# Back to the Dollhouse: Season 2 Premiere ''Vows'' **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [September 25, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516 "2009-09-25T14:34:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/1 "2009-09-25T14:34:46Z")
Second season kicks off tonight. > [@](#): > > Six months after Alpha’s reign of terror and with him still on the loose, Echo now begins randomly picking up flashes of past engagements which hampers her latest assignment when she weds a British businessman client who has ties to one of Ballard’s open FBI cases. Meanwhile, Topher becomes the target of Dr. Saunder’s anger and aggression after she finds out that she is actually a former Active named Whiskey… imprinted with the real Dr. Saunder’s mind. Elsewhere, Boyd takes on a risky venture outside and mixes business with pleasure. Also, DeWitt makes Ballard an irresistible offer to join the Dollhouse as Echo’s handler. Ballard agrees, while slowly plotting to take down the Dollhouse and all affiliates from the inside to save Echo/Caroline whom he has apparently fallen in love with. Sounds convoluted, hopefully Whedon makes it work. It will be interesting to see where this season goes and if the series can stay on the air. ---
**Author:** ![CyclopticXander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@CyclopticXander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyclopticXander)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2009, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/2 "2009-09-25T15:37:40Z")
The buzz is that season 2 is much improved over the first, but I still don’t see a path to any sizable mainstream appeal. I’m just going to cherish this half-season that I’m painfully confident will be the last. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 1:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/3 "2009-09-26T01:12:18Z")
Whoa. Amy Acker is scary as hell! ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 1:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/4 "2009-09-26T01:13:37Z")
Is that Jamie Bambers actual accent? Oooh, and Helo’s glaring at them. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 1:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/5 "2009-09-26T01:18:55Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > Is that Jamie Bambers actual accent? > Oooh, and Helo’s glaring at them. Also, Helo evidently paid for Echo to get brainwashed into thinking she’s his partner. That is, ah … screwed up on many, many levels. As Boyd correctly noted. Whatever happened to this process being akin to murder, in Ballard’s eyes? ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/6 "2009-09-26T01:24:55Z")
Is that Alexis Denisof’s actual accent? ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 1:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/7 "2009-09-26T01:39:23Z")
Whiskey is so much more interesting than Echo. I want the show to be about her. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 1:40am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/8 "2009-09-26T01:40:44Z")
We need someone from Firefly to complete the Battlestar/Angel/Buffy/Firefly set. Let’s see: 3 people who have been in Angel 2 people who have been on Buffy 2 people who have been on Battlestar None from Firefly…hmmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Winkie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/41988e/32.png) [@Winkie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Winkie)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/9 "2009-09-26T01:45:01Z")
Well, there is Alpha / Wash for the Firefly connection - but he’s not a regular. ---
**Author:** ![Mr.Excellent](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/f19dbf/32.png) [@Mr.Excellent](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mr.Excellent)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 1:53am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/10 "2009-09-26T01:53:28Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Whiskey is so much more interesting than Echo. I want the show to be about her. Well, it sort of is - it’s very much an ensemble show. ---
**Author:** ![Annie](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/858c86/32.png) [@Annie](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 1:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/11 "2009-09-26T01:56:05Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > Whiskey is so much more interesting than Echo. I want the show to be about her. According to the opening sequence, Echo is the only character on the show :rolleyes: Who was Sierra suppose to be-Emma Thompson playing Jackie Kennedy? ---
**Author:** ![El\_Kabong](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/el_kabong/32/496_2.png) [@El\_Kabong](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/El_Kabong)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 2:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/12 "2009-09-26T02:19:50Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > We need someone from Firefly to complete the Battlestar/Angel/Buffy/Firefly set. > > Let’s see: > > 3 people who have been in Angel > > 2 