# Bad tippers. **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [March 8, 2009, 6:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747 "2009-03-08T18:29:08Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 4
**Author:** ![gang\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f07891/32.png) [@gang\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gang_green)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 3:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/61 "2009-03-09T15:36:42Z")
> [@glee](#): > > Here in England I have been tipping waiters / hairdressers etc who give polite service 10% for 40 years. > I realise the US sets expectations higher. > > But I don’t agree with this at all. Why do restaurants expect me to pay your living wages? What makes this profession so different? > Why don’t restaurant staff form a trade union to fight for a living wage? Restaurants in most states in the US are allowed to pay their tipped employees 40% less than minimum wage. If they changed that, they would have to increase the cost of the food, probably somewhere in the vicinity of that same 40%, to cover the higher wages. The current system works very well for the restaurants, since even if an employee makes less in tips one week and has to be compensated for that extra, they only have to compensate up to minimum wage. Good servers make quite a bit more than minimum wage. If tipping were abolished and all servers paid a wage commensurate with their ability and experience, you’d either be paying a lot more for your food or getting really crap service (or no service at all). Anyone who thinks waiting tables is easy should try it for a couple of weeks. It’s a very stressful, physically demanding job. Just because you don’t like tipping doesn’t mean you shouldn’t - heck, you pay for things you don’t approve of all the time in the form of taxes. Why should you penalize the person who worked hard to see that you had a pleasant dining experience? Because you don’t approve of the way they’re paid? Stiffing your server won’t do anything to change that, and will get you the reputation of a tightfisted asshole. ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/62 "2009-03-09T15:39:10Z")
I’ve worked as a server for five years at a casual dining restaurant, and let me tell you, the “verbal” tip is the worst. I appreciate praise, but I’d rather you be rude to me and tip me well than be all over my dick just to stiff me. ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 3:43pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/63 "2009-03-09T15:43:00Z")
> [@RedRosesForMe](#): > > Yes, minimum wage for servers is $4.19 an hour. It was $3.77 until January of this year. (Nothing against you, **Reply** , but you really didn’t know that?) Not in my state. I’d kill for that. Here, it’s $2.83 an hour. ---
**Author:** ![RedRosesForMe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RedRosesForMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRosesForMe)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 3:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/64 "2009-03-09T15:46:30Z")
> [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > Not in my state. I’d kill for that. Here, it’s $2.83 an hour. I swear to Og I thought that was the federal minimum. Seriously, Florida is not a generous state. ---
**Author:** ![Isamu](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/7c8e57/32.png) [@Isamu](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Isamu)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/65 "2009-03-09T15:48:10Z")
> [@RedRosesForMe](#): > > You’d end up paying for it somehow. If my restaurant had to suddenly pay even minimum wage (which is still a shit wage) for all its employees that now get $4 an hour, that would be an extra $200 a night, which ends up being an extra $73,000 a year. And my restaurant isn’t all that big, a place like Outback would probably have to shell out an extra $200,000 a year in better wages. And the restaurant isn’t going to do that out of the kindness of their heart, they’d jack up the menu prices to cover it. You think that’s something we don’t understand? We’d pay about the same price for our night out, and you’d have a regular salary and be able to plan for your life knowing you’d have a regular income. And you wouldn’t fall prey to the bad tipper that you hate so much. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/66 "2009-03-09T15:52:25Z")
