# Bachelor in Paradise - Misconduct? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744 "2017-06-12T01:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ishamael69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@ishamael69](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ishamael69)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/1 "2017-06-12T01:19:08Z")
So, I don’t watch any of the bachelor shows at all. However, my understanding of them is a bunch of people partying and hooking up continually. So, Bachelor in Paradise has suspended production due to complaints by a producer of “misconduct”. The misconduct was apparently 2 contestants having some sort of sexual relations in a hot tub. Am I completely misinformed about these shows, because I thought that sort of thing was common and expected? ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 3:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/2 "2017-06-12T15:03:11Z")
Has to be more than just sex in the hot tub, to shut down production. I would guess some allegation of rape. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 3:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/3 "2017-06-12T15:07:21Z")
Saw something about this on the MSN website, no indication of nonconsensual interaction, just overly blatant and someone complained. ---
**Author:** ![ishamael69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@ishamael69](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ishamael69)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 7:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/4 "2017-06-12T19:18:31Z")
Okay, guess I should have waited… Sounds like the lady in the encounter was too drunk and did not remember anything happening until told by others later. ---
**Author:** ![Omar\_Little](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/omar_little/32/269_2.png) [@Omar\_Little](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Omar_Little)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 8:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/5 "2017-06-12T20:06:46Z")
Being too inebriated to consent is rape. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 12, 2017, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/6 "2017-06-12T20:25:24Z")
> [@Omar\_Little](#): > > Being too inebriated to consent is rape. Just [saw this](http://www.tmz.com/2017/06/12/bachelor-in-paradise-corinne-olympios-no-consent-sex-demario-jackson/) where they claim she claims she was too drunk for consent. And this part: > [@](#): > > As we reported, sources familiar with the footage say she appeared “fully engaged.” Corrine doesn’t fully blame DeMario because he too was drunk. She blames producers and has lawyered up. ---
**Author:** ![ishamael69](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/b9e5f3/32.png) [@ishamael69](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ishamael69)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 2:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/7 "2017-06-15T02:06:51Z")
A bit of righteous outrage here, I think… Also, can someone explain why I’m so drawn to this story? “Misconduct” no authorities involved Perp: My character has been assassinated News (Prior to her statement): _Victim’s name_ was involved Victim: I don’t even know what happened. Isn’t this pretty much the definition of, oh, what’s that word… Rape? Or at least sexual assault? Why does it seem to be being treated so casually? Shouldn’t the authorities be involved? Shouldn’t the perp be in jail or out on bail? Shouldn’t the crew be under investigation (by authorities) for allowing it (if they saw it live)? ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 1:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/8 "2017-06-15T13:19:40Z")
I’ve been expecting something like this to happen for awhile. Reality shows like The Bachelor provide alcohol, romantic locations, cast people eager to be on TV, and encourage everyone to let their inhibitions go. The crew films whatever happens. The raunchier it is, the better the ratings. I assumed that sooner or later charges would be made over what ever happened during filming. I guess a judge will be reviewing the unedited footage. > **['Bachelor in Paradise' cast members at center of allegations speak out](https://money.cnn.com/2017/06/14/media/corinne-olympios-bachelor-in-paradise-statement/index.html)** > > "Bachelor in Paradise" has been ensnared since last weekend in allegations of misconduct, and now the two contestants at the center of the matter have spoken out for the first time. It’s amazing these Reality Shows don’t generate more law suits. ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 1:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/9 "2017-06-15T13:28:15Z")
I get the impression at least two cast members are threatening law suits. There may be countersuits. The network has a new Reality Show right there. 😃 The Bachelor- Justice for All. ---
**Author:** ![PastTense](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pasttense/32/14550_2.png) [@PastTense](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/PastTense)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 1:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/10 "2017-06-15T13:55:11Z")
Existing thread: [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20279119](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=20279119) ---
**Author:** ![aceplace57](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/aceplace57/32/3500_2.png) [@aceplace57](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/aceplace57)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/11 "2017-06-15T14:03:44Z")
I didn’t see it. Thanks for letting me know. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 2:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/12 "2017-06-15T14:11:25Z")
Did the incident happen the US? I think these shows are filmed in Mexico, so Mexican law would apply. No? ---
**Author:** ![Grrr](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/grrr/32/146_2.png) [@Grrr](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Grrr)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 2:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/13 "2017-06-15T14:35:26Z")
My take away is: Two drunk people decide to have sex, and for some reason it’s the man’s fault. I hope that’s not what’s going on here. ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 2:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/14 "2017-06-15T14:40:59Z")
