# Backseat Hitmen (Off limits to living Mafia players) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683 "2007-03-27T14:43:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 5:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/41 "2007-03-31T17:08:34Z")
Oh, that hurts. I did my best to try to steer the suspicion away from you once it became clear that there was a big push from certain parties to see you gone, but there was no turning back that tide. What you posted shortly after your lynching was a pretty good defense, too. So does the hot cheese/jalapeño revenge involve eating it, or dripping it onto people? Because it kind of sounds like some sort of bizarre torture method. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/42 "2007-03-31T17:15:00Z")
ok, I don’t know how many folks who would like to play are reading this thread, but I need a sub. One of the players feels that they don’t have enough time to devote to the game. If anyone wants to sub in, PM me. Fist come first served. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/43 "2007-03-31T18:31:44Z")
[QUOTE=CaerieD] Oh, that hurts. I did my best to try to steer the suspicion away from you once it became clear that there was a big push from certain parties to see you gone, but there was no turning back that tide. What you posted shortly after your lynching was a pretty good defense, too. So does the hot cheese/jalapeño revenge involve eating it, or dripping it onto people? Because it kind of sounds like some sort of bizarre torture method. [/QUOTE] Eating it, then locking my victims in the bathroom with me as nature takes it’s course. Of course, what are nachos without bean dip? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/44 "2007-03-31T18:58:09Z")
sub me! i’m sure a zombie wondering round town wouldn’t be at all suspicious 😉 what, No, you say? … ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/45 "2007-03-31T18:58:27Z")
Hi guys, thanks for saving some nachos for me. Here, I brought the margaritas. Who’s in? Sorry I distrusted you, **CaerieD** , and voted to lynch you, **ET**. I’m really bad at this game, it seems. I think the post that made me look suspicious was the one where I asked what each role has to gain by posting analysis. It was an honest question - and upon reflection, I wouldn’t have posted it if I had a power role. But a couple of people have said I didn’t post much. Honestly, I spent the whole morning catching up with the thread; posted my response (which was the ninth vote for friend ET) and the day was over. It wasn’t humanly possible for me to post more than I did! I’m half glad I’m out because now I can have my life back. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 7:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/46 "2007-03-31T19:17:03Z")
No hard feelings, **cowgirl**. Like I said in this thread earlier, I think my attempts to leave breadcrumbs made me come up as scum on a few people’s radar, which is why I think I was a VIG/SK kill rather than Mafia. Considering how intense this game is this time around, I was kind of relieved to get eliminated, too. I wish I could have managed just one more day since I think I could have cinched a townie win if I’d had a little more time, but I wasn’t too upset. The first day was absolutely crazy and I got nothing done all morning just trying to keep up. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [March 31, 2007, 8:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/47 "2007-03-31T20:05:52Z")
[QUOTE=One And Only Wanderers] sub me! i’m sure a zombie wondering round town wouldn’t be at all suspicious 😉 what, No, you say? … [/QUOTE] Hey you want back in? Its yours if you are serious. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 5:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/48 "2007-04-02T17:09:31Z")
Hell **cowgirl** , that thread is some sort of avalanche (e-avalanche? e-valanche?). I get dizzy when I look at it! ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/49 "2007-04-02T21:28:52Z")
I find it quite interesting that **Winston Smith** is pushing so hard for the day to move on, especially after the fiasco of the first lynching. I’m surprised more people aren’t suspicious of him. **Queuing** seems overly aggressive about lynching **Blaster Master** on fairly flimsy evidence. The biggest “clue” against **Blaster** would be that I refused to vote with him against **Enfant**. Man, watching this from the safety of this thread makes it increasingly obvious who is with the Mafia and who isn’t. I think one of the things that’s going to screw the townies up is that it looks like the Mafia are accusing each other and voting against one another, making it harder to out them by watching voting patterns. There are just too many shifting alliances going on. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/50 "2007-04-02T21:36:10Z")
[QUOTE=CaerieD] I find it quite interesting that **Winston Smith** is pushing so hard for the day to move on, especially after the fiasco of the first lynching. I’m surprised more people aren’t suspicious of him. **Queuing** seems overly aggressive about lynching **Blaster Master** on fairly flimsy evidence. The biggest “clue” against **Blaster** would be that I refused to vote with him against **Enfant**. Man, watching this from the safety of this thread makes it increasingly obvious who is with the Mafia and who isn’t. I think one of the things that’s going to screw the townies up is that it looks like the Mafia are accusing each other and voting against one another, making it harder to out them by watching voting patterns. There are just too many shifting alliances going on. [/QUOTE] I was wondering if it is easier to make calls when you are not in the game. To me the mafia are being blindingly obvious with one or two exceptions. But I don’t know if they really are or not. Who do you think is in the mob? ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 9:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/51 "2007-04-02T21:42:40Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] Hey you want back in? Its yours if you are serious. [/QUOTE] lol just saw this. I think JSexton will do a better job 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 9:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/52 "2007-04-02T21:47:05Z")
