# Backseat Hitmen (Off limits to living Mafia players) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683 "2007-03-27T14:43:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 28
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/541 "2007-05-16T15:19:25Z")
Looks like my post one hour ago was bang on the money then. Well played all, a heroic effort **Queueing** … …and who wants to play pirates? 😃 ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 3:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/542 "2007-05-16T15:23:18Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] …and who wants to play pirates? 😃 [/QUOTE] Oh pick me! Me! MEEEEE! BTW the mafia boards link is up on the game page if anyone wants to check out the scum’s discussion. ---
**Author:** ![Pleonast](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/pleonast/32/1183_2.png) [@Pleonast](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Pleonast)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/543 "2007-05-16T15:26:13Z")
Wow, I was fooled to the end. Please include me in the Pirate game, if there’s space. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 3:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/544 "2007-05-16T15:27:24Z")
Well, then. That was a combination of tremendous fun and tremendously stressful. Well played to everyone, especially **Queuing,** who is the person ultimately responsible for the death of the SK and who I thought, right up to the end, was going to beat us somehow. I want to read this whole thread now - I can’t believe y’all managed to make it to 500+ posts! - but if, as appears to be the case, there is another game accepting registration, I would _really_ like to play again if there is room. ---
**Author:** ![FlyingCowOfDoom](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/flyingcowofdoom/32/21776_2.png) [@FlyingCowOfDoom](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FlyingCowOfDoom)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/545 "2007-05-16T15:30:50Z")
All morning I wanted to scream “WHERE’S KAT WHY ISN’T SHE VOTING FOR FRETFUL ARGGGGG@!#@!#@@#!#” Heh I guess it didn’t matter. A good game all around. I guess I can start working again now. –FCOD ---
**Author:** ![Rysto](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ecccb3/32.png) [@Rysto](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rysto)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/546 "2007-05-16T15:40:58Z")
[QUOTE=Aguecheek] My god. What _was_ he thinking? 😉 [/QUOTE] No fair. You tricked me into thinking that **storyteller** was town with that bet. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/547 "2007-05-16T15:42:25Z")
Well, I feel a little better about my blunders at this point… and I probably could have afforded to stay in without ruining my April, and without torpedoing the town any worse than they managed to do for themselves. 😃 And yet, I’m not really upset about asking to leave. This is a kinduv fun game to pop in and watch, but I’m not sure that I’d ever really enjoy playing it. _sigh_ One more try - anybody interested in [thread=417405]Haggling,[/thread] now that the werewolf mafia has taken over? 🙂 I really hope that we can run a different type of game simultaneously with mafia #3. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/548 "2007-05-16T15:50:43Z")
[QUOTE=chrisk] Well, I feel a little better about my blunders at this point… and I probably could have afforded to stay in without ruining my April, and without torpedoing the town any worse than they managed to do for themselves. 😃 And yet, I’m not really upset about asking to leave. This is a kinduv fun game to pop in and watch, but I’m not sure that I’d ever really enjoy playing it. _sigh_ One more try - anybody interested in [thread=417405]Haggling,[/thread] now that the werewolf mafia has taken over? 🙂 I really hope that we can run a different type of game simultaneously with mafia #3. [/QUOTE] I would be interested to try haggling. I said before I thought it was a fun idea. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 4:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/549 "2007-05-16T16:20:31Z")
Sweet Jeebus, that was quite the epic struggle, and I’ve barely been following it. Welcome out of the rabbit hole, everyone. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/550 "2007-05-16T16:26:22Z")
I don’t remember if I’ve said it, or just implied it (and we don’t have to look up post numbers in this thread!), but, damn, **NAF** , you sure did set up an interesting game; good job, and thanks a ton! It started out very paranoid and confusing, and ended in an interesting endgame that was well played by both sides. Cheers! [QUOTE=Rysto] No fair. You tricked me into thinking that **storyteller** was town with that bet. [/QUOTE] You think just because I’m a dead scum that I’m gunna start telling the truth all of a sudden? 😉 Although, I must admit, I did PM **brewha** after he died. It seemed like he really wanted to know the truth. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Queuing](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/q/90ced4/32.png) [@Queuing](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Queuing)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 4:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/551 "2007-05-16T16:42:07Z")
