# BadChad, a moment of your time, if you can spare it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2006, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158 "2006-09-18T12:14:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 18
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/341 "2006-09-19T18:42:16Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] You are the one who labeled yourself a Christian, are you not? We can make at least a few assumptions based on that can’t we? If you’re being misunderstood about what you believe, I think it is only because you have been keeping your beliefs very private. From the outside it almost seems as if you wish to be misunderstood. Again, how about a statement of your beliefs so as to end all this confusion? [/QUOTE] Sure, but not many. You can assume I follow the teaching of Jesus Christ as I understand them. What more could you assume? Can you assume I keep the Sabbath on Sunday? Not if I’m a Seventh Day Adventist. Can you assume I believe the world isn’t ending, that these are _not_ the Bibilcal end times? Not if I’m a Jehovah’s Witness. Can you assume I believe the sacrament of baptism can be administered after death? Maybe I do if I’m LDS. Can you assume I believe in a human, corporeal head of the Church? I do if I’m Catholic. Can you assume I celebrate Christmas in December? No, because I may be Eastern Orthodox. “Christian” covers a lot of ground, and it is foolishness to make anything but the broadest of assumptions on that label. Which is the point: You feel absolutely comfortable attacking _all_ Christians and _all_ Christianity based on what they _must_ believe (IYO), when in fact you don’t _know_ what they believe. If you’ve been paying attention, you know I’m a Methodist. You would be safe in assuming my beliefs are pretty mainline UMC, since I’m a pretty mainline member. You can find more information about the church [here](http://www.umc.org/site/c.gjJTJbMUIuE/b.505357/k.98B7/About_Our_Church.htm). My beliefs don’t distill neatly down to a single statement of faith, sorry. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/342 "2006-09-19T18:42:49Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] By which I assume you admit that you do not know what I believe? And you admit that you do not know that what I believe is hateful and irrational? And you admit that this statement: “We’re just saying that what you Jodi in particular believe is irrational, and sometimes hateful” is something you pulled out of your ass, correct? [/QUOTE] I, for one, thought that christians believe what christ said. I’m just asking for clarification. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/343 "2006-09-19T18:45:22Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] Well actually I think I do know enough of what you believe. I just want to have you state your beliefs so as to end any confusion. Why do you want this confusion to continue? Also you misquoted me. [/QUOTE] Why on earth would I want to invest my time and energy ending your confusion? ---
**Author:** ![coffeecat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/coffeecat/32/3405_2.png) [@coffeecat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/coffeecat)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/344 "2006-09-19T18:46:53Z")
> [@A review of the movie "Facing the Giants"](#): > > When the coach advised the kid to stop bad-mouthing his father and get right with God, the boy said, "You really believe in all that honoring God and following Jesus stuff?.. Well, I ain’t trying to be disrespectful, but not everybody believes in that."To which the coach replied: “Matt, nobody’s forcing anything on you. Following Jesus Christ is the decision that you’re going to have to make for yourself. You may not want to accept it, because it’ll change your life. You’ll never be the same.” I’m sure all the atheists here understand why that’s such a piss off, but in case one just flew in from Mars, _it is grossly offensive to tell someone that they believe what they do because they’re too lazy, cowardly, or stupid to see your self-evident truth_, and the more effort they’ve put into their opinions–the wiser and more thoughtful a person they are–the more offensive such a statement is. It’s obnoxious no matter which side does it, and “You believe in God because you can’t be bothered rejecting the dumb ideas that were burned into your brain as a child” is just the flip side of “You don’t accept Christ as Lord because you don’t want to have to follow an objective moral code, when you can stay as you are and pat yourself on the back for doing whatever you want.” ---