> [@gang\_green](#): > > R > > Good servers make quite a bit more than minimum wage. If tipping were abolished and all servers paid a wage commensurate with their ability and experience, you’d either be paying a lot more for your food or getting really crap service (or no service at all). You know this attitude always bugs me. I am very sure that there are “non American” waitstaff on this board that would also get slightly offended. I have waited before, my father was a barman, my mother a waitress (all in New Zealand) to say that any of us did less than our level best to serve our customers to the best of our ability is just plain wrong. And tipping in New Zealand is rare, unless your waiter goes above and beyond in some way - in which case $10 - $20 on a meal is more than adequate. Today, when we go out as a family (anywhere from 3 - 6 people) we normally spend in the $120 - $250 range. We take around an hour to eat. At 20% that’s $50 per hour (for the upper range). To me that’s a BIG tip, even at only 4 tables a night (which would be REALLY low for these restaurants) the server would be making around $200 + wages. Hell - I would throw in my 60 hour a week, uni grad job for that in an instant. ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/67 "2009-03-09T15:56:33Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > Hell - I would throw in my 60 hour a week, uni grad job for that in an instant. Would you? There’s really no room for growth in a restaurant unless you want to be the manager. Also, the included benefits wouldn’t be that great. In my restaurant, we didn’t have any health coverage at all. Sure, the money _could_ be good, but would you really walk away from a well established job to wait tables? Would that make you satisfied in life? There are professional waiters out there, and they make enough money to live comfortably.. but ask them if this is where they could see themselves 10, 15 years ago. ---
**Author:** ![RedRosesForMe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RedRosesForMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRosesForMe)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/68 "2009-03-09T16:02:02Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > You know this attitude always bugs me. I am very sure that there are “non American” waitstaff on this board that would also get slightly offended. > > I have waited before, my father was a barman, my mother a waitress (all in New Zealand) to say that any of us did less than our level best to serve our customers to the best of our ability is just plain wrong. And tipping in New Zealand is rare, unless your waiter goes above and beyond in some way - in which case $10 - $20 on a meal is more than adequate. > > Today, when we go out as a family (anywhere from 3 - 6 people) we normally spend in the $120 - $250 range. We take around an hour to eat. At 20% that’s $50 per hour (for the upper range). To me that’s a BIG tip, even at only 4 tables a night (which would be REALLY low for these restaurants) the server would be making around $200 + wages. Hell - I would throw in my 60 hour a week, uni grad job for that in an instant. Let me explain something again. It’s in my OP. You see a server during the dinner or lunch rush most often, unless you make a habit of eating at 3PM and 10PM. You don’t see the nights when no tables come in after 8:30. Or the afternoon where from 2-5 there’s no one. Or if your restaurant opens at 11 but no one wants to eat until noon. It happens. Often enough. So yes, during the dinner rush your server probably made a lot of money. But there are many hours during the week when s/he has no tables, or one table. And there are many nights where a server will be lucky to make $40 (Monday nights are the worst). If servers made consistently fantastic money, a lot of people would throw in their uni grad jobs for that. But people don’t. That’s because for every great night you have, you have a shit night where you stand around bored and make nothing. ---
**Author:** ![Gus\_Gusterson](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/85f322/32.png) [@Gus\_Gusterson](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gus_Gusterson)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/69 "2009-03-09T16:06:45Z")
> [@aaslatten](#): > > I also have a hard time with the “Europeans don’t understand tipping” thing. I realize they don’t generally tip in Europe, but since when are Europeans with the means to travel that unsophisticated? When I was 22, I traveled to Europe and managed to find out all sorts of neat information from travel books before I even arrived. I’m an American and I go to Ireland once or twice a year. I _know_ that tipping isn’t customary in Ireland, but I can’t _understand_ it. I almost always leave at least 10%. One time I left 30% for particularly outstanding service. I know it’s not expected, but I can’t not leave a tip. Now look at it from the point of view of a European in the US. He’s not used to tipping. When he does tip, it’s a small amount (10% or less). He knows that 15-20% is the expected tip in the US, but that’s _twice_ what he’s used to tipping when he gives anything at all. Sure, if he travels to the US frequently and has lots of money he’ll get the hang of it. But the average European probably can’t see why he has to pay extra for his meal when he’s already paying what the menu said it would cost. He doesn’t tip the bartender in his local because the bartender gets paid a real wage. Do the guidebooks explain the reasoning behind tipping in the US? Probably not, so he doesn’t know that the bartender in the hotel bar depends on tips to make up for his sub-minimum wage salary. He just thinks the guy is looking for a handout. