# \[B\]glee\[/B\], you lying sack of shit! **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [October 22, 2004, 3:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551 "2004-10-22T03:55:30Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 11:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/41 "2004-10-22T23:51:17Z")
> [@yojimbo](#): > > Pistols or custard pies? Doesn’t _anyone_ do _ **rapiers** _ anymore??? and no, I’m not referring to **Eve** ’s rapier-like wit! ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 22, 2004, 11:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/42 "2004-10-22T23:53:36Z")
> [@Priceguy](#): > > **SnakeSpirit** , could you send me a memo just before you start making sense, so I’ll know to start reading your posts? Sure. $12.95 a month and you’ll have to activate my spyware. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/43 "2004-10-23T00:04:11Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Hey, **Snakespirit**? Since you’re so hot on taking it to just about everybody for perceived slights, here’s one for you. > > I’m still waiting for you to apologize to me, actually, for putting words in my mouth in [this thread](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281367&page=4). > > it’s hard to claim the high ground when your feet are in the mud. Please elaborate. If you are due an apology, you’ll get one. How did I put words in your mouth? Be specific, and clear. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/44 "2004-10-23T00:05:33Z")
> [@vetbridge](#): > > Too lazy to look where? Between his/her legs? Where else could you look? In h profile, of course. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/45 "2004-10-23T00:19:17Z")
Well, no surprises so far. All the trolls have come out of their holes, trolling about with baseless allegations. We still await **glee,** to see what comments e has on it, if any. E may be busy, I don’t think e’s the kind to hide even if e realized e did fuck up. Misattributions are difficult to do on accident; this looks like (with the spacing differences) that it might have been a cut and paste job. Still, everyone else is _so_ glad to come and shoot their mouths off, least you could do is thank me! (Ungrateful cunts), and we wait for **glee** , so we can see, if e deliberately trashed me… Please cuntinue, this is fun! ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/46 "2004-10-23T02:21:19Z")
Baseless allegations? I really only see two allegations being tossed around in this thread. 1. That **glee** , with deliberate malice, attributed to you a quote that you did not say. 2. That you’re a fucking moron. Only one of those two allegations is baseless. I’ll give you three guesses which it is. [sub](Hint: It’s not number one.)[/sub] ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 3:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/47 "2004-10-23T03:11:17Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > Baseless allegations? I really only see two allegations being tossed around in this thread. > > 1. That **glee** , with deliberate malice, attributed to you a quote that you did not say. > > 2. That you’re a fucking moron. > > Only one of those two allegations is baseless. I’ll give you three guesses which it is. > > [sub](Hint: It’s not number one.)[/sub] You dumb dipshit. Where the fuck do _you_ get off calling me a moron? Besides the fact that this is the pit and you can say anything you want, that is. I’m still waiting for glee to speak for h self; all I allege is that he attributed Peter’s sayings to me. No, that’s not an allegation, it’s a fact. Only one I seen in this post so far. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 3:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/48 "2004-10-23T03:19:37Z")
> [@Q.E.D.](#): > > He just wanted to hear you reasoning for agreeing with **Peter Morris** ’ statements about Randi. Given that **Peter Morris** has never (to my knowledge) adequately explained the reasoning behind his statements about Randi, I suspect that **glee** was hoping you might be able to. Or not. Whatever. Well, “if we build it, e will come…” so far we’re still waiting. BTW: I fully expected coming in to the pit that those who can’t keep up with me in GD would trash me – it’s their only opportunity, after all. :rolleyes: I appreciate that there are still a few rational human beings as yourself, **QED**. I appreciate your viewpoint. I thought it would be obvious that I was agreeing in general, and not in specific. Like if someone says “George Bush is a liar” and I say “I agree” and then everyone jumps on me asking for proof that GWB is a liar??? I was just agreeing in general with Peter. Are you saying we’ve run into the “attack of the nitpickers” here? ---
