# Backseat Hitmen (Off limits to living Mafia players) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683 "2007-03-27T14:43:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 10
**Author:** ![fluiddruid](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/c2a13f/32.png) [@fluiddruid](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/fluiddruid)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/181 "2007-04-17T14:03:23Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] Yeah, I am not sure if TPTB will let us do that. When I asked for permission to start this thread they said it was fine as long as only one was going at a time. It’s too high traffic for the hampsters to deal with more than one it seems. But it is worth a shot at asking. A smaller one next time would be a very good idea though. [/QUOTE] Just wanted to poke my head in and let you all know that I’ve volunteered to help be a moderator contact for the mafia threads (being an avid spectator and all that). While there will be limitations on the number of simultaneous games, we can organize more than one. I know **NAF1138** stated earlier that he probably would not to start a new game right away, so I’m putting the call out - if you’d like to organize a game, please let me know (so I can make sure 15 people aren’t going to do it at once). Email’s in the profile, or PMs are fine as well. I just ask that someone let me have a slot in the next one. 🙂 We could conceivably start one before the current game is over, if interest is there. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/182 "2007-04-17T15:30:35Z")
[QUOTE=Fern Forest] Actually I guess the town isn’t so far behind. If the town started off with 9 mobsters and a SK then it was 26.3% scum. There have been 17 deaths, 4 of which were scum for a 23.5% score rate. Take out the mob hits on townsfolk and they are doing better then random killings are, but not by much. [/QUOTE] I think they’re finally getting suspicious of the right people, like **brewha,** **ArizonaTeach** , and **hocow** (I’ve long been convinced they’re all or at least most ofthem are scum, and their reactions to the accusations look like scum to me too). It looks like the wagon may get rolling on **brewha** , and if she is scum, I think the town will be okay. I also imagine that the SK will start targetting mafia again. You’re right; it looks kind of bad, but about half of the mafia are dead. > [@](#): > > What strikes me the oddest about the day I died was that no one really questioned pima’s assumption that I was the SK. A few wondered is the SK would play so openly but other then that nothing. Whereas to my eyes only the foolest of SK would play the role anywhere near the way I did. I suppose it’s possible to see me as a mobster but absolutely not the SK. > > I can think of 2 possible reasons. It’s possible are afraid of being bold and questioning what appears to be a town concensus. Standing up does seem to get people killed and so they were afraid to. Or they were looking for a leader, for part of the game that was you Blaster Master. And they just assumed that pima knew what he was going and accepted that. Well, pima did make reasonable arguments and, thanks to my shady math, I was inclined to believe it. Even with that, I didn’t have a good feeling about targetting you, I had a strong gut that you were town, but I couldn’t go against what I thought were such good odds. I also think you’re right about the town looking for a leader. My being pretty much confirmed, and posting a lot made it easy for the townspeoeple to follow me, and the mafia to hide in that wagon. I think in retrospect, having a town leader is a double-edged sword because of that; even worse if the leader is wrong. > [@](#): > > Even Auto as the GF. Sure it’s possible but what an unnecessary gamble to play. We could very well have lynched him on that day. > > Perhaps the town had had no other idea and was willing to let things roll on the chance that it was right. And so was the mafia. I think the mafia knew you weren’t the SK, because the only real reason for suspecting **Autolycus** as the GF was on the theory that you were the SK, had targetted him, the targetting failed, and were trying to breadcrumb me to target him. As I think I said above, in retrospect, I should have argued to lynch **Autolycus** as a test of both you and him and I should have targetted **hocow** or another likely mafia. Oh well… 20/20 and all that. ---
**Author:** ![panamajack](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/47e85d/32.png) [@panamajack](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panamajack)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 5:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/183 "2007-04-17T17:22:12Z")
I just realized something, but I won’t post it in the GQ thread because it’s sort of analysis of the game (I already screwed up there once by misreading the rules). The Beat Cop isn’t supposed to report if a pro-town power role is found, only that someone is a ‘citizen’ or other (anti-town like SK). This means that if the BC says ‘Citizen’, the might actually have shown up as a Mason, or another BC, etc. This complicates matters, meaning a ‘Citizen’ report isn’t as accurate as was previously thought (although it has the highest probability of being correct, and the SK read was the lowest). If this is a Mafia conspiracy with pima claiming cop, it’s being very well done. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 7:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/184 "2007-04-17T19:34:58Z")
[QUOTE=panamajack] I just realized something, but I won’t post it in the GQ thread because it’s sort of analysis of the game (I already screwed up there once by misreading the rules). The Beat Cop isn’t supposed to report if a pro-town power role is found, only that someone is a ‘citizen’ or other (anti-town like SK). This means that if the BC says ‘Citizen’, the might actually have shown up as a Mason, or another BC, etc. This complicates matters, meaning a ‘Citizen’ report isn’t as accurate as was previously thought (although it has the highest probability of being correct, and the SK read was the lowest). If this is a Mafia conspiracy with pima claiming cop, it’s being very well done. [/QUOTE] Well, obviously, if **pimaspinner** gets a detective, VIG, DOC, or mason reading, he should report it as precisely that, because it is known it is bogus. However, if he gets a GA, beat cop, or citizen reading, he should only say “town friendly”. I agree, that if **pimaspinner** is mafia, it’s well executed, but I can’t imagine them deliberately sacrificing another mafia member to pull it off. If she were faking, she would have been better off identifying a bunch of people she knew were likely to be town friendly. Of course, they may have thought it was worth it to trade a mafia member for several town lynches and the death of the doctor… but it doesn’t seem likely. I also imagine if **pimaspinner** were lying the other cop(s) ( **Menocchio** , perhaps) would have investigated **pimaspinner** last night to make sure and would have found a way to strongly FOS her. The fact that that didn’t happen seems to strongly suggest that **pimaspinner** is honest, and will die tonight; I can’t imagine the mafia leaving a cop alive on a hope that she’ll be lynched tomorrow, because it means one more identification, and then they’ll ALL still be confirmed the next day. ---