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:11pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/70 "2009-03-09T16:11:04Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > You know this attitude always bugs me. I am very sure that there are “non American” waitstaff on this board that would also get slightly offended. > > I have waited before, my father was a barman, my mother a waitress (all in New Zealand) to say that any of us did less than our level best to serve our customers to the best of our ability is just plain wrong. And tipping in New Zealand is rare, unless your waiter goes above and beyond in some way - in which case $10 - $20 on a meal is more than adequate. > > Today, when we go out as a family (anywhere from 3 - 6 people) we normally spend in the $120 - $250 range. We take around an hour to eat. At 20% that’s $50 per hour (for the upper range). To me that’s a BIG tip, even at only 4 tables a night (which would be REALLY low for these restaurants) the server would be making around $200 + wages. Hell - I would throw in my 60 hour a week, uni grad job for that in an instant. What, you don’t like the implication that waiters use to justify tips (or tipping at all) that they are lazy good for nothings who won’t do their job without a tip and for a mere wage… Yeah, I find that odd myself. ---
**Author:** ![ShibbOleth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/848f3c/32.png) [@ShibbOleth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ShibbOleth)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/71 "2009-03-09T16:12:15Z")
> [@RedRosesForMe](#): > > I swear to Og I thought that was the federal minimum. Seriously, Florida is not a generous state. From the US Department of Labor: > [@](#): > > What is the minimum wage for workers who receive tips? > > The Fair Labor Standards Act (FLSA) requires payment of at least the federal minimum wage to covered, nonexempt employees. An employer of a tipped employee is only required to pay $2.13 an hour in direct wages if that amount plus the tips received equals at least the federal minimum wage, the employee retains all tips and the employee customarily and regularly receives more than $30 a month in tips. If an employee’s tips combined with the employer’s direct wages of at least $2.13 an hour do not equal the federal minimum hourly wage, the employer must make up the difference. > > Some states have minimum wage laws specific to tipped employees. When an employee is subject to both the federal and state wage laws, the employee is entitled to the provisions which provides the greater benefits. From the Tampa Tribune: > [@](#): > > TAMPA - The minimum wage across the state goes up 42 cents Thursday, from $6.79 to $7.21 per hour, thanks to a constitutional amendment Floridians approved in 2004 that created a statewide minimum wage. > > The new wage applies to all workers across the state who are covered by the federal minimum wage law. The federal government also sets a minimum wage, but Florida’s is higher, so according to federal law, Florida’s wage rate prevails. > > That will end, however, in July, when the federal minimum wage goes up to $7.25 and the federal wage will prevail. > > The wage rules are a little different for workers who rely on tips. As of Thursday, which is Jan. 1, they are to receive a direct wage of $4.19. That is the state minimum wage minus a $3.02 “tip credit.” By law this information should be posted in an easily accessible spot in your work place. ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/72 "2009-03-09T16:14:09Z")
> [@RedRosesForMe](#): > > If servers made consistently fantastic money, a lot of people would throw in their uni grad jobs for that. But people don’t. That’s because for every great night you have, you have a shit night where you stand around bored and make nothing. Agreed, agreed, agreed. So far, I’ve been reading about “the math.” “Hey, at six tables per hour, of the course of a six-hour shift, making $10-15 per table.. that’s a lot of money!” Hmm? And what about the shifts where management schedules 10 servers when a huge rush is expected, leaving them with a few tables each? Oh, right.. you send some home, of course, so that the remaining servers make more money. Ok, so then the servers that get cut don’t make jack shit, and the ones that stayed on don’t make much either since it’s a slow night to begin with. There are good nights, and there are bad nights. Hell, there are bad nights even if the tips are good.. you might just not be getting a lot of tables. It’s those people that don’t tip, because they feel the “system is wrong” that irk me. I don’t much agree with it either, but that’s how it is. It’s the custom, it’s how servers make their money, it’s the nice/right thing to do. No one is going to ridicule or chastise you for leaving a decent tip. ---
