAIMS ANOTHER LIFE!](http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/08/17/popcorn.choking.ap/index.html) ---
**Author:** ![Tamerlane](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tamerlane/32/7602_2.png) [@Tamerlane](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tamerlane)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 5:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/65 "2004-08-19T17:11:09Z")
> [@Cervaise](#): > > Last I heard he was developing a remake of _Death Race 2000._ Y’know, I actually own _Resident Evil_ on DVD. Why? Well…I kinda like Milla…kicking stuff. I’m a simple man :D. I’ll watch the second one ( but not at the theater - I won’t watch any of these things at the theater ) for the same reason. But the above is just fucking heresy. - Tamerlane ---
**Author:** ![lno](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/a8b319/32.png) [@lno](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/lno)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/66 "2004-08-19T17:42:21Z")
> [@Tamerlane](#): > > But the above is just fucking heresy. What, you don’t want to see if he can get Stallone back to reprise his role? C’mon, he was Oscar material in the first. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/67 "2004-08-19T20:03:52Z")
> [@slortar](#): > > Feel tortured, Elvis? 😉 If it weren’t for the fact my anger makes me happy, I’d say yes, but ranting about this vile piece of shit is actually quite fun. 🙂 Being called a nerd kinda stings, though ☹ Thankfully, I’ve got **ElectricZ** to keep me company in the cafeteria. Another thing that got to me a bit…obviously, the predators have weaponry that’s capable of being covered in xenomorph blood without dissolving into nothingness (the lance is used to spear a drone as well as the queen, and that little throwing star thingy is used and reused quite a bit as well), yet they don’t bother to make the queen’s restraints, their armor, their glove claws, or their netting of the same stuff…why? Would have saved them all a hell of a lot of trouble. And one more little nitpick…if you’re going to make all the predators have the same sized head, the least you could do is make sure they’re all over 6 feet tall. All the really short predators just looked really friggin’ stupid with their huge heads. ---
**Author:** ![ElectricZ](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/58f4c7/32.png) [@ElectricZ](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ElectricZ)\ **Post date:** [August 19, 2004, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/68 "2004-08-19T21:05:54Z")
> [@El Elvis Rojo](#): > > Being called a nerd kinda stings, though ☹ > Thankfully, I’ve got **ElectricZ** to keep me company in the cafeteria. Solidarity, brother! Your points have all been well observed. Geeking out about a movie isn’t that unusual – people bitch about how poorly their favorite sports teams do, how their favorite band doesn’t sound as good as they used to, etc… Fans are fans are fans. You just hate to see something you like go south, regardless of what it is. And if Slortar pushes us down one more time and tries to steal our action figures again, I’m gonna tell my big brother! EZ p.s. I can’t remember if it was mentioned in this thread, but did’ anybody find it unusual that Predator technology and society hasn’t changed in several thousand years? ---
**Author:** ![Bryan\_Ekers](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bryan_ekers/32/183_2.png) [@Bryan\_Ekers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bryan_Ekers)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2004, 1:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/69 "2004-08-20T01:49:46Z")
> [@ElectricZ](#): > > p.s. I can’t remember if it was mentioned in this thread, but did’ anybody find it unusual that Predator technology and society hasn’t changed in several thousand years? Well, they stagnated after they hunted all the nerds to extinction, thus eliminating any chance at technological advancement. ---
**Author:** ![El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/898d66/32.png) [@El\_Elvis\_Rojo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Elvis_Rojo)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2004, 2:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/70 "2004-08-20T02:08:16Z")
> [@ElectricZ](#): > > p.s. I can’t remember if it was mentioned in this thread, but did’ anybody find it unusual that Predator technology and society hasn’t changed in several thousand years? Not in this movie, but it may have something to do with the fact that, without their helmets, a predator’s vision is shit. FX was showing the original, and when he takes off his helmet to give Arnie an honorable fight, I found his sight to be utterly useless. Unless their looking at something living, it seems all they can see is red. How they ever managed to invent anything is beyond me. Whatever the case, I’m glad that this movie didn’t bother to try and explain it…who knows what kind of crap Anderson would have come up with. ---
**Author:** ![Chairman\_Pow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/838e76/32.png) [@Chairman\_Pow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chairman_Pow)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2004, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/71 "2004-08-20T04:12:39Z")
> [@pool](#): > > [AVP CLAIMS ANOTHER LIFE!](http://www.cnn.com/2004/US/Northeast/08/17/popcorn.choking.ap/index.html) Not to make light of the situation, but what the hell is a 3 year-old doing in this movie (or any movie for that matter)? ---
**Author:** ![Tuckerfan](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/eada6e/32.png) [@Tuckerfan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tuckerfan)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2004, 4:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/72 "2004-08-20T04:28:23Z")
> [@Chairman Pow](#): > > Not to make light of the situation, but what the hell is a 3 year-old doing in this movie (or any movie for that matter)? You mean besides choking to death? Well, parents these days don’t seem to have much grasp of what kind of films are appropriate for children. I saw _The Exorcist_ when it was rereleased in the theaters, and some guy who was in his forties brought his _very_ young children to see the movie. What on Earth made this guy think that it was okay to bring the kids to this? He’s certainly old enough to have seen the movie in the theaters the first time it came around, and even if he didn’t, he should have heard enough about the film over the years to know that you really shouldn’t bring little kids to a movie where a character _grabs a crucifix, begins jabbing it in their crotch and shouting, “Fuck me, Jesus!”_ ---
**Author:** ![Incubus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/c68b51/32.png) [@Incubus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Incubus)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2004, 7:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/73 "2004-08-20T07:43:38Z")
> [@El Elvis Rojo](#): > > Not in this movie, but it may have something to do with the fact that, without their helmets, a predator’s vision is shit. FX was showing the original, and when he takes off his helmet to give Arnie an honorable fight, I found his sight to be utterly useless. Unless their looking at something living, it seems all they can see is red. How they ever managed to invent anything is beyond me. > > Whatever the case, I’m glad that this movie didn’t bother to try and explain it…who knows what kind of crap Anderson would have come up with. I was thinking about this too, and was wondering since they only seem to see in the IR spectrum, why would their suicide bomb timers even be visible to human beings? 😕 Hypothetically, much of their appearance/written communication/etc would revolve around how they see things. Maybe they have a highly developed sense of smell/hearing? ---
**Author:** ![slortar](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/6bbea6/32.png) [@slortar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/slortar)\ **Post date:** [August 20, 2004, 11:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/74 "2004-08-20T11:56:16Z")
> [@El Elvis Rojo](#): > > Being called a nerd kinda stings, though ☹ Heh. In my case, it’s a matter of glass houses, though. _pushes back horn-rim glasses_😉 ---
**Author:** ![erislover](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/71e660/32.png) [@erislover](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/erislover)\ **Post date:** [August 21, 2004, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/75 "2004-08-21T14:18:55Z")
I’d put this somewhere between Alien and Resurrection, and somewhere between Predator 1 and Predator 2 (I hated the second one). It was a slightly above-average flick for its genre. Sci-fi action just generally sucks. This only mostly sucked. It was far better than the Manchurian Candidate. ---
**Author:** ![tracer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tracer/32/20578_2.png) [@tracer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tracer)\ **Post date:** [August 22, 2004, 10:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757/76 "2004-08-22T22:59:41Z")
I finished playing through **Doom 3** yesterday. Then, I watched _ **Alien vs. Predator** _ today. It was like the same thing all over again, except I didn’t get to shoot anything. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/avp-sucks/259757.md?page=3)