# Bad bad guys **URL:** \ **Category:** Cafe Society\ **Created:** [October 25, 2015, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756 "2015-10-25T23:34:34Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/burpo_the_wonder_mutt/32/365_2.png) [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/burpo_the_wonder_mutt)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/21 "2015-10-26T02:48:05Z")
I have one semi-serious rebuttal re evil CEOs: Hank Scorpio (“The Simpsons” - _You Only Move Twice_). Did anyone NOT want to sign up with him and his organization? ---
**Author:** ![Kent\_Clark](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kent_clark/32/105_2.png) [@Kent\_Clark](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kent_Clark)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/22 "2015-10-26T02:54:08Z")
I nominate Dick Jones, the CEO of [Omni Consumer Products.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RoboCop_(franchise)#Omni_Consumer_Products) Omni was so evil, it managed to stay evil in the sequels! ---
**Author:** ![marshmallow](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/df705f/32.png) [@marshmallow](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/marshmallow)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/23 "2015-10-26T03:46:42Z")
It depends on what you want. There’s a curve of relatable evil going from the eight foot tall intergalactic warlord sitting on a throne of skulls to that bitch on the HOA board who has it out for you. The first one is fun escapism, but the last one you know as the true evil that keeps you up at night. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 3:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/24 "2015-10-26T03:50:21Z")
Toecutter from _Mad Max_ is a pretty lame villain, IMO. His gang as a whole was gang-y, but they’da been trounced by even the Orphans if they were in _The Warriors_ New York. They’da had to live in the sewers like chuds in The Duke’s New York. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 4:02am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/25 "2015-10-26T04:02:58Z")
I read the OP as bad as in incompetent bad guys. That coyote character can’t get anything going his way in trying to catch the roadrunner. For a different type of villain, Roy Batty from _Blade Runner_ was interesting–crushes his “father’s” skull with his hands, but then lets Dekkard live at the end. ---
**Author:** ![Snowboarder\_Bo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/snowboarder_bo/32/229_2.png) [@Snowboarder\_Bo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Snowboarder_Bo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 4:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/26 "2015-10-26T04:54:20Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > For a different type of villain, Roy Batty from _Blade Runner_ was interesting–crushes his “father’s” skull with his hands, but then lets Dekkard live at the end. Well, Batty’s fight was never with Deckard. True, Deckard’s fight was with replicants, and Batty was a replicant, but Batty was there seeking answers/vengeance from his maker/father. Once he accomplished that, he really had no further goals other than to survive. And when he realized and accepted that his survival was not just pre-ordained to fail but to fail imminently, he had no reason to kill Deckard. I definitely concur that he was an interesting, complex and utterly three-dimensional villain. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 5:14am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/27 "2015-10-26T05:14:50Z")
> [@Snowboarder\_Bo](#): > > Well, Batty’s fight was never with Deckard. True, Deckard’s fight was with replicants, and Batty was a replicant, but Batty was there seeking answers/vengeance from his maker/father. Once he accomplished that, he really had no further goals other than to survive. And when he realized and accepted that his survival was not just pre-ordained to fail but to fail imminently, he had no reason to kill Deckard. > > I definitely concur that he was an interesting, complex and utterly three-dimensional villain. But, if vengeance is a factor with Batty with his maker, I’d think he’d also be pissed at Deckard for killing snake lady and Pris, and directly contributing to Leon’s death. I do like that Batty’s complex, especially at the end: > [@](#): > > I’ve… seen things… you people wouldn’t believe. Attack ships on fire off the shoulder of Orion; I watched c-beams glitter in the dark near the Tannhäuser Gate… All those… moments… will be lost, in time, like [chokes up] tears… in… rain. Time… to die. Much better than the “Wilhelm Scream” that is a lot of villains’ last utterance. ---
**Author:** ![dasmoocher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/dbc845/32.png) [@dasmoocher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/dasmoocher)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 5:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/28 "2015-10-26T05:34:00Z")
YouTube video of the Roy Batty death scene, for those maybe not familiar with it: [![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/NoAzpa1x7jU/maxresdefault.jpg "Blade Runner - Final scene, "Tears in Rain" Monologue (HD)") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NoAzpa1x7jU) ---
**Author:** ![Alessan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/alessan/32/465_2.png) [@Alessan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Alessan)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 7:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/29 "2015-10-26T07:49:07Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > But, if vengeance is a factor with Batty with his maker, I’d think he’d also be pissed at Deckard for killing snake lady and Pris, and directly contributing to Leon’s death. True, but by showing mercy he finally achieved the humanity he sought, if only for a moment before he died. Batty may have been the film’s antagonist, but he was no villain. ---
**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 11:33am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/30 "2015-10-26T11:33:53Z")
> [@dasmoocher](#): > > I read the OP as bad as in incompetent bad guys, That’s one way to look at it, but I had more in mind the idea of “bad guys, either singularly or as a group, who you consider lame for one reason or another.” ---
