# Bachelor in Paradise - Misconduct? **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [June 12, 2017, 1:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744 "2017-06-12T01:19:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 5\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 4:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/41 "2017-06-16T04:50:45Z")
> [@Spice\_Weasel](#): > > Speaking from US law, it is my understanding that it’s impossible for two people to have sex if they are both incapacitated. Drunk sex is only rape if one of the parties is incapacitated, meaning physically incapable of consent. We’re talking complete disorientation, unconsciousness, or the inability to form words. If both parties are in this incapacitated state, sex ain’t happening. It seems to me the cultural gender bias is ameliorated by the legal definition itself. Incapacitated I agree with. I doubt this woman was incapacitated in that matter because others were around. I would hate to be wrong and those others allowed an incapacitated woman to be abused. ---
**Author:** ![Spice\_Weasel](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spice_weasel/32/5435_2.png) [@Spice\_Weasel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spice_Weasel)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 5:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/42 "2017-06-16T05:52:10Z")
If she initiated, I don’t think she could legally claim incapacitation. I think the point of incapacitation is that you can’t do anything. I’m also very skeptical that a camera crew sat around filming a man screwing an unconscious woman. My WAG is that they had normal drunk sex, some producer overreacted and then both parties began to question whether they’d been victimized. The money involved probably also shaped their view. ---
**Author:** ![actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/e79b87/32.png) [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/actualliberalnotoneofthose)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 7:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/43 "2017-06-16T07:11:58Z")
> [@madsircool](#): > > On the news this morning they played a vid clip of the woman in the pool with a man I believe is the same man involved in this incident. Other women were lounging around the pool. She quite voluntarily took off her top (on camera) and hugged him. The women were giggling. Of course, this doesn’t mean that she couldn’t be raped but it does show that she was down for some sexual activity. I’m not saying it’s not, but this sounds like what happened on the previous edition of the Bachelor. They may have just been replaying that clip to show who she was. I don’t even watch the show but I remember her being reality show famous for taking her top off and talking about her “platinum vagine.” ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 7:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/44 "2017-06-16T07:21:45Z")
> [@actualliberalnotoneofthose](#): > > I’m not saying it’s not, but this sounds like what happened on the previous edition of the Bachelor. They may have just been replaying that clip to show who she was. I don’t even watch the show but I remember her being reality show famous for taking her top off and talking about her “platinum vagine.” You could be right because I wasn’t paying close attention. ---
**Author:** ![I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/i_love_me_vol.i/32/521_2.png) [@I\_Love\_Me\_Vol.I](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/I_Love_Me_Vol.I)\ **Post date:** [June 16, 2017, 10:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744/45 "2017-06-16T10:39:19Z")
> [@aceplace57](#): > > It’s quite amazing it took The Bachelor this long to get into trouble. > > Fame hungry people + booze + hookups with strangers = big trouble > > They’ve been very lucky they got away with it for several seasons. This incident may cost them millions because both parties have lawyered up. Naaahhh… it won’t cost them any cash they haven’t already laid out. I’m sure they have insurance against such legal melees. However, once they need to actually cash in on that insurance they might have a lot of trouble finding a policy for the next show… at least for a premium that costs less than the entire franchise is worth (mild exaggeration, but still… it would probably be too steep to continue the show). [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachelor-in-paradise-misconduct/788744.md?page=2)