Well thank god that is over. This was the first game I have played, and I don’t think I will be joining another one anytime soon. I just don’t have the time, and now that I have a history here of talking so damn much, and being umm volatile (yeah thats what I will call it) I would guess people would find it suspicious one way or another if I actually shut-up. I just finished reading this whole thread, and I am glad that none of you were any better then the rest of us! :). The game was fun, but tiring. I didn’t think we had a chance once we lost our detective, yet we lasted and came close. I just can’t believe that I had a 50/50 chance of choosing correctly and was still wrong. Well I guess more of a 1/2 out of 2 rather then a 2/4 chance (I know it makes no real difference). I wa snot going to vote for Lakai today, nor would I have voted for Storyteller, even if I was becoming less sure of him. The post that I quoted from Storyteller in the game thread started me thinking that I was wrong, and that storyteller had played a brilliant game and was actually scum. I would have pushed for his death the next day if I had survived the night, and we had been right about Fretful. Thanks for being the Mod NAF. You did a good job. Personally I freaking hate the SK role. There are no tells that I can see, and I think we wasted a lot of time worrying about trying to get him. We should have just gone for scum. I wish I had more pull when I tried multiple times to get MM though. **Storyteller0910** I haven’t read the scum boards yet however I just wanted to say you are a freaking genius and I hope you planned all of those moves of yours, such as FOSing FCOD so early. ---
**Author:** ![Mtgman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b5a626/32.png) [@Mtgman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mtgman)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/552 "2007-05-16T17:21:38Z")
> [@Queuing](#): > > Personally I freaking hate the SK role. There are no tells that I can see, and I think we wasted a lot of time worrying about trying to get him. We should have just gone for scum. I wish I had more pull when I tried multiple times to get MM though. That’s interesting, considering **storyteller0910** gave you the credit for unmasking him by showing how low profile he had managed to be. It seems whatever tells he had were enough for you to pick up on. Enjoy, Steven ---
**Author:** ![Chronos](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chronos/32/134_2.png) [@Chronos](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chronos)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/553 "2007-05-16T17:26:45Z")
Oh. Good. Lord. That was completely out of left field. All I can say is, **storyteller0910** should be in politics. No, scratch that, he probably already _is_ in politics, and the rest of the world just doesn’t know about his mind-control rays. I am curious, though… Why did you let **Pygmy Rugger** die? I’m sure you could have swayed that vote elsewhere without looking suspicious. I suppose, given who you turned out to be, that it wasn’t really a risk (there was no chance at all for **storyteller** to get lynched, and very, very little for **Kat** ), but I would still think that the quicker win would be preferred. ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/554 "2007-05-16T17:29:37Z")
**Queuing** , you did good. I thought the Town were dead and buried from about Day three so well done everyone who made such a fight of it. 🙂 **storyteller0910** was the _what_? _blinks_ ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/555 "2007-05-16T17:30:44Z")
**Queuing** , you did good. I thought the Town were dead and buried from about Day three so well done everyone who made such a fight of it. 🙂 **storyteller0910** was the _what_? _blinks_ ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/556 "2007-05-16T17:34:30Z")
[QUOTE=Chronos] \ I am curious, though… Why did you let **Pygmy Rugger** die? I’m sure you could have swayed that vote elsewhere without looking suspicious. I suppose, given who you turned out to be, that it wasn’t really a risk (there was no chance at all for **storyteller** to get lynched, and very, very little for **Kat** ), but I would still think that the quicker win would be preferred. [/QUOTE] _thinking_ HEY! He’s right! Why did you let me die? True, it built up credibility for the endgame, but if we had lynched a town that day the game would have ended then! I think we decided the previous night that I was going to die anyway, based on the very close vote between **hocow** and myself the day before, and wanted **story** to orchestrate it. ---