**Author:** ![gang\_green](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/f07891/32.png) [@gang\_green](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gang_green)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/73 "2009-03-09T16:18:17Z")
> [@bengangmo](#): > > You know this attitude always bugs me. I am very sure that there are “non American” waitstaff on this board that would also get slightly offended. > > I have waited before, my father was a barman, my mother a waitress (all in New Zealand) to say that any of us did less than our level best to serve our customers to the best of our ability is just plain wrong. And tipping in New Zealand is rare, unless your waiter goes above and beyond in some way - in which case $10 - $20 on a meal is more than adequate. > > Today, when we go out as a family (anywhere from 3 - 6 people) we normally spend in the $120 - $250 range. We take around an hour to eat. At 20% that’s $50 per hour (for the upper range). To me that’s a BIG tip, even at only 4 tables a night (which would be REALLY low for these restaurants) the server would be making around $200 + wages. Hell - I would throw in my 60 hour a week, uni grad job for that in an instant. As you say, you worked in a country where tipping isn’t the norm. Here, it is. And were you being paid the absolute minimum wage for your efforts? Did you get pay increases for doing good work? The only way a server in the US gets a raise is if the minimum wage increases. In the US, your server is making whatever tips you feel like leaving. I waited tables for over three years, and I don’t recall ever receiving a paycheck, as opposed to a void slip. All of my income was in the form of tips. My restaurant had tip share (or tip out), so 3% of my sales went to support non-tipped employees that the restaurant claimed as tipped in order to save money. On several occasions, I went home with less than $10 to show for a night’s work. Most servers don’t work your usual M-F, 8-5 job, they don’t receive any health benefits, and don’t get sick days. If you can’t make a shift, you’re expected to find someone to cover or you’re AWOL, and can be fired. What serving does offer is flexible hours and the possibility of making more than minimum wage. My feeling is, if you don’t approve of tipping, don’t go anywhere that expects it. The restaurant management doesn’t care if you stiff the server, and your little rebellion against their system is hurting only the server. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/74 "2009-03-09T16:34:42Z")
> [@Hi\_Neighbor](#): > > Would you? There’s really no room for growth in a restaurant unless you want to be the manager. Also, the included benefits wouldn’t be that great. In my restaurant, we didn’t have any health coverage at all. Sure, the money _could_ be good, but would you really walk away from a well established job to wait tables? Would that make you satisfied in life? There are professional waiters out there, and they make enough money to live comfortably.. but ask them if this is where they could see themselves 10, 15 years ago. Yep - but my cultural perspective is a bit different. You see in New Zealand we have universal, state-provided healthcare, we have a minimum wage (which depending on your persepctive and attitude is livable), we have a universal retirement benefit so there are different things working for you. I remember at around age 16 working for (1990 or so) working for a little over $4.00 an hour in the local convenience store, I worked on the forecourt of the local service station for $5.00 per hour, at the local hotel I was the “gofer” - this one was $10 per hour. Oh - and right now my job is not really well established - I have just spoken to my local Casino about rejoining them - I do quite genuinely love the “service line” more so than client servicing (consulting). So while I may not want to be a “waiter” the rest of my life, I would not have too much problem “waitering” for the rest of my life (maybe as proprietor of my own small bar or similiar) ---
**Author:** ![RedRosesForMe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RedRosesForMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRosesForMe)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/75 "2009-03-09T16:37:03Z")
Just to give you an idea of how bad it can be when it’s bad, so you don’t think servers are making more than you. One of my former coworkers worked a particularly slow lunch shift, which is 10-2 at my restaurant. She made $7. That’s it. That’s not even $2 an hour. And I used to work Monday lunch, and I would regularly make about $15. So almost $4 an hour. ---
