# B.C. From Fundie Fun Time to Bigoted Asshole. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [December 8, 2006, 5:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374 "2006-12-08T17:48:39Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 17\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 7:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/61 "2006-12-10T19:11:50Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] Here you have a preacher(church) using the US mail(state) as a pulpit. As a result, the preacher’s message gets drowned out by the state and the preacher drags down the swift delivery of the mail. Neither objective is served. [/quote] I tip my hat to you. [Got anything about this one?](http://www.tampabayprimer.org/index.cfm?action=articles&drill=viewArt&art=8) I’ll grant that [this one](http://wondermark.com/tcsd/stripdoc_3.html) is open to interpretation, although I think the unbiased ones are hard to swallow. I’d link to just the images if I could. Sorry to ‘spoil’ the offense. > [@](#): > > And I say that Hart wishing to put the Japanese back in internment camps is your fantasy. No, it’s my exaggeration as a way of calling him a bigoted asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Snooooopy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ee7513/32.png) [@Snooooopy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snooooopy)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/62 "2006-12-10T19:20:02Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] I tip my hat to you. [Got anything about this one?](http://www.tampabayprimer.org/index.cfm?action=articles&drill=viewArt&art=8) [/QUOTE] Charlie Brown (because, to me, that loaf of bread in the cave looks a lot like his head) has passed out after a long night of drinking red wine. He is going to be sealed in with the stone until he sleeps it off. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 10:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/63 "2006-12-10T22:40:46Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] I tip my hat to you. [/quote] Thanks, but do you buy it ? > [@](#): > > [Got anything about this one?](http://www.tampabayprimer.org/index.cfm?action=articles&drill=viewArt&art=8) Just an artful way of restating the general Christian concept of a new deal from the original Jewish God. > [@](#): > > I’ll grant that [this one](http://wondermark.com/tcsd/stripdoc_3.html) is open to interpretation, To me, this toon is clearly offensive to Muslims. I’ll admit that just like many here think Christian fundamentalism is crap, I think Islam is crap as well. Only in that sense can I see any humour. However stating such in national publication does not serve the ideals of a pluralistic society. Even more so, I’m disgusted by Hart’s denial of intent in that cartoon. > [@](#): > > although I think the unbiased ones are hard to swallow. I’d link to just the images if I could. Sorry to ‘spoil’ the offense. I have no idea what you are talking about ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/64 "2006-12-10T22:52:21Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] Thanks, but do you buy it ? [/quote] Not in a million years. When I first read your post, I assumed you were joking. > [@](#): > > Just an artful way of restating the general Christian concept of a new deal from the original Jewish God. From where do you get “new deal?” The art clearly has Christianity replacing Judaism, and that’s certainly going to offend most Jews. And then the “forgive them” quote is taken out of context. In Luke, it’s being applied to the people who are crucifying Jesus. In the image, because of the menorah, the comment is directed at Jews. > [@](#): > > I have no idea what you are talking about I was trying to say that I would have preferred to link to the images themselves, since you had not seen them before, instead of linking to pages where people explained why they felt the cartoons were offensive or inoffensive. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 11:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/65 "2006-12-10T23:04:02Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] Not in a million years. When I first read your post, I assumed you were joking. [/QUOTE] Well pray tell, what was your interpretation of “Church and State” toon ? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/66 "2006-12-10T23:14:16Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] Well pray tell, what was your interpretation of “Church and State” toon ? [/QUOTE] “‘Separation of Church and State’ folks are trying to separate us from the love of Christ.” The bird isn’t slowing down the mail. Turtles are slow anyway, and the turtle isn’t showing any strain. And the turtle is not drowning the bird out, he’s joining in to praise Jesus (although he’s doing it, in kind of a slow-witted way, by quoting from the postal oath). ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 11:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/67 "2006-12-10T23:30:00Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] “‘Separation of Church and State’ folks are trying to separate us from the love of Christ.” The bird isn’t slowing down the mail. Turtles are slow anyway, and the turtle isn’t showing any strain. And the turtle is not drowning the bird out, he’s joining in to praise Jesus (although he’s doing it, in kind of a slow-witted way, by quoting from the postal oath). [/QUOTE] I can’t buy that. Not for one second. ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 11:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/68 "2006-12-10T23:35:41Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] I can’t buy that. Not for one second. [/QUOTE] You’d find yourself in a very small minority on that one. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 11:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/69 "2006-12-10T23:38:15Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] I’ll admit that just like many here think Christian fundamentalism is crap, I think Islam is crap as well. [/QUOTE] Did you mean “Islamic Fundamentalism” there, or just Islam in general? ---
**Author:** ![Marley23](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Marley23](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Marley23)\ **Post date:** [December 10, 2006, 11:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/70 "2006-12-10T23:41:34Z")
[Hart says “I’ve turned the strip into my ministry” and says he wants the strip to tell non-Christians about the religion.](http://www.ptm.org/JulHartofBC.htm) And here’s a quote that almost directly refutes your interpretation of that strip: > [@](#): > > Q. Do you think Christianity and politics mix? > > [Hart:] Yes. Absolutely. Politics came from Christianity, actually. The values, order, law–the Constitution was framed by Christians. The country was made by Christians. The universities were first theological schools. John Jay, the first chief justice of the Supreme Court, was a Christian. These people said things like, “The only way this nation will survive is if we fill our courts with Christians” – I’m paraphrasing. > > They were adamant about it. They said you’ve got to keep our elected officials and our judges Christian or the country will fail! ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2006, 12:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/71 "2006-12-11T00:30:04Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] Did you mean “Islamic Fundamentalism” there, or just Islam in general? [/QUOTE] Do you know any Muslim group that doesn’t think the Koran is the word of God as spoken to Allah ? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/9fc348/32.png) [@The\_Flying\_Dutchman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Flying_Dutchman)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2006, 12:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/72 "2006-12-11T00:33:52Z")
[QUOTE=Marley23] And here’s a quote that almost directly refutes your interpretation of that strip: [/QUOTE] Well you just spoiled what I thought wa a brilliant cartoon. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2006, 12:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/73 "2006-12-11T00:35:36Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] Do you know any Muslim group that doesn’t think the Koran is the word of God as spoken to Allah ? [/QUOTE] I’m pretty sure there are no Muslims who think the Koran is the word of God as spoken _to_ Allah. 😉 Seriously though, I think your actual question here is “Do I know any Muslims who don’t consider every word of the Koran to be taken literally?”, to which the answer is yes, I do. And I note that, even then, people are likely to disagree on exactly what the Koran means. Just like, shock horror, pretty much all religions and any kind of movement based on a text. ---
**Author:** ![samclem](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/a9a28c/32.png) [@samclem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/samclem)\ **Post date:** [December 11, 2006, 12:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/74 "2006-12-11T00:48:43Z")
[QUOTE=The Flying Dutchman] Well you just spoiled what I thought wa a brilliant cartoon. [/QUOTE] Johnny, they hardly knew you. ---
**Author:** ![chorpler](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chorpler/32/2888_2.png) [@chorpler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chorpler)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2006, 5:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/75 "2006-12-14T05:59:51Z")
I’ve sent a letter to Mr. Hart asking him to clarify the meaning of the “Infamy” strip. Personally, I’m quite certain that he meant that we’ve been seduced into not caring about Pearl Harbor by the material goods that Japan offers us … but hopefully we’ll soon have clarification like with the “Church and State” strip. ---
**Author:** ![Faruiza](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/ecd19e/32.png) [@Faruiza](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Faruiza)\ **Post date:** [December 14, 2006, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/76 "2006-12-14T18:44:46Z")
Wow. That ought to be enlightening! Thanks, **chorpler**. The thought scampered across my tiny little mind briefly, but I thought for sure this thread would fall off the front page before I came back from Company Holiday Party HellTM. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **The Flying Dutchman** > Seriously, if Johnny Hart succeeded in conveying a message with eleven words that requires you about ten times that amount to restate he must be one hell of an artist. I’ve got two things to say about this. One is that a picture paints a thousand words, so yeah, it’s not beyond the realm of imagination that Hart’s few words would paint a fraction of that. The other is that he doesn’t have to be a great artist to convey his views as incompletely as he must have to spawn such confusion over what he meant. He’s a better artist than I am, because I can’t draw to save my life, but you’re right. I do have an imagination. > [@](#): > > Originally Posted by **The Flying Dutchman** > According to you, Johnny Hart means to convey > > 1. The Japanese haven’t finished repaying Americans for WWII war crimes. > 2. Peaceful muslims should be persecuted > 3. All muslims should be in internment camps > 4. Americans can be bought with beads > 5. Americans should refuse Japanese immigration > 6. Americans are incapable of patriotism. > > You have one hell of an imagination. I don’t think there is a person in America who believes all 6 points. I’m not asking people to buy into all six points. I wondered at which of them he was getting at myself. It seems that I’m not alone in reading the strip the way I did, and neither are you alone in the way you read it. There isn’t a whole lot of gray area here. Perhaps that’s what the man was going for. Maybe we’ll get lucky and **chorpler** will get a response that ferrets out the meaning for us. All I’m saying is that if you have known people in your life that actually DO believe the (very paraphrased) six points above, then it isn’t a stretch to apply it to a guy who seems to have gotten quite a mean little fervor going on in his art for the last couple years. If that’s not what he meant, ok then! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [December 15, 2006, 2:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374/77 "2006-12-15T02:25:54Z")
[QUOTE=Pine Fresh Scent] This thread reminded me of one of the funniest comic strips I’ve seen in a long time. I’m pretty sure it was linked by another doper in another thread, but I couldn’t find it. Anyway, enjoy this [B.C. parody (third strip down).](http://www.drinkatwork.com/mediumlargewk46.html) [/QUOTE] I think that might have been me, but it’s not my favorite anti-Hart cartoon. [This](http://www.somethingpositive.net/sp06222003.shtml) is my favorite anti-Hart cartoon. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-c-from-fundie-fun-time-to-bigoted-asshole/383374.md?page=3)