# Backseat Hitmen (Off limits to living Mafia players) **URL:** \ **Category:** The Game Room\ **Created:** [March 27, 2007, 2:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683 "2007-03-27T14:43:50Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/61 "2007-04-03T12:49:32Z")
Either **Auto** is trying to run for the **Winston Smith Award** or he’s one of the lone players… Methinks. I could rationalize why I think that way but I don’t wanna, and since I’m not playing, I don’t hafta! ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/62 "2007-04-03T14:38:55Z")
Either the our vanilla townies are going to finally start a good push against the Mafia or they’re going to get completely creamed in the next round. The problem I see is that it appears to be that a few players are setting up a false dichotomy. The Mafia is willing to lose a player if they have to, to give credibility to the rest of them, and that looks like exactly what they’re doing. “Lynch me or so-and-so. If one of us is Mafia, you’ll know the other isn’t!” Er…no. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/63 "2007-04-03T14:54:00Z")
[QUOTE=One And Only Wanderers] Question Naf, If SK/Mafia target the same person, and that person is doc protected, do they still die as 2 kills \> 1 save? what if the doc and the angel were on them? [/QUOTE] You are correct. 2 Kills 1 save, they die. I think this is really unlikely, but it could happen. Doc and Angel they would live. If the Angel used both of his protects on the same person they would live even if mafia, SK and Vig all targeted the same person. ---
**Author:** ![NAF1138](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/naf1138/32/3245_2.png) [@NAF1138](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NAF1138)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 2:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/64 "2007-04-03T14:55:08Z")
[QUOTE=chrisk] Our good mod has final ruling, but I interpreted that as a distinction between doc and angel powers. If the angel uses up his mojo and saves someone, they are SAFE, no matter how many bullets come at them in the night. (This presumably applies equally well if the doc picks that person too.) When the doc heals someone of a night, that’s good for 1 person trying to kill them, no more. [/QUOTE] This is basically correct. ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/65 "2007-04-03T18:39:15Z")
This game is getting quite exciting. I might even join up at [mafiascum.net](http://mafiascum.net) … of course, I would need to clear my schedule of my job and my social life first. It’s just like politics, but with killing! No wonder it’s so popular on this board. What the heck is up with **zuma** ’s obstinate refusal to acknowledge the two-pronged **Blaster Master** kill plan? I can’t wait until tomorrow! Go Town! ---
**Author:** ![cowgirl](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/8c91f0/32.png) [@cowgirl](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/cowgirl)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/66 "2007-04-03T18:48:08Z")
This all moves very quickly. I missed the chance to edit so I posted again to repeat this great post > [@FlyingCowOfDoom](#): > > I think we should discuss Blaster Master’s point. What do we do if there are only two kills tonight, and neither of them are zuma or Gadarene? > > I, for one, plan on crying. > > –FCOD which made me giggle with sympathy for my bovine brother. But after I posted that I went and refreshed and, wouldn’t you know it, > [@Pleonast](#): > > zuma is a Mason. there is definitely a need for crying. It’s even hard to keep up with this game as a spectator! ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/67 "2007-04-03T18:50:13Z")
**cowgirl** - Yeah, as disappointed as I am that I couldn’t do more to help the town, I’m relieved to not have to try to keep up with that thread except for my own entertainment now. I have to wonder how many of them are managing to eat normal meals and remember to sleep. It has got me thinking on how entertaining it would be if every thread was able to hold votes on which posters to lynch and permanently remove from the discussion, though. ---
**Author:** ![wonky](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/wonky/32/393_2.png) [@wonky](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/wonky)\ **Post date:** [April 3, 2007, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/68 "2007-04-03T18:59:19Z")
Holy mackerel. I just tried to glance at that thread to see how it was going and… holy mackerel. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/69 "2007-04-04T15:15:13Z")
:smack: It’s almost funny this is going so badly. I’m not even playing the game and I’d thought **Gadarene** was Mafia, though I would have gone for **Queuing** first. I don’t know whether to congratulate the Mafia players on a game well played so far, or hang my head in shame. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 3:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/70 "2007-04-04T15:15:19Z")