people who have been on Buffy > > 2 people who have been on Battlestar > > None from Firefly…hmmmm… Summer Glau is scheduled to appear in at least two episodes. Meanwhile, holy crap, Amy Acker is one hell of an actress (I’ve never seen an episode of _Angel_). Too bad she won’t be in most of the eps this season. Ballard and DeWitt’s verbal sparring was pretty good too. Lord, I love this show. Total mind candy. ---
**Author:** ![Lakai](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/9de0a6/32.png) [@Lakai](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Lakai)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/13 "2009-09-26T05:55:33Z")
The missions are the worst part about this show. The show needs to find a way to do episodes with resorting to cheesy cliches about undercover agents bringing down rich arms dealers. > [@Mahaloth](#): > > Whiskey is so much more interesting than Echo. I want the show to be about her. The only reason Echo isn’t interesting is because she is a new person in every episode. If she had a stable character then she’d be just as interesting as every other stable character on the show. ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 6:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/14 "2009-09-26T06:27:21Z")
> [@Lakai](#): > > The only reason Echo isn’t interesting is because she is a new person in every episode. If she had a stable character then she’d be just as interesting as every other stable character on the show. Perhaps with this thing of Echo becoming a permanent composite–Alpha without the homicidally psychotic tendencies–Echo will be allowed to develop into a (rather complicated) character in her own right. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Controvert](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/dec6dc/32.png) [@The\_Controvert](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Controvert)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 6:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/15 "2009-09-26T06:43:13Z")
> [@Mahaloth](#): > > We need someone from Firefly to complete the Battlestar/Angel/Buffy/Firefly set. > > Let’s see: > > 3 people who have been in Angel > > 2 people who have been on Buffy > > 2 people who have been on Battlestar > > None from Firefly…hmmmm… By my count, Angel - Alexis Denisov, Amy Acker, Eliza Dushku Buffy - Eliza Dushku, Alexis Denisov, Felicia Day Battlestar - Tahmoh Penikett, Mark Sheppard, Jamie Bamber Firefly - Alan Tudyk, Summer Glau ---
**Author:** ![MEBuckner](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mebuckner/32/2896_2.png) [@MEBuckner](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MEBuckner)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 6:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/16 "2009-09-26T06:47:40Z")
Mark Sheppard was also in _Firefly_ as “Badger”. ---
**Author:** ![CyclopticXander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/59ef9b/32.png) [@CyclopticXander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CyclopticXander)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/17 "2009-09-26T14:37:45Z")
I am so happy they didn’t slow things down for new viewers, since newcomers had their chance to catch on for the entire first half of last season. They jumped right in, and it was “mind candy” indeed. Also, God love Amy Acker. ---
**Author:** ![pepperlandgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/f17d59/32.png) [@pepperlandgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pepperlandgirl)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/18 "2009-09-26T18:57:50Z")
> [@Annie](#): > > Is that Alexis Denisof’s actual accent? Yes. Weird, isn’t it? It sounds fake, but I think that’s because he did grow up in England. I love the show. I love the characters. I especially love that Alexis Denisof is back on my television. I have a serious crush on Ballard. I wasn’t going to let Joss do this to me again, but apparently, I’m weak and he knows how to push my buttons. ---
**Author:** ![Mahaloth](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mahaloth/32/1079_2.png) [@Mahaloth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mahaloth)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 8:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/19 "2009-09-26T20:09:29Z")
> [@The\_Controvert](#): > > By my count, > > Angel - Alexis Denisov, Amy Acker, Eliza Dushku > > Buffy - Eliza Dushku, Alexis Denisov, Felicia Day > > Battlestar - Tahmoh Penikett, Mark Sheppard, Jamie Bamber > > Firefly - Alan Tudyk, Summer Glau I meant in\* that \*episode. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/74df32/32.png) [@The\_Devil\_s\_Grandmother](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Devil_s_Grandmother)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2009, 8:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516/20 "2009-09-26T20:39:07Z")
I’m wondering when Topher is going to figure out he’s a Doll too. He gave Whiskey/Saunders his own unwillingness to leave the Dollhouse, re-enforced with a fear of crowds, light and noise. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/back-to-the-dollhouse-season-2-premiere-vows/511516.md?page=2)