**Author:** ![What\_Exit](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/what_exit/32/10652_2.png) [@What\_Exit](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/What_Exit)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/345 "2006-09-19T18:48:46Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] … FWIW, I’m against the war in Iraq; I think Bush is an idiot; I think drugs should be legalized; the two party system should be abolished; I like guns; and I hate taxes. [/QUOTE] Sure now you are just trying to suck up to the rest of us like some sort of Two-party politician. \*Oh dude, I am sorry, that is the worst thing I every said to anyone of the Board. \* Jim 😉 ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/346 "2006-09-19T18:50:39Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] You can assume I follow the teaching of Jesus Christ as I understand them. [/quote] Could you be a little less vague? [QUOTE=Jodi] What more could you assume? [/quote] Can we assume you believe Christ miraculously rose from the dead? Can we assume you believe in life after death? Can we assume you believe Jesus to be one and the same as the creator of the universe? Can we assume Jesus as better things in store for believers than non-believers, or good people than bad people, after death? What are your beliefs about hell? ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/347 "2006-09-19T18:52:11Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun] I, for one, thought that christians believe what christ said. I’m just asking for clarification. [/QUOTE] Well, since the four gospels do not recount the same events using the same language, and Jesus probably did not say the same thing two or three times, in slightly different language, I think the strictest answer to this would have to be “No.” These are authors 75 to 100 years after the fact recounting things they have heard, observed, or have been taught. Do most Christians, including myself, believe that the four gospel, taken together, contain the teachings of Christ, as given by Christ? Sure. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/348 "2006-09-19T18:53:04Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] My beliefs don’t distill neatly down to a single statement of faith, sorry. [/QUOTE] In other words, any shit that comes to mind constitutes your beliefs (for the duration of that post, at any rate) and that you believe that SOME of your creed is based on the “word of God,” though you can’t specify exactly what those words are. Have I got it yet? ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/349 "2006-09-19T18:56:13Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Why on earth would I want to invest my time and energy ending your confusion? [/QUOTE] For starters because it’s not only my confusion and perhaps you could help bring a lurker to Christ. I’m starting to think, well actually I have thought it all along but was trying to be polite (I gave an effort Revtim), that that keeping your beliefs vague and in secret is your best and only defense for them. ---
**Author:** ![the\_PC\_apeman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@the\_PC\_apeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_PC_apeman)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/350 "2006-09-19T18:56:17Z")
How did a pitting of **badchad** ’s ill behavior turn into a thread about **Jodi** ’s beliefs? ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/351 "2006-09-19T18:56:40Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] (snipage) Have you read the Mod warnings to him? 😕 I just ignore his rantings, but his \*violations of the rules \* are what make him “ban-worthy”. That last “Mod-baiting” went _far_ over the line. [/QUOTE] So he’s got a warning or three. And I also didn’t agree with the last aone he was simply asking for clarification – as fluidruid himself said – before going all Clint Eastwood on his ass – the rule is rather vague. Besides, who the fuck asked you to junior-mod? And anyway, so fuckin’ what? Again, allow me to remind you this a a freakin’ MESSAGE BOARD. Personally, I’ve had few problems with the mods in all my years here…bit it’s not like I shuddder and break out into a cold sweat if they call me out on something. In fact, I’ve disputed more than one of their warnings and we seemed to have been able to meet half way. See, they are mods/humans, seem fairly reasonable as a whole and listen to logical arguements. Trust me, they are NOT GODS ready to slay you with a REALLY BIG BOOK OF BULLSHIT. And hey, if at the end, **badchad** , myself or anyone else gets the mod jackboot…well, I suspect we’ll —somehow – survive. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/352 "2006-09-19T18:57:01Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] Could you be a little less vague? [/QUOTE] Probably. But see post 343. [QUOTE=pseudotriton ruber ruber] In other words, any shit that comes to mind constitutes your beliefs (for the duration of that post, at any rate) and that you believe that SOME of your creed is based on the “word of God,” though you can’t specify exactly what those words are. Have I got it yet? [/quote] Wow, those are _some_ other words! Couldn’t you think of worse? Have you got it yet? Well, no. Obviously not. ---