Man, apparently I’m just spectacularly bad at this game. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/71 "2007-04-04T15:17:51Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] Man, apparently I’m just spectacularly bad at this game. 🙂 [/QUOTE] I wouldn’t say that. More likely, Mafia players were orchestrating things so that they could then say, “See? Gadarene was a citizen, so I must be one, too!” I felt pretty dumb after I got killed on the second night, though, so you have my sympathy. At least we’ve got the nachos here and you don’t have to strain yourself keeping up with the game! ETA: Actually, looking at it now, I’m all the more convinced that **Queuing** is scum and was setting **Gadarene** up. If Queuing got lynched and was revealed to be scum, then Gadarene would be suspected next, and so an extra townie would still get offed. If Gadarene got lynched, then Queuing is no longer suspected. Now Queuing is safe and BM is obligated to leave him alone. Bah. ---
**Author:** ![Nava](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/da6949/32.png) [@Nava](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nava)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 3:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/72 "2007-04-04T15:21:55Z")
_hands Gadarene the nachos_ Wonder which is the longest SDMB thread ever. That one sure looks like a serious competitor from where I’m sitting. And to post in it anything coherent you actually have to keep up! ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/73 "2007-04-04T15:26:07Z")
I’d be stunned if **Queuing** was scum, honestly. Like I said in the thread (what? you didn’t read the whole thing?), in my opinion he and I were reasoning too much alike for him plausibly to be playing a role. Call me crazy—and I don’t know why no one’s stepped up and counter-claimed—but **Blaster Master** , **zuma** , **Pleonast** , **storyteller0910** , **sturmhauke** , and **glee** still leave a really bad taste in my mouth. The first two, at any rate, have just been unseemingly aggressive…and were way, _way_ too convinced that I was scum when I, y’know, actually wasn’t. (And I was playing the whole damn game in absolutely straightforward fashion! That’s what really cracks me up.) Anyway, hopefully their uppance will come. ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 3:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/74 "2007-04-04T15:37:25Z")
Well, I still can’t talk entirely freely about all of my suspicions and thoughts, since I had two nights to investigate and never made a role claim. As soon as somebody I investigated gets killed, I’ll be able to talk freely about at least one player. 😃 ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 4:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/75 "2007-04-04T16:10:38Z")
They really should have taken out\*\* storyteller \*\*. Then again, I’m probably wrong-o incorrect-o too on that one given Our Town’s disturbing tendency to execute the innocent while electing mafia on the town council… Ughhhhhhh… what a rush. ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 5:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/76 "2007-04-04T17:27:06Z")
From where does your suspicion of **storyteller** stem, **ET**? ---
**Author:** ![The\_Understander](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/3da27b/32.png) [@The\_Understander](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Understander)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/77 "2007-04-04T18:27:46Z")
[QUOTE=Gadarene] From where does your suspicion of **storyteller** stem, **ET**? [/QUOTE] Well, as he himself pointed out, he started the movement to kill me. While for most players that’s just part of the game, since I knew 100% that I was town, that pinged my spider-sense right away. His apology to me also seemed a bit _too_ apologetic, if you know what I mean–like he just was taking pains for people to know that he was not trying to lynch an innocent. Protest too much, yada yada. Add to that the fact that he’s been awfully quiet once the town splintered into a total catastrophuck–I can almost picture him smoking a victory cigar now as the town lynches yet another innocent–where’s all the analysis and help when it’s really needed? Things that make you go hmmm… ---
**Author:** ![Gadarene](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e47c2d/32.png) [@Gadarene](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadarene)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 8:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/78 "2007-04-04T20:28:25Z")
> [@](#): > > Add to that the fact that he’s been awfully quiet once the town splintered into a total catastrophuck–I can almost picture him smoking a victory cigar now as the town lynches yet another innocent–where’s all the analysis and help when it’s really needed? Excellent point, that. ---
**Author:** ![ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e9bcb4/32.png) [@ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ComeToTheDarkSideWeHaveCookies)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 9:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/79 "2007-04-04T21:00:22Z")
All I’ve gotta say is that there is no fucking way I’m reading through what has transpired since Thursday. Jesus H. Christ ---
**Author:** ![CaerieD](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/da6949/32.png) [@CaerieD](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CaerieD)\ **Post date:** [April 4, 2007, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683/80 "2007-04-04T21:05:19Z")
At this point, I think the best way to sum it up is, “And then they all went insane.” It’s like some sort of social experimental gone horribly, horribly wrong. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/backseat-hitmen-off-limits-to-living-mafia-players/397683.md?page=5)