**Author:** ![Muffin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muffin/32/4341_2.png) [@Muffin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Muffin)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 3:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/49 "2004-10-23T03:30:14Z")
> [@SnakeSpirit](#): > > I fully expected coming in to the pit that those who can’t keep up with me in GD would trash me – it’s their only opportunity, after all. :rolleyes: :smack: :wally ---
**Author:** ![wring](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/838e76/32.png) [@wring](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wring)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/50 "2004-10-23T03:54:39Z")
> [@SnakeSpirit](#): > > . > > All the trolls have come out of their holes, trolling about with baseless allegations. are you _seriously_ calling folks in this thread trolls? BWahahahhahahahahhahahahha. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 3:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/51 "2004-10-23T03:54:49Z")
> [@SnakeSpirit](#): > > You dumb dipshit. > Where the fuck do _you_ get off calling me a moron? Why, from the fact that I’m demonstrably more intelligent than you, of course. Read further for details! > [@](#): > > I’m still waiting for glee to speak for h self; all I allege is that he attributed Peter’s sayings to me. No, that’s not an allegation, it’s a fact. Only one I seen in this post so far. Wow, you _almost_ comprehended what I wrote! That’s so great! We’re all very proud, let me tell you! Unfortunetly, I threw in a couple big words that must have thrown you for a loop. That was mean of me, wasn’t it? Okay, I’ll break it down for you. See the part where I said “with deliberate malice”? _That’s_ the allegation. That **glee** attributed someone else’s words to you is not in dispute. How could it be? It’s so obviously true even _you_ spotted it! Now, you remember how I said there were two allegations in this thread, and only one of them was true? You do remember that, don’t you? Sure you do! You _are_ a bright lad, aren’t you? Have a biscuit. The reason that this allegation isn’t the true one is, and it’s important you pay very close attention here, _it’s completely fucking stupid._ First of all, people mistake who said what all the time on the boards. Probably happens every day, somewhere on the boards. It’s a commonplace error. Secondly, there’s no reason for **glee** to lie. She stands to gain nothing by it. Thirdly, there’s no way she’d get away with it. The post she quoted from is right there in that thread, with someone else’s name on it. If she had some nefarious, pit-worthy reason to try to fool people into thinking you’d said something you hadn’t, she’s going to get caught, no matter what. You’d have to be pretty stupid to think that would work. But then, that’s your speciality, isn’t it? ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 4:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/52 "2004-10-23T04:23:49Z")
> [@Miller](#): > > See the part where I said “with deliberate malice”? _That’s_ the allegation. That **glee** attributed someone else’s words to you is not in dispute. > > The reason that this allegation isn’t the true one is, and it’s important you pay very close attention here, _it’s completely fucking stupid._ First of all, people mistake who said what all the time on the boards. Probably happens every day, somewhere on the boards. It’s a commonplace error. It’s not a commonplace error. It happens either through carelessness or dishonesty. It takes effort to misattribute a quote. > [@Miller](#): > > Secondly, there’s no reason for **glee** to lie. She stands to gain nothing by it. So maybe my title was extreme. The OP gave h he option to explain, and since it seems like the “glee defense aeronautical brigade” has been activated with no show from glee, it makes it more suspicious that it may have been with malice. Prove me wrong! My encounters with glee have been not unpleasant, as I recall, and I even expressed doubt in the OP, and asked for an explanation, and an apology, which would be appropriate if it were an accident or deliberate. So what’s the beef, and why do you feel like you have to compare me to a dog and make other derisive comments? Shit, I’ve been pitted for much less than this! I got nothing personal against glee, but I think I deserve an explanation. It’s pretty obvious that you, and a few other hotheads, have something personal against me, however. If you’re gonna hold up the flag of integrity you might want to have some first. ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 5:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/53 "2004-10-23T05:21:21Z")
