# Bachmann announces she's running **URL:** \ **Category:** Politics & Elections\ **Created:** [June 14, 2011, 1:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382 "2011-06-14T01:22:11Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/8edcca/32.png) [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Superfluous_Parentheses)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 9:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/61 "2011-06-17T09:42:45Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > So there it is, Dopers. NOT QUALIFIED TO RUN, or to even vote if I had my way. Invisible creatures speak to you, eh? Fasting for two days probably increases the chances quite a bit. Anyway, as an outsider, I find it increasingly difficult to think of _any_ criterion that would make someone unelectable as a republican POS - except possibly being an out-of-the-closet atheist. Even being homosexual wouldn’t be a real issue as long as you’re against SSM and publicly pray hard enough. ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 17, 2011, 11:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/62 "2011-06-17T11:37:37Z")
> [@Superfluous\_Parentheses](#): > > Fasting for two days probably increases the chances quite a bit. > > Anyway, as an outsider, I find it increasingly difficult to think of _any_ criterion that would make someone unelectable as a republican POS - except possibly being an out-of-the-closet atheist. Even being homosexual wouldn’t be a real issue as long as you’re against SSM and publicly pray hard enough. Yeah, I’ll agree with that. A popular Repub may be able to swing in with being “tolerant” with SSM or being homosexual, but atheist! “Oh! The theocracies will bomb us for sure”, say the tabloid readers! There’s plenty of voters who, I’m guessing, would feel quite a connection to someone who prays every day. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 6:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/63 "2011-06-27T18:55:27Z")
Once again, [Tarryl Clark](http://www.tarrylclark.com) is running for Bachmann’s Congressional seat. Is Bachmann running for both PotUS and re-election to the House, or is it an open seat? Be kinda funny if she loses both races… ---
**Author:** ![Merneith](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/57b2e6/32.png) [@Merneith](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merneith)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 8:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/64 "2011-06-27T20:59:36Z")
Bachmann confuses John Wayne with John Wayne Gacy. > **[Michele Bachmann News and Articles | Salon.com](https://www.salon.com/topic/michele_bachmann)** > > The latest and best Michele Bachmann news and articles from the award-winning team at Salon.com. Read more Michele Bachmann breaking news, in-depth reporting and criticism. Hey, I can’t count how many times I’ve made that mistake myself. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 9:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/65 "2011-06-27T21:29:33Z")
> [@Merneith](#): > > Bachmann confuses John Wayne with John Wayne Gacy. > [http://www.salon.com/news/michele\_bachmann/index.html?story=/politics/war\_room/2011/06/27/bachmann\_wayne](http://www.salon.com/news/michele_bachmann/index.html?story=/politics/war_room/2011/06/27/bachmann_wayne) > > Hey, I can’t count how many times I’ve made that mistake myself. She also confused “got tens of thousands of dollars in income each year” with “never recieved a penny”. [ > [@Michelle Bachman](#): > > The farm is my father-in-law’s farm. It’s not my husband and my farm. It’s my father-in-law’s farm. And my husband and I have never gotten a penny of money from the farm. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_BACHMANN\_FACT\_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-27-17-09-29](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BACHMANN_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-27-17-09-29)) [ > [@](#): > > THE FACTS: In personal financial disclosure reports required annually from members of Congress, Bachmann reported that she holds an interest in a family farm in Independence, Wis., with her share worth between $100,000 and $250,000. > > The farm, which was owned by her father-in-law, produced income for Bachmann of at least $32,500 and as much as $105,000 from 2006 through 2009, according to the reports she filed for that period. The farm also received federal crop and disaster subsidies, according to a database maintained by the Environmental Working Group. From 1995 through 2010, the farm got $259,332 in federal payments. > > When asked about the subsidies and her income from the farm late last year, a spokesman for Bachmann said only that she wasn’t involved in decisions about the running of the farm. > > Bachmann told The Associated Press on Monday that her husband became a trustee of the farm because his father had dementia before he died two years ago, and “oversees the legal entity.” > > “Everything we do with those forms is in an abundance of caution,” she said, insisting she and her husband receive no farm income despite the forms reporting it. ]([http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US\_BACHMANN\_FACT\_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-27-17-09-29](http://hosted.ap.org/dynamic/stories/U/US_BACHMANN_FACT_CHECK?SITE=AP&SECTION=HOME&TEMPLATE=DEFAULT&CTIME=2011-06-27-17-09-29)) So the farm is her father-in-law’s farm… her _dead_ father-in-law’s farm. And she never got any income from it, except for the income she did get. Hey! She and **RR** speak the same language! ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 27, 2011, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/66 "2011-06-27T22:12:12Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] :eek: You really think the American people would choose an idiot over a genius just because the economy sucks?! I would call that cynical if I were too young to remember 1980. [/QUOTE] You are kidding, right? For one thing, your concept of who is or isn’t an ‘idiot’ verse who is or isn’t a ‘genius’ is obviously politically oriented. Leaving that aside, though, the economy is everything in an election in the US. Presidential elections are all about what the economy is doing. If it’s doing well, or if the people perceive that it’s doing well or doing better then incumbents generally have a fairly easy time getting re-elected, no matter what they have been doing during their term. If the economy sucks, though, then it’s definitely an uphill struggle for an incumbent, unless people think that things are getting better or that the president is doing what needs to be done to improve the situation…and even then it can be a struggle. Look at most of the one term presidents out there and look at the state of the economy during their one term and I think you’ll see that most of them had fairly serious economic issues going on during their term, and that this was a major factor in why they only got a single term. Bachmann seems to be a loon to me, but you folks wishing and hoping that she gets the Republican nomination (presumably because you are under the impression that this will make Obama a shoe in for a second term) should perhaps consider that Obama is on pretty thin ice this election, especially if the economy stays flat or gets worse as some folks are predicting. She might get that nomination and end up the freaking president. Better to wish for a moderate candidate just in case. -XT ---
**Author:** ![Locrian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/locrian/32/14146_2.png) [@Locrian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Locrian)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 1:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/67 "2011-06-28T01:21:47Z")
And now she thanks John Wayne Gacy at her announcement! > **[Opinion: Michele Bachmann confuses John Wayne Gacy with The Duke](https://www.latimes.com/archives/blogs/top-of-the-ticket/story/2011-06-27/opinion-michele-bachmann-confuses-john-wayne-gacy-with-the-duke)** > > This article was originally on a blog post platform and may be missing photos, graphics or links. “Well what I want them to know is just like John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too,” Bachmann told a Fox News reporter. :D:D:D:D:D:D Oh, I hope she wins! I mean, what about all those flourescent light bulbs that are dangerous to pets, the disabled and infants? I mean, think of the children!! If you’re thinking of voting for this assclown, you should never be allowed to vote again. Of course, I said the same thing with Perot. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 11:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/68 "2011-06-28T11:31:04Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > She also confused “got tens of thousands of dollars in income each year” with “never recieved a penny”. > > Hey! She and **RR** speak the same language! Actually, when you and MSNBC need to play up the Gacy thing, you all just kind of sound desperate. (John Wayne the ACTOR actually did live in Waterloo, IA for a time.) But, it’s okay, man. Please keep thinking you can get Obama Re-elected with a 9% unemployment rate. Please keep discounting that there is real anger out there. Please keep living in denial. I’m an old man, I guess. I remember this song. Left wingers who said, it didn’t matter what a bag of fail Jimmy Carter was, Americans would never elect anyone as radical as Ronald Reagan. And please think you can make hay out of the fact that she and her husband took care of their sick father’s farm. Because, clearly, you know, Americans wouldn’t relate to that at all. So let me get this straight, the Snoboarder Bo view. Lie about servicemen committing attrocities. Lie about throwing your medals at Congress. Try to re-invent yourself as a hawk- PRESIDENTIAL. WOrk hard to save a family farm- NOT PRESIDENTIAL. Sorry, man, Bachmann scares me, but people like you will probably grease her path into the White House. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/69 "2011-06-28T11:39:06Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > And now she thanks John Wayne Gacy at her announcement! > > [http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/michele-bachmann-confuses-john-wayne-gacy-with-the-duke.html](http://latimesblogs.latimes.com/washington/2011/06/michele-bachmann-confuses-john-wayne-gacy-with-the-duke.html) > > “Well what I want them to know is just like John Wayne was from Waterloo, Iowa. That’s the kind of spirit that I have, too,” Bachmann told a Fox News reporter. You mean like Obama visiting 57 states? Or Biden saying that FDR went on TV during the Depression? (Incidently, John Wayne did live in Waterloo for a time.) > [@](#): > > Oh, I hope she wins! I mean, what about all those flourescent light bulbs that are dangerous to pets, the disabled and infants? I mean, think of the children!! You mean the bulbs that contain mercury? The ones that need to be treated as toxic waste? > **[Dangers of CFL Mercury Light Bulbs](https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/light-fingered/)** > > Rumor: Compact fluorescent light bulbs release dangerous amounts of mercury when broken. > [@](#): > > If you’re thinking of voting for this assclown, you should never be allowed to vote again. Of course, I said the same thing with Perot. :rolleyes: the thing is, they are ALL assclowns. Obama’s an assclown. Romney’s an assclown. The non-assclowns probably get fed up with the bs when they run for student council president. Personally, I wouldn’t vote for her, based on some of the things she’s said. But honestly, I wouldn’t bet money against her at this point. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 11:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/70 "2011-06-28T11:47:28Z")
The problem isn’t that the dear, sweet thing pitched in and helped her family run the farm while her father-in-law was dying (cue sappy music), it was that SHE DECLARED SIX FIGURES IN INCOME FROM THE FRIGGIN FARM and now claims that she has not personally benefitted from farm subsidies. If she’s going to play the sappy music loud while continuing to deny that this makes for a real issue, well, she’ll appeal to her base but independent voters will be very skeptical. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 11:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/71 "2011-06-28T11:48:26Z")
> [@Locrian](#): > > " > So there it is, Dopers. NOT QUALIFIED TO RUN, or to even vote if I had my way. Invisible creatures speak to you, eh? Why would anyone consider voting for this mess? > > What’s funny is, if we only had a space race again, I doubt people would be voting for “a fool for Christ.” > > I’m only really hoping that someone says the same thing, except they replace God and Jesus with Flying Spaghetti Monster. She’s a better example of a symbol of The Fall Of the GOPs than Palin ever will be. (At least O’Donnel was HOT, little chunky, but HOT!) 😃 Okay, guy, let me first qualify this statement by saying that I’m a non-believer (I don’t call myself an atheist because I can’t prove or disprove God one way or the other, but I have as much use for organized religion as organized crime.) One of the reasons I have no use for the GOP is because the religious crazies are taking it over. But 90% of Americans believe in some kind of higher power, and 80% of them believe in Jesus Christ. In fact, the reality is that the only thing that keeps us from having some sort of Christian based government is the various denominations distrust each other more than they distrust non-believers. Hell, even Obama has to PRETEND he believes in talking snakes. The scariest moment in 2008 for the plutocrats was when Huckabee won Iowa. He showed that you can win without bowing down to the altar of greed, just on the basis of the religious vote. So they went all out after the guy, settling on McCain when they couldnt’ sell Romney. Bachmann could win along a similar path, but there really isn’t a McCain for them to fall back on, and she mouths the “Tax cuts for rich people/less regulations” mantras with sincerity, so they figure they might be able to live with her. The biggest threat- AGAIN- is that if unemployment doesn’t come down, Obama is toast, regardless of who the Republicans run. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 11:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/72 "2011-06-28T11:50:32Z")
