# Aw hell; Family of 7 dead in apparent murder-suicide **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [January 27, 2009, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260 "2009-01-27T18:39:06Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/41 "2009-01-28T17:20:42Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > [Cite:](http://books.google.com/books?id=iN8TWrl2K2UC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=percent+of+mass+murderers+are+male&source=bl&ots=0MO2bBTCSV&sig=oJjbN98Y_Zb05WWiK2zr_06Ejt0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result) Mass murderers are 94% male. I thought we were talking about people killing their children, which is what happened in this case. I googled it, and found an insane amount of names. Women who killed their children in the past few years in the US. JoAnn Gelsomino Hope Orwick Susan Smith Andrea Roberts Slidell woman Sally Winter Angela Cannings Andrea Yates LaRhonda N. Mason Nicole Waring Nathshay Ward Amber Hill Narayanamma Rebekah Amaya Marcelle Thibault Gilberta Estrada Roxanne Fernandez Jones Patricia Blackmon Nimisha Tiwari Renee Green Plus, [11 Women](http://crime.about.com/od/female_offenders/a/mother_killers.htm) on death row for killing their kids. That’s just what I could find in the first couple pages of my searches. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 5:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/42 "2009-01-28T17:23:35Z")
ETA: Found it. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/43 "2009-01-28T17:38:09Z")
> [@Labrador\_Deceiver](#): > > Slidell woman > > Narayanamma Yeah, disregard those two. One is from outside the country, the other is obviously vague. :smack: ---
**Author:** ![VinylTurnip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/v/b2d939/32.png) [@VinylTurnip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/VinylTurnip)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/44 "2009-01-28T19:21:00Z")
> [@Beware\_of\_Doug](#): > > [Cite:](http://books.google.com/books?id=iN8TWrl2K2UC&pg=PA57&lpg=PA57&dq=percent+of+mass+murderers+are+male&source=bl&ots=0MO2bBTCSV&sig=oJjbN98Y_Zb05WWiK2zr_06Ejt0&hl=en&sa=X&oi=book_result&resnum=2&ct=result) Mass murderers are 94% male. Yep. Everything but the kneecaps, earlobes, and clitoris. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/45 "2009-01-28T19:26:00Z")
> [@mswas](#): > > No one in their right mind murders their kids or commits suicide. Obviously it’s a mental defect. I would agree with the first but not the second. There are perfectly logical and rational reasons to commit suicide. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/46 "2009-01-28T19:34:11Z")
> [@lee](#): > > I have read so many rants saying how people who can’t afford to care for their children properly should not have children and are scum if they do. I read rants about how it is morally wrong for people to expect the community to support children they bring into the world, how only scum do that. I lost my job shortly after my first child was born, and all those rants came slamming back to me and I felt like I was scum. I loved my child more than anyone or anything, but I felt like I had been wrong to have her, and I had never espoused those viewpoints. I had done my best to save and prepare a nice life for her, and it seemed like it was just not enough. I can’t imagine how much worse he must have felt than I did, because i can’t imagine doing that at all, but I can begin to understand the heartbreak and fear that started him on that path. I think that’s a really important point. ---
**Author:** ![Rico](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rico/32/3582_2.png) [@Rico](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rico)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/47 "2009-01-28T19:35:32Z")
[http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-children-killed28-2009jan28,0,240432.story](http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-children-killed28-2009jan28,0,240432.story) > [@](#): > > “Oh lord, my God,” the letter concluded, “is there no hope for a widow’s son?” So apparently the guy was Masonic, as well. Either that, or simply knew a lot about Masons. ---
**Author:** ![Labrador\_Deceiver](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/7c8e57/32.png) [@Labrador\_Deceiver](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Labrador_Deceiver)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 7:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/48 "2009-01-28T19:45:14Z")
> [@Rico](#): > > [http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-children-killed28-2009jan28,0,240432.story](http://www.latimes.com/news/local/la-me-children-killed28-2009jan28,0,240432.story) > > So apparently the guy was Masonic, as well. Either that, or simply knew a lot about Masons. Meh. The Masons seem to me to be rather boring and harmless, some of whom have an inflated view of their organization’s importance. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/49 "2009-01-28T20:06:41Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Ignore my above posts…I’m not even in the right thread! I should be in the “I Hate People” thread. :smack: Does it really matter? You post the same shit in every fucking thread anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/50 "2009-01-28T20:07:42Z")
