# Babywise: How Have You Escaped The Pit This Long? **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [June 7, 2004, 9:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181 "2004-06-07T21:39:04Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 16\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/61 "2004-06-10T13:50:03Z")
> [@Green Bean](#): > > They would swaddle up the babies papoose-style, and if they needed to keep them out of harm’s way for a little while, they’d just hang them on the wall. I don’t think they left them there all day or anything. I’ll bet Ezzo would approve of leaving your baby hanging on the wall between scheduled feedings.) Is it…wrong…that I"m laughing at the image of a bunch of kids hanging around like hams? If it’s wrong…I’m sorry…but I’m still laughing. ---
**Author:** ![ouisey](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/9fc29f/32.png) [@ouisey](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ouisey)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/62 "2004-06-10T16:47:55Z")
> [@Green Bean](#): > > Was that the book where the that describles how they used to swaddle the kids and hang them on the wall? (Actually, it’s not as odd as it may seem. No playpens in those days. They would swaddle up the babies papoose-style, and if they needed to keep them out of harm’s way for a little while, they’d just hang them on the wall. I don’t think they left them there all day or anything. I’ll bet Ezzo would approve of leaving your baby hanging on the wall between scheduled feedings.) I don’t remember anything about hanging children:), tho it makes sense to me. The book did talk about curing restless children by wrapping them up with their knees tight to their chins and booting them around the floor; or curing a whisperer by pinching their tongue in this cleft stick device that tied round their heads, with a sign attached to it stating “He whispers”. ---
**Author:** ![SanguineSpider](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e9a140/32.png) [@SanguineSpider](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SanguineSpider)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 5:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/63 "2004-06-10T17:17:07Z")
> [@alice\_in\_wonderland](#): > > You know those God-awful stories you here sometimes about children that lose it and off their parents? I wonder… What comes around goes around, it’s a never-ending cycle. This Ezzo fuck needs a bit of his own fucked-up medicine. Let’s “smack” or “pinch” him to teach him some manners and rules. I truly feel for any child raised this way. Babywise, my ass… let’s call it by it’s real name, EVIL. ---
**Author:** ![Liberal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/848f3c/32.png) [@Liberal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Liberal)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/64 "2004-06-10T17:34:03Z")
Linda Vester is doing a show on yet another baby to die of SNAHT. Well, he hasn’t died yet, but officials are trying to decide whether to pull the plug. This is as good a place as any to express my fucking disbelief. What the hell do people believe they might accomplish by jouncing an infant like a paint can in an agitator? ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/65 "2004-06-10T20:24:02Z")
What is SNAHT? Shaken Baby Syndrome? (That’s the only thing I can get from the context of what you said). What will they accomplish? My dad was once bouncing me over his head when I was but an infant. He received a face full of partially digested baby formula. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![tiny\_ham](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/a183cd/32.png) [@tiny\_ham](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/tiny_ham)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 8:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/66 "2004-06-10T20:43:38Z")
I was just going to say Guin, when I was small, my uncle thought it would be ‘funny’ to hold me by the ankles and shake me upside down after Thanksgiving dinner. BLUUURGGH ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/67 "2004-06-10T20:59:08Z")
[http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html](http://maddox.xmission.com/beat.html) Ezzo meet Maddox, Maddox this is Ezzo.\ Now the link, of course is sarcastic, but I immediately thought of this article when I read the OP. Enjoy ---
**Author:** ![Skywatcher](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/skywatcher/32/254_2.png) [@Skywatcher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skywatcher)\ **Post date:** [June 10, 2004, 9:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/68 "2004-06-10T21:07:19Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > What is SNAHT? Shaken Baby Syndrome? Going to Google doesn’t do anything other than prove that _any_ search will turn up porn. > [@](#): > > Free XXX Porn Pictures and Movies; Hot Nude Teens and Mature Women … - [Translate this page] > … FNaht gNaht hNaht iNaht jNaht licking kNaht lNaht mNaht! NNaht oNaht links pNaht > qNaht rNaht **sNaht** tNaht little. UNaht vNaht wNaht xNaht. YNaht lolitas zNaht. … ---
**Author:** ![MidnightRadio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@MidnightRadio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MidnightRadio)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/69 "2004-06-13T17:20:40Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > Then there’s [the Pearls](http://nogreaterjoy.org). > > Christ, these people are fucking sick. How else can a baby communicate, but by crying? He can’t say, “Hey bitch, get over here and change my diaper-now!” Those people are _fucked up_! I searched through their articles a little. Did you read the one where they call vegetarianism “Satanic”? ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 6:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/70 "2004-06-13T18:06:19Z")
When I was pregnant with my twins I read a lot about baby care - it gets overwhelming pretty quickly, but some of the information proved helpful. In particular, the growth spurt and how a baby’s feeding pattern will change in order to prompt the needed output from Mom. Isn’t is pretty obvious that a baby’s body has no way of knowing that it isn’t being breastfed, and therefore will vary the feeding demand even though it isn’t necessary? How on earth is a baby supposed to know that the milk supply is constant? And isn’t it pretty obvious that Mom’s letdown response to a baby’s crying means that a crying baby is supposed to be fed? I’ll never understand how people believe that our innate programming is wrong and should be overriden according to a philosophy that’s been around for a few centuries. If you want to delve into the belly of the ignorant beast, as it were, visit [here or any of the other threads therein](http://bbs.babycenter.com/board/baby/1197). I’m weary of arguing with these fools. One thing I don’t understand - when my kids cry, it’s always for a reason. It may take several tries before I find the reason, but eventually I do and they stop. How do people “know” their kids’ crying is meaningless? Or is this something I’ll encounter when they get a little older? ---
**Author:** ![kung\_fu\_lola](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/f4b2a3/32.png) [@kung\_fu\_lola](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/kung_fu_lola)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 6:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/71 "2004-06-13T18:13:19Z")
> [@fessie](#): > > I’ll never understand how people believe that our innate programming is wrong and should be overriden according to a philosophy that’s been around for a few centuries. In some of the cites provided about Babywise, it is stated that Ezzo doesn’t believe in “innate programming”, AKA “maternal instincts”. He says that only animals have instincts, and humans have no such thing. ---
**Author:** ![fessie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c37758/32.png) [@fessie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fessie)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 6:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/72 "2004-06-13T18:16:13Z")
> [@kung fu lola](#): > > In some of the cites provided about Babywise, it is stated that Ezzo doesn’t believe in “innate programming”, AKA “maternal instincts”. He says that only animals have instincts, and humans have no such thing. Well that’s just fucked up. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/73 "2004-06-13T18:31:11Z")
fessie, kids crying is never meaningless, but it isn’t always driven by NEED. Its sometimes driven by WANT, even when they are very young - and sometimes that WANT isn’t practical. A baby with a tummyache will cry hoping someone will take care of the tummyache (hey, I do too), but an instant cure for the tummyache may not be able to be provided, and there is no lasting hurt in not being able to meet your child’s every want (or even their every need). My daughter will cry (at four) because her brother gets to do something she doesn’t, because it isn’t her turn, because she lost at Hi Ho Cherry O, because her favorite dress is dirty and she can’t wear it to daycare, because she has to clean her room before she can go outside, because we aren’t having what she wants for dinner… And she cries because she is hurt, or tired, or needs attention. A balance needs to be achieved which varies by parent and child between meeting a child’s every whim, meeting their needs, and rationally evaluating their wants. Although Babywise is evil, I think the opposite end of the spectrum (which you’ll occationally find out there - people who never let their baby cry for even minutes without assuming the cry is a need for food and immediately put breast or bottle in the child’s mouth - and yes, babies will eat if they aren’t hungry for mere comfort - I had friends with a 35 lb one year old who’s doctor told them their child was in danger of lifelong obesity if they kept giving food on demand, give into every toddlers tantrum, and run their lives around their children) is, in the long run, no better for a child. ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 13, 2004, 11:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/74 "2004-06-13T23:07:31Z")
> [@MidnightRadio](#): > > Those people are _fucked up_! I searched through their articles a little. Did you read the one where they call vegetarianism “Satanic”? You’re shittin’ me? SATANIC? How so? That’s fucking insane! ---
**Author:** ![MidnightRadio](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/ecd19e/32.png) [@MidnightRadio](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MidnightRadio)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2004, 3:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/75 "2004-06-14T03:28:33Z")
> [@Guinastasia](#): > > You’re shittin’ me? SATANIC? > > How so? > > That’s fucking insane! [Here you go.](http://www.nogreaterjoy.org/index.php?id=25&backPID=17&swords=meat&tt_news=81) Morsels of wisdom: “Soybeans and pasta will kill you…” “Scripture throws a great deal of light on this Satanic doctrine of abstaining from meats.” ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2004, 12:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181/76 "2004-06-15T00:05:44Z")
Jesus, this guy’s arteries must be shaking their heads and rolling their eyes. C’mon dude, a carrot or two won’t kill you! Probably afraid Satan will shrivel up his weiner if he even looks at a vegetable. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/babywise-how-have-you-escaped-the-pit-this-long/249181.md?page=3)