> [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](#): > > The problem isn’t that the dear, sweet thing pitched in and helped her family run the farm while her father-in-law was dying (cue sappy music), it was that SHE DECLARED SIX FIGURES IN INCOME FROM THE FRIGGIN FARM and now claims that she has not personally benefitted from farm subsidies. If she’s going to play the sappy music loud while continuing to deny that this makes for a real issue, well, she’ll appeal to her base but independent voters will be very skeptical. Independent voters will look at a 1.4 Trillion deficit and 9% unemployment and wonder why they have to wait until 2012 to show Obama the door. Seriously, you want to be the one who wants to make hay out of a sick father, go ahead. Normal people would be kind of aghast at that. ---
**Author:** ![Recovering\_Republican](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/d2c977/32.png) [@Recovering\_Republican](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Recovering_Republican)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 12:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/73 "2011-06-28T12:25:38Z")
> [@foolsguinea](#): > > Is it too much to hope that a Bachmann election and the subsequent Great Disaster would finally discredit the idea that pig-ignorant commoners can serve as an electorate? > > I suppose other systems are as likely (if not more) to put raving paranoids in power, come to think of it. > > Here’s hoping that more visibility makes her raving paranoia clear enough at the best time–whatever that ends up meaning. Wow, guy, statements like that just kind of show you to be an out of touch elitist. Hey, we got your enlightened, smart people in now. 9% unemployment. 1.4 Deficits. We are in a “Great Disaster” now. Bush deserves some of the blame, to be sure, but so does Obama. Bachmann is more like middle america than you want to admit. Frankly, four years ago, I could have voted for her and not blinked twice. Today, not so much, but another two years of this messed up Obama economy, and maybe I’ll revisit the issue. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 12:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/74 "2011-06-28T12:36:02Z")
Independents whose heads aren’t firmly up their asses will realize that Obama tried to address the largest contributor to the deficit, the Bush tax cuts, but the Republicans stonewalled. They will also realize that Obama didn’t introduce the Medicare prescription benefit, refuse to pay for it, and refuse to allow Medicare to negotiate drug prices. They will also realize that Bush started two wars but refused to pay for them. They will vote Republican if they believe that, against all evidence, cutting taxes for the rich will magically create jobs now even though they haven’t for the past decade. They will vote Republican if they will never become elderly and require Medicare in their declining years. They will vote Republican if they cling to silly topics like Obama’s 57 state gaffe, which has been [explained](http://www.snopes.com/politics/obama/57states.asp)in sufficient detail to penetrate all but the densest of skulls. I give Bachmann a pass on the John Wayne crap. She is a bit like the Duke, who was himself a bigoted piece of shit. ---
**Author:** ![a35362](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/3da27b/32.png) [@a35362](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/a35362)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 1:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/75 "2011-06-28T13:06:57Z")
Bachmann’s John Wayne goof was inconsequential, I agree. Kinda like Palin’s Paul Revere thing. Not to mention Clinton’s “…and I didn’t inhale” thing. :smack: Everybody makes mistakes. Ultimately I think candidates can be forgiven a lot if voters like them and trust them to have a clue about what is happening in the country and to know what they want to do about it. **RR** , are you saying you think Obama is really an atheist? ---
**Author:** ![Merijeek](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f05b48/32.png) [@Merijeek](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Merijeek)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 1:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/76 "2011-06-28T13:34:46Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Wow, guy, statements like that just kind of show you to be an out of touch elitist. > > Hey, we got your enlightened, smart people in now. You’re now arguing across five threads that Obama is toast in 2012. If it’s such a foregone conclusion, why do you keep stating the same things over and over? -Joe ---
**Author:** ![XT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/xt/32/456_2.png) [@XT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/XT)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 1:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/77 "2011-06-28T13:48:08Z")
[QUOTE=BobLibDem] They will vote Republican if they believe that, against all evidence, cutting taxes for the rich will magically create jobs now even though they haven’t for the past decade. [/QUOTE] Well, you seem to believe that raising taxes (on only those making over $250k/year of course) will magically fix the deficit and create jobs, so I guess the counter magical believe is just as valid. 