# Backfire Take 2 - Could the MSM blow it? **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [October 31, 2006, 5:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609 "2006-10-31T17:59:56Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 1:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/42 "2006-11-01T13:50:38Z")
[WARNING: This Site is not Authorized !](http://newsbusters.org/) GIGO… sorry, I fail to comprehend the “substitute” line of argument. ---
**Author:** ![BobLibDem](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/boblibdem/32/3149_2.png) [@BobLibDem](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BobLibDem)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/43 "2006-11-01T14:15:02Z")
The premise of the OP is false. The media is not predominately liberal. Look how [CNN](http://mediamatters.org/items/200611010004) , not exactly renowned as a conservative mouthpiece, handled the story. > [@](#): > > Moreover, a Media Matters review\* of CNN’s live news coverage throughout the day on October 31 showed that, in reports airing on CNN Newsroom, Your World Today, and The Situation Room about Kerry’s remarks and criticism of them, at no point did any CNN anchor or guest note that an October 31 Associated Press report supports Kerry’s explanation for his remarks. In contrast, MSNBC host Chris Matthews read from the AP article during the October 31 edition of Hardball, noting that Kerry “opened his speech … with several one-liners, joking at one point that Bush had lived in Texas but now ‘lives in a state of denial.’ Then he said: ‘You know, education, if you make the most of it, you study hard, you do your homework and you make an effort to be smart, you can do well. If you don’t, you get stuck in Iraq.’” Matthews further described the White House’s characterization of Kerry’s remarks as a “violent interpretation,” Matthews and his crew on the whole do a decent job of evening out the coverage. It appears that CNN is drifting steadily to the right. There really isn’t a Democratic equivalent to FOX, so the notion that the media is biased to the left is without basis in fact. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 2:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/44 "2006-11-01T14:15:35Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] WARNING: This Site is not Authorized ! [/QUOTE] Actually, the site IS “authorized”, but by the [exact same people](http://www.mediatransparency.org/recipientgrants.php?recipientID=203) that “authorized” your other cites. There actually are partisan mouthpieces that FoS are not involved in, but you sure seem to have a hard time finding them. Heck, you might even stumble across an unbiased source if you weren’t so afraid of the MSM. ---
**Author:** ![GIGObuster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gigobuster/32/421_2.png) [@GIGObuster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/GIGObuster)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/45 "2006-11-01T14:18:37Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] [WARNING: This Site is not Authorized !](http://newsbusters.org/) GIGO… sorry, I fail to comprehend the “substitute” line of argument. [/QUOTE] Well no wonder you accept then the talking points of the right, you don’t want to analyze. The point of looking at sustitutes is to show very plainly that FOX, who claims fairness and balancing, replaces their “star reporters” with right wing Republicans. If the MSM was liberal or even Democratic it would then make sence to find the MSM putting openly liberals or Democrats in the news desks when the “star liberal” talking heads are not present. Because the MSM does not do that, it is really silly to call them democrat or even liberal, **they are not showing any support for their alleged “base” when strange substitutes with no liberal or democratic background step up to the microphone**. The MSM is not liberal or even Democratic, the MSM constantly moves to be fairer to the right wing positions, regardless if they are BS. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/46 "2006-11-01T17:38:19Z")
How come nobody wants to tell me who in the list of names in post #35 are likely to pull the Republican lever this year? Again, I know they aren’t liberal enough but still … ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/47 "2006-11-01T17:57:19Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] How come nobody wants to tell me who in the list of names in post #35 are likely to pull the Republican lever this year? [/QUOTE] Perhaps because a useless nonsense hijack in the middle of a useless nonsense thread might fracture the SDMB’s superstructure. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/48 "2006-11-01T18:02:02Z")
And rip the fabric of the space-time continuum… ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 6:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/49 "2006-11-01T18:03:55Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] How can you say that? I don’t even bother to click on most of the links so how am I supposed to know who you all are citing for all your “facts”? 🙂 [/quote] It’s very disconcerting to see you don’t care where information is coming from, or who might be it’s source. Seriously, if just as a favour to yourself, you should try and find out. > [@](#): > > Seems like I once asked for a list of authorized SDMB fact dispensers and I don’t recall seeing one. I guess it’s because unlike yourself people on the boards don’t use the media as “fact dispensers”. You can’t honestly say you watch/read your normal media sources and accept it all as fact, can you? Everyone analyses what they read; i’m sure you do too. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 6:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/50 "2006-11-01T18:26:02Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] [WARNING: This Site is not Authorized !](http://newsbusters.org/) [/QUOTE] Nor is [this](http://mediamatters.org/) one, but it is more credible than yours. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/51 "2006-11-01T18:43:33Z")