**Author:** ![Kobal2](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/kobal2/32/20_2.png) [@Kobal2](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kobal2)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 11:39am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/31 "2015-10-26T11:39:29Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The Evil Nemiseses from Season 6 of _BtVS._ Face it, the only one that was really Bad was Warren. And even he was an incompetent jerk rather than a Force of Evil. And yet they managed to unleash Dark Willow upon the world. Which I think is/was the larger point : it doesn’t matter how grand the scale of evil, petty evil is still evil and has consequences on those being eviled upon. ---
**Author:** ![Chefguy](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/chefguy/32/138_2.png) [@Chefguy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Chefguy)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/32 "2015-10-26T14:22:34Z")
The series _Damages_ had a number of casting problems, as they kept putting comedians into dramatic rolls, i.e., Martin Short, Lilly Tomlin, etc. The worst was casting Darrell Hammond as a steely-eyed hit man call The Deacon. Are you frightened yet? I kept seeing him as Bill Clinton, no matter how hard he tried not to be. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/33 "2015-10-26T16:13:18Z")
> [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](#): > > I have one semi-serious rebuttal re evil CEOs: Hank Scorpio (“The Simpsons” - _You Only Move Twice_). Did anyone NOT want to sign up with him and his organization? That was the comedic genius of the episode. Homer was a redshirt for an evil-genius boss who was a genuinely likeable guy, who valued Homer’s contributions to the organization and who provided generously for his minions. Never been done before or since, I think. > [@Alessan](#): > > True, but by showing mercy he finally achieved the humanity he sought, if only for a moment before he died. > > Batty may have been the film’s antagonist, but he was no villain. Well said. The typical unstoppable badass of a villain would’ve killed Deckard without a moment’s thought. Batty, though, gained redemption at the end. ---
**Author:** ![Diceman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Diceman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diceman)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/34 "2015-10-26T16:31:25Z")
> [@Colibri](#): > > The bad guy in _Quantum of Solace_ even had the most boring evil scheme imaginable: To corner the water supply…_of BOLIVIA_! Mwuhhahhahahah! I give him points for having an attainable goal 🙂 In the original novel of _Goldfinger_, Goldfinger wasn’t going to blow up Fort Knox, he was going to steal all the gold. The movie, to its credit, lampshaded this by having Bond point out how totally unfeasible such a plan would be. I also kinda like that one Bond movie where the bad guy was a media magnate who was trying to start a war between the US & China because it would be a huge boost to his business. The sillyness with the stealth boat almost ruins it, but that guy was such an arrogant ass, that his death at the end ranks as one of the most satisfying movie villain demises I can remember. ---
**Author:** ![silenus](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/silenus/32/166_2.png) [@silenus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/silenus)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 4:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/35 "2015-10-26T16:32:25Z")
> [@Kobal2](#): > > And yet they managed to unleash Dark Willow upon the world. But Dark Willow was unleashed entirely by accident. Which makes the Bad Guy even more lame. Warren was aiming at Buffy when he shot Tara. He couldn’t even kill the right person. That makes him a very bad bad guy. By then Andrew and Jonathan were on the run from Darth Rosenberg. ---
**Author:** ![madsircool](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/madsircool/32/3432_2.png) [@madsircool](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/madsircool)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/36 "2015-10-26T20:23:29Z")
M Emmett Walsh’s character in Blood Simple. ---
**Author:** ![Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/ea5d25/32.png) [@Happy\_Scrappy\_Hero\_Pup](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Happy_Scrappy_Hero_Pup)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 8:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/37 "2015-10-26T20:44:23Z")
…Leroy Brown. Duh. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 8:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/38 "2015-10-26T20:52:23Z")
From _Sky Captain and The World of Tomorrow_, we go through a fairly exciting romp only to find: the evil genius has been dead for decades, and everything was simply automated. That was dissatisfying and a dull ending. ---
**Author:** ![Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/ba9def/32.png) [@Just\_Asking\_Questions](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Just_Asking_Questions)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2015, 9:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/39 "2015-10-26T21:40:41Z")
> [@Diceman](#): > > [Quantum of Solace]I give him points for having an attainable goal :). Well… I thought it was a useless plan. People NEED water. If he tries to sell it for too much, farming (or whatever is left up there), along with the people living there, will move. Then the market for overpriced water will, heh heh, dry up. Or, people will just steal it. Or the government will come in and nationalize you, wiping out your best laid plan. [It didn’t work in real life, either.](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2000_Cochabamba_protests) ---
**Author:** ![TBG](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/c89c15/32.png) [@TBG](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TBG)\ **Post date:** [October 27, 2015, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756/40 "2015-10-27T00:19:05Z")
> [@silenus](#): > > The Evil Nemiseses from Season 6 of _BtVS._ Face it, the only one that was really Bad was Warren. And even he was an incompetent jerk rather than a Force of Evil. That was intentional, as they were just there to set off the real big bad of the season. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-bad-guys/735756.md?page=3)