**Author:** ![sugar\_and\_spice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@sugar\_and\_spice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugar_and_spice)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/76 "2009-03-09T16:38:09Z")
> [@RedRosesForMe](#): > > **Dangerosa** , you shouldn’t tip me 20% to make up for someone who didn’t tip me, you should tip 20% because it’s standard. I know, some people still think 15% is enough for good service, and less than that for bad. But you’re talking to someone who has been tipping 20% for a decade. If I give someone 15% it means I thought she was a really bad waitress. So if I get 15%, I assume I didn’t do a good job. Then I think about how hard I worked for that table. Then I conclude you’re cheap. I won’t call you an asshole in the kitchen, and I won’t bitch to my coworkers about you. I’ll just think you’re cheap. Tipping 15% is offensive now? At a mid-range restaurant? (I’m guessing, from the prices you mention.) I can get behind “if you can’t afford the tip then stay home.” May times I do in fact stay home. So would you rather someone stay home, or come to your restaurant and tip 15% but otherwise be typical customer? ---
**Author:** ![RedRosesForMe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/91b2a8/32.png) [@RedRosesForMe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedRosesForMe)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/77 "2009-03-09T16:40:14Z")
> [@sugar\_and\_spice](#): > > Tipping 15% is offensive now? At a mid-range restaurant? (I’m guessing, from the prices you mention.) > > I can get behind “if you can’t afford the tip then stay home.” May times I do in fact stay home. So would you rather someone stay home, or come to your restaurant and tip 15% but otherwise be typical customer? If you reread that post, you’ll see I specifically said I won’t call you an asshole. I’ll just think you’re cheap. I’ve tried to explain my mentality, and my friends’ mentality, about tipping (established long before I started waiting tables). I’m in my 20s. Most 20-somethings I know tip 20% consistently. So if _I_ were to leave someone a 15% tip, it would mean that s/he was a bad server. Like I said, there seems to be some reluctance among the older crowd (and they get more and more reluctant the older they are) to accept the standard has been raised. ETA: Whoa, when I first read that post, it said asshole. ---
**Author:** ![bengangmo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/50afbb/32.png) [@bengangmo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bengangmo)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/78 "2009-03-09T16:40:48Z")
> [@sugar\_and\_spice](#): > > Tipping 15% is offensive now? At a mid-range restaurant? (I’m guessing, from the prices you mention.) > > I can get behind “if you can’t afford the tip then stay home.” May times I do in fact stay home. So would you rather someone stay home, or come to your restaurant and tip 15% but otherwise be typical customer? Or to put it a different way - would you rather have somebody sitting at an \*\*otherwise empty table \*\*and tip 10% or not make any tip at all? ---
**Author:** ![Hi\_Neighbor](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/hi_neighbor/32/494_2.png) [@Hi\_Neighbor](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Hi_Neighbor)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/79 "2009-03-09T16:44:28Z")
> [@sugar\_and\_spice](#): > > Tipping 15% is offensive now? At a mid-range restaurant? (I’m guessing, from the prices you mention.) > > I can get behind “if you can’t afford the tip then stay home.” May times I do in fact stay home. So would you rather someone stay home, or come to your restaurant and tip 15% but otherwise be typical customer? I don’t share the view that 15% is sub-standard. In fact, that’s what I’d be shooting to earn, even with exceptional service. My cutoff would be around the 10% mark. Servers tipping other servers goes two ways. Most servers tip a large percentage when they dine out, because they understand the effort that goes into it. Others, like me, are far more critical on other servers, having been in the business myself. I also know what it takes to be a good server, and if my drinks aren’t being refilled, or other simple aspects of just decent service aren’t being provided, then I’m not going to tip as well. Also, I don’t have that system where I don’t tip under a certain amount, no matter what. Well, I shouldn’t say that.. I’d tip a dollar no matter what, but it definitely sends a message that something wasn’t right. ---
**Author:** ![sugar\_and\_spice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/e8c25b/32.png) [@sugar\_and\_spice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/sugar_and_spice)\ **Post date:** [March 9, 2009, 4:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747/80 "2009-03-09T16:44:47Z")
> [@RedRosesForMe](#): > > If you reread that post, you’ll see I specifically said I won’t call you an asshole. I’ll just think you’re cheap. > > ETA: Whoa, when I first read that post, it said asshole. Regardless, my 2nd question was genuine. Would you rather people stay home, or would you rather they come in, be polite, and then leave a 15% tip? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747.md?page=3) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bad-tippers/488747.md?page=5)