**Author:** ![Santo\_Rugger](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e95f7d/32.png) [@Santo\_Rugger](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Santo_Rugger)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/557 "2007-05-16T17:35:42Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] **Queuing** , you did good. I thought the Town were dead and buried from about Day three so well done everyone who made such a fight of it. 🙂 **storyteller0910** was the _what_? _blinks_ [/QUOTE] You can say that again! **Queuing** did _well_. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![Fretful\_Porpentine](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/fretful_porpentine/32/2873_2.png) [@Fretful\_Porpentine](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fretful_Porpentine)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 5:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/558 "2007-05-16T17:38:27Z")
Well, that was … interesting. I think I played appallingly badly for the last three days or so, so I can’t blame **Lakai** and **Queuing** for lynching me. (And damn, I was sososo sure at the end that **Queuing** and **Aguecheek** were making precisely the same play that **storyteller** and **Pygmy Rugger** were. So close, and yet so far.) I’d like to play again, but in a smaller game – I think the size of this one made it impossible to keep track of everything that was happening. ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/559 "2007-05-16T18:17:53Z")
[QUOTE=Chronos] I am curious, though… Why did you let **Pygmy Rugger** die? I’m sure you could have swayed that vote elsewhere without looking suspicious. I suppose, given who you turned out to be, that it wasn’t really a risk (there was no chance at all for **storyteller** to get lynched, and very, very little for **Kat** ), but I would still think that the quicker win would be preferred. [/QUOTE] I can only speak for myself here, but: From the beginning of the game, I decided to play based on the idea that we (the Mafia) could win if even one of us survived. Ultimately, it doesn’t matter who that is and it doesn’t matter how fast the game ends - and it doesn’t matter if some of your players die. I knew that I could not be night killed (I was immune to both the SK and the Vig), so my goal was to make myself as unlynchable as possible. Leading the town attacks on **Pygmy** and **FCoD** accomplished that; if I had switched from **Pygmy** I don’t think that **Queuing** , **SbS** , or **Lakai** would have treated me differently than they did the other unknowns, but being that helpful that late made them treat me as confirmed. Plus, I wanted to have a good reason for everything I did, so that I could point anyone who challenged me on a vote or an FoS to my reasons. Ultimately, I tried to lie as little as possible, to analyze people’s posts honestly and thoroughly rather than to be deceptive for the sake of being deceptive. If you look at my early lists of trusted people, they are all actual townies. There was _evidence -_ evidence that I myself had presented - against **Pygmy,** whereas I _still_ can’t figure out why the heck everyone was so suspicious of **Lakai.** If I had switched from the one to the other, I would have had no good reason behind it, and that could have gotten me into trouble. btw - I think **Kat** kicked ass in that endgame. I genuinely _tried_ to find some kind of evidence that she was scum, and I _knew_ she was scum, and I could come up with _nothing._ She is Keyser Freaking Soze as far as I’m concerned. If she hadn’t done such a dead-on impersonation of a townie and had gotten caught on that last day, I’m not sure I could have survived (I’d have chosen to night-kill **Fretful** had that happened, by the way, and then tried to sell **Lakai** on killing **Queuing.** ). Reading this thread has been interesting. Seriously, can someone explain to me why **Lakai** seemed so scummy? ---
**Author:** ![storyteller0910](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecae2f/32.png) [@storyteller0910](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/storyteller0910)\ **Post date:** [May 16, 2007, 6:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/560 "2007-05-16T18:19:59Z")
[QUOTE=Pygmy Rugger] _thinking_ HEY! He’s right! Why did you let me die? True, it built up credibility for the endgame, but if we had lynched a town that day the game would have ended then! [/QUOTE] I think that this wasn’t the case, that we still needed two mislynches (this was before **brewha** died, so if we got one of them in that spot, we still would have needed one other). If I’m wrong about that, then you are definitely right; we should have switched at the last second to **Lakai** [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683.md?page=27) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683.md?page=29)