> [@SnakeSpirit](#): > > Please elaborate. If you are due an apology, you’ll get one. > How did I put words in your mouth? Be specific, and clear. Well, gosh, since I only posted twice on the [page I linked to](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281367&page=4), I don’t think it should be all that difficult to figure out. But to recap for the reading-impaired, you offered the Institute for Noetic Sciences as an example of legitimate paranormal recearch. I challenged that. You responded to my challenge by saying I’d admitted to not knowing anything about the INS. That was factually incorrect and not based in, well, reality. You have not returned to the thread. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 5:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/54 "2004-10-23T05:42:32Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Well, gosh, since I only posted twice on the [page I linked to](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=281367&page=4), I don’t think it should be all that difficult to figure out. > > But to recap for the reading-impaired, you offered the Institute for Noetic Sciences as an example of legitimate paranormal recearch. I challenged that. You responded to my challenge by saying I’d admitted to not knowing anything about the INS. That was factually incorrect and not based in, well, reality. You have not returned to the thread. Well, let’s take it here. You said: > [@](#): > > They have published no peer-reviewed papers, they have no independently confirmed results, and they are at their core victims of a begged question. I said: > [@](#): > > You admit you don’t know what they are doing. > Yet you’re ready to judge them. (Shit, you could have done this, since you were there already!) So I assumed you had no knowledge of the research they were doing. Maybe I was wrong in making an assumption, but how was I “putting words in your mouth?” I don’t yet see how I would owe you an apology, but even though I may be a lot of things people don’t like (too bad, assholes!), I do believe myself to be a person of integrity. Perhaps you can explain to me why I owe you an apology; I don’t see it. If I can see it, I’ll apologise, bet your sweet bippy! SnakeS Prhaps I was wrong to assume you knew nothing about them ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/55 "2004-10-23T05:44:35Z")
> [@SnakeSpirit](#): > > Prhaps I was wrong to assume you knew nothing about them Yes, you were. You said: > [@](#): > > You admit you don’t know what they are doing. I said nothing of the sort. My “admission” was purely a figment of your imagination. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 5:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/56 "2004-10-23T05:46:40Z")
> [@andros](#): > > Yes, you were. > > I said nothing of the sort. My “admission” was purely a figment of your imagination. So you _do_ know about the research they are doing? Or not? ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 5:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/57 "2004-10-23T05:48:36Z")
I’m happy to discuss it in some thread that’s not dedicated to calling **glee** names. ---
**Author:** ![Typo\_Negative](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/typo_negative/32/484_2.png) [@Typo\_Negative](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Typo_Negative)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 5:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/58 "2004-10-23T05:50:33Z")
> [@SnakeSpirit](#): > > It’s not a commonplace error. It happens either through carelessness or dishonesty. It takes effort to misattribute a quote. It takes effort if it happens through dishonesty. It takes no effort whatsoever if it happens through carelessness. I have misattributted before. There was no malice on my part, I can assure you. ---
**Author:** ![SnakeSpirit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snakespirit/32/7271_2.png) [@SnakeSpirit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SnakeSpirit)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/59 "2004-10-23T05:54:23Z")
> [@andros](#): > > I said nothing of the sort. My “admission” was purely a figment of your imagination. Oh, never mind, andros, I get it. You came out with a lack of cites, claiming a lack of reaserch, published papers, etc., I thought that meant that you had not examined the papers they have written, the research thay had done, their work with other resaerch facilities, and took that wrong. You are right. I owe you an apology. I apologise for misunderstanding, assuming and saying that your statement was an admission of lack of knowledge of IONS. (Not INS, BTW, as anyone who has seen their website should know.) ---
**Author:** ![andros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e480ec/32.png) [@andros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/andros)\ **Post date:** [October 23, 2004, 6:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551/60 "2004-10-23T06:40:22Z")
My bad. It’s been nearly 10 years. I had forgotten they called their entire organization IONS. I had remembered, incorrectly, that they merely called their magazine IONS Review because it sounded cool. I read every issue from 1989 until around 1994. But I do confess, I am entirely unfamiliar with their website. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/b-glee-b-you-lying-sack-of-shit/270551.md?page=4)