😛 > [@](#): > > Independents whose heads aren’t firmly up their asses will realize that Obama tried to address the largest contributor to the deficit, the Bush tax cuts, but the Republicans stonewalled. But, you see, the Bush tax cuts WEREN’T the ‘largest contributor to the deficit’…the combination of two foreign wars and a total meltdown of our economy were larger contributors. And erasing the Bush Tax Cuts™ (for only the people making over $250k/year) isn’t going to somehow fix the problem and make everything right. Even if you got rid of ALL of the Bush tax cuts (which neither you nor the Republicans want to do, ironically enough) it wouldn’t magically fix the problem. I think most independents are going to understand that Bush got us into this mess. But that doesn’t mean that they are going to give Obama a pass…he’s had several years to fix the problem and the economy is only marginally better today than it was when he took office, with unemployment only slightly better. Taxing The Rich™ may play to his base, but it’s not going to fix the economy. I’m all for removing ALL of the Bush tax cuts, personally, but I know that this isn’t going to magically inject trillions of dollars back into the government and reduce the deficit, nor is it going to magically fix the economy. -XT ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 2:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/78 "2011-06-28T14:01:04Z")
> [@xtisme](#): > > Well, you seem to believe that raising taxes (on only those making over $250k/year of course) will magically fix the deficit and create jobs, so I guess the counter magical believe is just as valid. 😛 > > But, you see, the Bush tax cuts WEREN’T the ‘largest contributor to the deficit’…the combination of two foreign wars and a total meltdown of our economy were larger contributors. And erasing the Bush Tax Cuts™ (for only the people making over $250k/year) isn’t going to somehow fix the problem and make everything right. Even if you got rid of ALL of the Bush tax cuts (which neither you nor the Republicans want to do, ironically enough) it wouldn’t magically fix the problem. > > I think most independents are going to understand that Bush got us into this mess. But that doesn’t mean that they are going to give Obama a pass…he’s had several years to fix the problem and the economy is only marginally better today than it was when he took office, with unemployment only slightly better. Taxing The Rich™ may play to his base, but it’s not going to fix the economy. I’m all for removing ALL of the Bush tax cuts, personally, but I know that this isn’t going to magically inject trillions of dollars back into the government and reduce the deficit, nor is it going to magically fix the economy. > > -XT No, raising taxes for those making over $250K isn’t going to fix the deficit by itself. But that shouldn’t keep us from doing it. Look at [this chart.](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2011/05/20/bush-tax-cuts-debt_n_864812.html) Repealing ALL the Bush cuts would be a huge step in the right direction. The stimulus is but a blip on the radar compared to the tax cuts. The right wing keeps chirping the same mantra “you can’t raise taxes in a recession” as if it was true, but the converse which IS true “you shouldn’t cut government spending in an economic downturn” doesn’t get any play. ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 5:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/79 "2011-06-28T17:54:45Z")
> [@](#): > > Well, you seem to believe that raising taxes (on only those making over $250k/year of course) will magically fix the deficit and create jobs, so I guess the counter magical believe is just as valid. Raising taxes will do a lot more to fix the deficit than lowering them will. And based on the evidence of past history, it’ll at worst have no effect on job creation. ---
**Author:** ![joebuck20](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/74df32/32.png) [@joebuck20](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/joebuck20)\ **Post date:** [June 28, 2011, 6:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382/80 "2011-06-28T18:09:58Z")
> [@Recovering\_Republican](#): > > Independent voters will look at a 1.4 Trillion deficit and 9% unemployment and wonder why they have to wait until 2012 to show Obama the door. > > Seriously, you want to be the one who wants to make hay out of a sick father, go ahead. Normal people would be kind of aghast at that. Again who the hell here is criticizing her for helping take care of a sick relative? What people are making fun of her for is saying she never benefited from the farm when her own financial disclosure forms state otherwise. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bachmann-announces-shes-running/585382.md?page=5)