> [@Grrr](#): > > My take away is: Two drunk people decide to have sex, and for some reason it’s the man’s fault. > > I hope that’s not what’s going on here. It’s not clear what’s going on here at all. The complaint was about the producers to start with. The tabloids are going to sensationalize the story no matter what it’s about. The blurb i saw this morning said there was nothing terrible going on at all, and it’s on tape so one day we may find out. ETA: If not for a random encounter with a headline i wouldn’t have even heard of this show. Seems like this kind of thing was the whole point of the show. ---
**Author:** ![Lightray](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/lightray/32/391_2.png) [@Lightray](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lightray)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 2:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/15 "2017-06-15T14:46:26Z")
> [@TriPolar](#): > > … and it’s on tape so one day we may find out. _This_ is probably the crux of the problem: man and woman were super-drunk, and film crew kept on filming for the entertainment value despite that it should have been obvious that their judgment was impaired. The woman who lawyered up will probably have her lawyers arguing that the producers should have stepped in and stopped things. The producers will probably point to her contract, and suggest their role is not to be her babysitters. Whatever the case, it’ll be used for ratings-fodder. I expect a teary _People_ magazine cover shot, with her tragic story. ---
**Author:** ![DrCube](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/a3d4f5/32.png) [@DrCube](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrCube)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/16 "2017-06-15T15:16:51Z")
Do they really just roll film on people fucking in hot tubs? I would think explicit sex scenes are beyond even scummy reality shows. They aren’t pornographers. I really thought they would have stopped them and told them to take it to a private room if they were getting too hot and heavy. If only because they can’t air sex scenes anyway and they don’t want to be held accountable for whatever might happen during the hookup itself, as they currently are. Don’t they have lawyers? That’s before even getting into the consent aspect. ---
**Author:** ![John\_Mace](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/john_mace/32/185_2.png) [@John\_Mace](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/John_Mace)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/17 "2017-06-15T15:19:32Z")
Nothing like watching a bunch of Reality Show Rejects make complete fools of themselves. (There’s a Trump joke in there somewhere, but this is CS, so we’ll have to let that go.) ---
**Author:** ![yellowjacketcoder](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/4bbf92/32.png) [@yellowjacketcoder](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/yellowjacketcoder)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/18 "2017-06-15T15:27:41Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Do they really just roll film on people fucking in hot tubs? I would think explicit sex scenes are beyond even scummy reality shows. They aren’t pornographers. I really thought they would have stopped them and told them to take it to a private room if they were getting too hot and heavy. If only because they can’t air sex scenes anyway and they don’t want to be held accountable for whatever might happen during the hookup itself, as they currently are. Don’t they have lawyers? > > That’s before even getting into the consent aspect. I am ashamed to admit that back in my college days I’d watch some of the MTV (or related) “dating shows” for entertainment value. And by entertainment value I mean “watch trashy people make idiotic decisions on camera for negligible gain”. Those reality shows had no problem putting a blur on the screen when something clearly lewd was going on. I wasn’t sure if I was more surprised that the camera people kept filming or the participants didn’t mind having the camera watch from 2 feet away. I’m sure my 19 year old hormones didn’t care either way, and that’s really the target market for those shows. I haven’t seen the show in question, but I’m not at all surprised they’d keep filming while the couple starts getting it on. I am a little surprised they don’t intervene when a felony is occurring, but then the producers probably gave both the participants the alcohol and probably look the other way when some obvious misdemeanors are occurring, so I shouldn’t be surprised I suppose ☹ ---
**Author:** ![TriPolar](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/tripolar/32/3008_2.png) [@TriPolar](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TriPolar)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/19 "2017-06-15T15:34:54Z")
> [@DrCube](#): > > Do they really just roll film on people fucking in hot tubs? Still not clear what they were doing. I’m guessing at most this comes down to the producers filming someone too drunk to know what they were doing. The woman claims to be a victim in something she doesn’t remember happening, is she trying out for Attorney General or something? I’ll wait for some facts before drawing conclusions, but I think there’s a limit to what a consent clause in a contract can allow and it’s the producers who are at jeopardy here. ---
**Author:** ![muldoonthief](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/muldoonthief/32/3188_2.png) [@muldoonthief](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/muldoonthief)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2017, 3:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/20 "2017-06-15T15:47:27Z")
> [@John\_Mace](#): > > Did the incident happen the US? I think these shows are filmed in Mexico, so Mexican law would apply. No? Yes, it happened in Mexico. And everyone involved has returned to the USA. So for any criminal charges to occur, the alleged victim would have to return to Mexico, file a police report, and the Mexican govt. would have to request extradition of the alleged perpetrator. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744.md?page=2)