> [@Kalhoun](#): > > Cuckoo to the Nth. Hey!!! I had NOTHING to do with this…! ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/51 "2009-01-28T20:24:20Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > Does it really matter? You post the same shit in every fucking thread anyway. You have me at a disadvantage. I don’t follow you from thread to thread analysing your content for repetetiveness. In fact, unless you address me, I don’t even fucking notice you. ---
**Author:** ![Cuckoorex](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ad7895/32.png) [@Cuckoorex](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cuckoorex)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/52 "2009-01-28T20:43:32Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > You have me at a disadvantage. I don’t follow you from thread to thread analysing your content for repetetiveness. In fact, unless you address me, I don’t even fucking notice you. Thank Crom. If you did, you’d probably try to steal my stuff somehow. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/53 "2009-01-28T21:18:09Z")
> [@Cuckoorex](#): > > Thank Crom. If you did, you’d probably try to steal my stuff somehow. Now you are being silly, Conan. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 10:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/54 "2009-01-28T22:39:59Z")
> [@BobLibDem](#): > > Anyone else immediately think of Dylan’s The Ballad of Hollis Brown? Yeah! I actually looked up the [lyrics](http://www.bobdylan.com/#/songs/ballad-hollis-brown) to that song for the Bob Dylan lyrics thread in CS a couple of days ago. But I didn’t post them because it isn’t the lyrics that make this song powerful, but the dark storyline and haunting perfromance. It’s pretty shitty to see it played out in real life. ☹ There’s seven breezes a-blowin’ All around the cabin door There’s seven breezes a-blowin’ All around the cabin door Seven shots ring out Like the ocean’s pounding roar There’s seven people dead On a South Dakota farm There’s seven people dead On a South Dakota farm Somewhere in the distance There’s seven new people born ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2009, 11:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/55 "2009-01-28T23:24:57Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > There’s seven people dead > On a South Dakota farm > Somewhere in the distance > There’s seven new people born You know what’s wierd? Same day this killing went down, a woman in [California gave birth to octuplets.](http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20255581,00.html) Has anyone investigated Bob Dylan in connection with this murder? He seems to have a suspicious amount of knowledge about it. ---
**Author:** ![Aspidistra](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aspidistra/32/3894_2.png) [@Aspidistra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Aspidistra)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/56 "2009-01-29T06:06:50Z")
> [@ivan\_astikov](#): > > Is the only option for this 25yr old man and 20 yr old woman, to have them removed from the gene pool? _20 year old_ woman? I don’t see ages listed for these two in the linked article, and holy crap, she had an 8 year old kid! ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 12:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/57 "2009-01-29T12:41:09Z")
> [@Aspidistra](#): > > _20 year old_ woman? I don’t see ages listed for these two in the linked article, and holy crap, she had an 8 year old kid! The parents were considerably older than that. ---
**Author:** ![ivan\_astikov](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/58f4c7/32.png) [@ivan\_astikov](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ivan_astikov)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 1:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/58 "2009-01-29T13:22:55Z")
> [@Contrapuntal](#): > > The parents were considerably older than that. As I mentioned [here](http://boardstest.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=10753862&postcount=38), I was in the wrong thread. I was referring to the couple who beat their young daughter to death in another thread. It was easy to overlook though. ---
**Author:** ![gigi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/a587f6/32.png) [@gigi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gigi)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/59 "2009-01-29T19:46:03Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > You know what’s wierd? Same day this killing went down, a woman in [California gave birth to octuplets.](http://www.people.com/people/article/0,,20255581,00.html) See post 9. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2009, 9:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260/60 "2009-01-29T21:32:54Z")
> [@Cluricaun](#): > > I think that the scary and sad mindset is that you’ve lost your job, you’ll lose your house and your car and everything else and the thought of someone else later taking your wife and raising your kids is a bit too much for them to handle. These would seem to me to be the actions and thoughts of someone who’s desperate to keep something for themselves, the one thing they value most. > > Not that I sympathize, I think it’s terrible, but that’s probably where a lot of that is coming from. Stir in the drinking,divorce,spouse abuse ,drug use and depression and the social ramifications of a miserable financial era we are in begins to show a true picture. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/aw-hell-family-of-7-dead-in-apparent-murder-suicide/483260.md?page=4)