[QUOTE=NAF1138] I was wondering if it is easier to make calls when you are not in the game. To me the mafia are being blindingly obvious with one or two exceptions. But I don’t know if they really are or not. Who do you think is in the mob? [/QUOTE] My top choices for mob would be **Queuing** , **Gadarene** , **Pleonast** , **MadTheSwine** , and **Winston Smith**. There’s been some bickering and accusations between them, but I think it’s all been for show. **glee** has pinged on my radar, too. If I was in there now, I’d target **Queuing**. Strong player, highly suspicious, and it seems like he was prepared beforehand to try to discredit my breadcrumbs. **Blaster Master** has made similar mistakes to what I did and if he doesn’t get lynched I’m almost positive he’ll be offed in the night. He’s just giving away too much information without trying to obfuscate. I know exactly how tempting that is! Some of them seem terribly obvious to me and I have to wonder if it’s just wishful thinking on my part or if being embroiled in the middle of it all is making it hard for them to be rational. For a while there, I was wondering if you’d gotten creative and snuck in the secret role of “Village Idiot” for **Autolycus** , a player who has the goal of getting killed. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 9:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/53 "2007-04-02T21:55:35Z")
I almost did some stuff like that. I was going to put in a character that had a “quirk”, but no powers. But that sort of thing only works if all the roles are secret, and I decided early on that they shouldn’t be. I also almost put in the description the character of the “informant” who would pretend to be with the mafia and have access to the mafia boards and night votes, but would be working for the town. I wouldn’t have actually used the character, but I figured it would be good for the paranoia, make the mafia a little less sure of themselves. Then right before I clicked to post I decided it would make things too confusing. But maybe for next time. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 10:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/54 "2007-04-02T22:00:13Z")
Ooh, I like the idea of the Informant. I think that’d be a good one for a future game, now that people are getting some experience with a game that has so many different roles in it. It’s always nice to spread the paranoia! For larger games like this one, “Crazy Veteran” and types along those lines might be interesting, too; someone who seems to be a perfectly ordinary Citizen, until they’re killed and end up taking someone out with them. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 10:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/55 "2007-04-02T22:09:36Z")
yeah. And I was thinking make all the roles secret. No info but what the players find out when people die. This allows for cool false role claims. ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 10:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/56 "2007-04-02T22:52:12Z")
Hmm… I must admit, I’ve been checking every so often to see when my replacement would really get into the game. Definitely came out strutting a bit cocky, huh? Takin’ down names and everything. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 2, 2007, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/57 "2007-04-02T23:01:17Z")
[QUOTE=chrisk] Hmm… I must admit, I’ve been checking every so often to see when my replacement would really get into the game. Definitely came out strutting a bit cocky, huh? Takin’ down names and everything. [/QUOTE] Yeah, \*\*JSexton \*\* is nothing if not an entertaining player. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 12:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/58 "2007-04-03T00:27:16Z")
Looks like **Blaster Master** is going to be getting himself lynched real soon here. Should be interesting to see if he makes some sort of role claim and what the response is if so, since he’s getting pegged as the SK now. I’ll be particularly interested in the results of the night, though, as the game seems to be shifting gears a bit. **chrisk** - If it turns out you were the Godfather and handed that role over to **JSexton** , I’m going to laugh and laugh. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/838e76/32.png) [@One\_And\_Only\_Wanderers](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/One_And_Only_Wanderers)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 7:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/59 "2007-04-03T07:50:58Z")
Question Naf, If SK/Mafia target the same person, and that person is doc protected, do they still die as 2 kills \> 1 save? what if the doc and the angel were on them? ---
**Author:** ![chrisk](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/6de8d8/32.png) [@chrisk](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/chrisk)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 10:30am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/60 "2007-04-03T10:30:19Z")
[QUOTE=One And Only Wanderers] Question Naf, If SK/Mafia target the same person, and that person is doc protected, do they still die as 2 kills \> 1 save? what if the doc and the angel were on them? [/QUOTE] Our good mod has final ruling, but I interpreted that as a distinction between doc and angel powers. If the angel uses up his mojo and saves someone, they are SAFE, no matter how many bullets come at them in the night. (This presumably applies equally well if the doc picks that person too.) When the doc heals someone of a night, that’s good for 1 person trying to kill them, no more. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683.md?page=2) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683.md?page=4)