**Author:** ![Blaster\_Master](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/cab0a1/32.png) [@Blaster\_Master](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Blaster_Master)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 7:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/185 "2007-04-17T19:40:18Z")
Oh, and the **Queuing** wagon is very troublesome. I thought the town learned already from the **Enfant Terrible \*\* and Gadarene lynchings, along with the whole** chrisk \*\* FOS that resulted in the doctor being revealed, that stubbornness like that is likely not a scum tell. It’s even worse that several of the votes on him are high on my scum-dar. If they lynch him, I foresee bad things for the town. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/186 "2007-04-17T21:18:39Z")
> [@](#): > > Oh, and the Queuing wagon is very troublesome. I thought the town learned already from the Enfant Terrible and Gadarene lynchings, along with the whole chrisk FOS that resulted in the doctor being revealed, that stubbornness like that is likely not a scum tell. It’s even worse that several of the votes on him are high on my scum-dar. If they lynch him, I foresee bad things for the town. Agreed. I remain certain that he’s town. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/187 "2007-04-17T21:36:22Z")
Sign-ups for the new game are [here](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=8476380#post8476380)! ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 17, 2007, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/188 "2007-04-17T21:42:41Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] Agreed. I remain certain that he’s town. [/QUOTE] While I’d had my doubts about Queuing before–if I’d lasted longer all my FOS investigations would have surely found every town friendly role there was and not a single scum!–I’m leaning towards town now, too. Which makes things look poor for the town if this continues. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/189 "2007-04-18T17:27:26Z")
I am going to open up tonights night kill text to you, the loyal followers of this game. Submit your death scenes here or pm me, and I will chose my favorites to use for the actual kill. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/190 "2007-04-18T18:28:29Z")
_enters room and steals Winstons nachos_ ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/191 "2007-04-18T18:31:54Z")
_chortles to herself at the bite marks of “Mafia Karma” on MadTheSwine’s butt_ ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 6:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/192 "2007-04-18T18:41:44Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] _chortles to herself at the bite marks of “Mafia Karma” on MadTheSwine’s butt_ [/QUOTE] Not following ya here. Well ..looks like AZTeach just outed himself as mafia…hope they pick up on it ---
**Author:** ![FlyingCowOfDoom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyingcowofdoom/32/21776_2.png) [@FlyingCowOfDoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingCowOfDoom)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 6:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/193 "2007-04-18T18:43:20Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] Well ..looks like AZTeach just outed himself as mafia…hope they pick up on it [/QUOTE] Why do you say this? I don’t think I’m seeing what you are… –FCOD ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 6:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/194 "2007-04-18T18:44:33Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] _enters room and steals Winstons nachos_ [/QUOTE] Hey there Mad. So you really were town. 🙂 I hope that I did keep you in the game longer, by healing you back on night two. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 6:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/195 "2007-04-18T18:54:35Z")
[QUOTE=FlyingCowOfDoom] Why do you say this? I don’t think I’m seeing what you are… –FCOD [/QUOTE] His last post…just sorta pinged…oh I was away …i didnt get a chance to protect mad…i wouldnt have voted for him if i was here…conviently misses voting but shows up within minutes of the murder. Thats the way I read it anyhow. And TY Chrisk …ya mighta kept me alive,will have to wait and see. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/196 "2007-04-18T19:01:28Z")
[QUOTE=MadTheSwine] Not following ya here. [/QUOTE] Wayyyyy back in the first game (when you were scum, and I was town), the day of my lynching it came down to a vote race between you and I. A few folks were away from the game who could have potentially tipped the scale in my favor. Not that I’m bitter or vindictive or anything. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 18, 2007, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/197 "2007-04-18T19:05:01Z")
[QUOTE=ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies] Wayyyyy back in the first game (when you were scum, and I was town), the day of my lynching it came down to a vote race between you and I. A few folks were away from the game who could have potentially tipped the scale in my favor. Not that I’m bitter or vindictive or anything. 😃 [/QUOTE] Oh…you played in the first game? ---
**Author:** ![Fern\_Forest](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/71c47a/32.png) [@Fern\_Forest](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fern_Forest)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 5:25am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/198 "2007-04-19T05:25:42Z")
We might as well comment on both Mafia games. They’re so cute. So optimistic and bright eyed and ready to take on the world. I remember when we were like that. I wonder how long it will last. ---
**Author:** ![MadTheSwine](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/9fc29f/32.png) [@MadTheSwine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MadTheSwine)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 5:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/199 "2007-04-19T05:55:44Z")
[QUOTE=Fern Forest] We might as well comment on both Mafia games. They’re so cute. So optimistic and bright eyed and ready to take on the world. I remember when we were like that. I wonder how long it will last. [/QUOTE] Til about page 20 and then realizing ya gotta go back and read all that stuff again. Course there are only 20 players in the 3rd edition so it wont get to awful bad I wouldn’t think. I really didn’t want to get killed, but I damn sure didn’t wanna read through 60 pages of that mess. ---
**Author:** ![Autolycus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/22d042/32.png) [@Autolycus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Autolycus)\ **Post date:** [April 19, 2007, 6:57am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/200 "2007-04-19T06:57:14Z")
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