BTW, you should all check [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=394411) out. ---
**Author:** ![Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/9de053/32.png) [@Jackknifed\_Juggernaut](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jackknifed_Juggernaut)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/52 "2006-11-01T18:46:21Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] How come nobody wants to tell me who in the list of names in post #35 are likely to pull the Republican lever this year? Again, I know they aren’t liberal enough but still … [/QUOTE] I hope that none of them would pull a Republican lever this year. Considering that they’re in the Media, they’re presumably aware of current events in this country and around the world over the past few years. Plus, they’re all educated and can hopefully form a conclusion by applying logic and being rational, without bias or prejudice. What reason do they have to vote Republican? ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/53 "2006-11-01T18:51:50Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] BTW, you should all check [this](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?t=394411) out. [/QUOTE] You probably didn’t need to post that link in all **What the … !!!'s** threads. ---
**Author:** ![DMC](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/dmc/32/18049_2.png) [@DMC](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DMC)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/54 "2006-11-01T20:58:26Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] How come nobody wants to tell me who in the list of names in post #35 are likely to pull the Republican lever this year? Again, I know they aren’t liberal enough but still … [/QUOTE] My gun-toting, pro-life, small-government neighbor isn’t going to pull the Republican lever **this** year, but it’s not because he’s a liberal. As for which on that list would vote Republican this year? No clue. As for which on that list would vote Republican in any other year? No clue. I like that in my media-persons. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [November 1, 2006, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/55 "2006-11-01T21:48:58Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] You probably didn’t need to post that link in all **What the … !!!'s** threads. [/QUOTE] [chuckle] Didn’t I? ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2006, 10:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/56 "2006-11-02T10:48:18Z")
[QUOTE=BrainGlutton] Nor is [this](http://mediamatters.org/) one, but it is more credible than yours. [/QUOTE] And what makes it so? ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2006, 10:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/57 "2006-11-02T10:50:08Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] Perhaps because a useless nonsense hijack in the middle of a useless nonsense thread might fracture the SDMB’s superstructure. [/QUOTE] Be careful… I might start another thread. ---
**Author:** ![Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/8edcca/32.png) [@Hentor\_the\_Barbarian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hentor_the_Barbarian)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2006, 12:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/58 "2006-11-02T12:52:41Z")
[QUOTE=What the … !!!] Be careful… I might start another thread. [/QUOTE] I have no doubt that you will, no matter what I might do or say. I also have no doubt that it will be of your usual caliber. ---
**Author:** ![What\_the](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/f4b2a3/32.png) [@What\_the](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_the)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2006, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/59 "2006-11-02T17:08:57Z")
[QUOTE=Hentor the Barbarian] I have no doubt that you will, no matter what I might do or say. I also have no doubt that it will be of your usual caliber. [/QUOTE] Help me out… how could the OP have been made more worthy of intellectually honest debate. I suggested that a depressed base could be invigorated while a base that may not be getting a clear picture of things could be made complacent. Is it just that any suggestion the the MSM is left of the average American totally without merit?.. tell that to [Mark Halperin, the political director of ABC News.](http://hughhewitt.townhall.com/Transcript_Page.aspx?ContentGuid=1f133562-cfd3-40f8-af2f-129219d59c8d) Warning: The above link is at a site that automatically makes it unworthy to read for many of you. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2006, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/60 "2006-11-02T17:09:43Z")
Maybe about how the MSM covered up Kerry’s remarks in Pasadena the other day? ---
**Author:** ![Squink](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/b5e925/32.png) [@Squink](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Squink)\ **Post date:** [November 2, 2006, 5:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609/61 "2006-11-02T17:28:38Z")
[QUOTE=elucidator] Maybe about how the MSM covered up Kerry’s remarks in Pasadena the other day? [/QUOTE] Surely that’s a typo, and you meant [Boehner’s Remarks](http://www.cnn.com/2006/POLITICS/11/01/shifting.blame/)? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backfire-take-2-could-the-msm-blow-it/378609.md?page=4)