**Author:** ![Dob](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b2d939/32.png) [@Dob](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dob)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 6:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/353 "2006-09-19T18:57:20Z")
> [@](#): > > Can we assume you believe Christ miraculously rose from the dead? > > Can we assume you believe in life after death? > > Can we assume you believe Jesus to be one and the same as the creator of the universe? > > Can we assume Jesus as better things in store for believers than non-believers, or good people than bad people, after death? > > What are your beliefs about hell? dont be baited Jodi. Badchad is a schoolyard bully trying to pick a fight, let it go, it ain’t worth it. And FTR I do believe in God, but not that the Bible is his word. The bible is man’s word trying to describe what they didn’t understand in terms they could. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 7:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/354 "2006-09-19T19:02:59Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] For starters because it’s not only my confusion and perhaps you could help bring a lurker to Christ. I’m starting to think, well actually I have thought it all along but was trying to be polite (I gave an effort Revtim), that that keeping your beliefs vague and in secret is your best and only defense for them. [/QUOTE] Huh. I won’t talk about my beliefs with someone who is _extremely_ disrespectful of them, rude, boring, and, I suspect, not actually interested (except insofar as he desires to attack them, and through them me), so I must not be capable of defending them at all. If that’s your take away, fine with me. You’ve “won” again! Here’s your medal. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 7:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/355 "2006-09-19T19:03:49Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] Well, since the four gospels do not recount the same events using the same language, and Jesus probably did not say the same thing two or three times, in slightly different language, I think the strictest answer to this would have to be “No.” These are authors 75 to 100 years after the fact recounting things they have heard, observed, or have been taught. Do most Christians, including myself, believe that the four gospel, taken together, contain the teachings of Christ, as given by Christ? Sure. [/QUOTE] Including the Mr. Meany-Pants stuff? ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 7:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/356 "2006-09-19T19:05:51Z")
[QUOTE=Dob] dont be baited Jodi. Badchad is a schoolyard bully trying to pick a fight, let it go, it ain’t worth it. [/QUOTE] That’s right Jodi. You answer my simple little questions and your fucked. 😉 ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 7:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/357 "2006-09-19T19:06:42Z")
[QUOTE=jsgoddess] I generally do ignore him, just as I ignore telemarketers and street preachers. He’s about as valuable. [/QUOTE] Great. Fantastic even. But if it’s alright by you, I’ll keep reading and – at times – posting to threads he’s involved in. I greatly enjoy them. Just so happens that I find him nothing like those two you mention. Live and let live I guess. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 7:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/358 "2006-09-19T19:07:57Z")
[QUOTE=badchad] That’s right Jodi. You answer my simple little questions and your fucked. 😉 [/QUOTE] You have yet to give me any reason whatsoever to answer your simple little questions. Out of mutual respect? Belief in the sincerity of your inquiry? What? I see the scene, and I read the script, but I’m not sure of my character’s motivation here. ---
**Author:** ![Sarahfeena](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/sarahfeena/32/519_2.png) [@Sarahfeena](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sarahfeena)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 7:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/359 "2006-09-19T19:12:33Z")
[QUOTE=Dob] dont be baited Jodi. Badchad is a schoolyard bully trying to pick a fight, let it go, it ain’t worth it. [/QUOTE] My thoughts exactly…as **ThePCapeman** points out, this is not the subject of the thread, anyway. Jodi has done a fine job of explaining why **badchad’s** narrow view of the Bible shows a fundamental lack of understanding of Christianity. Her personal beliefs are completely irrelevant. ---
**Author:** ![RedFury](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/ec9cab/32.png) [@RedFury](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RedFury)\ **Post date:** [September 19, 2006, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/360 "2006-09-19T19:14:30Z")
[QUOTE=Dob] And FTR I do believe in God, but not that the Bible is his word. The bible is man’s word trying to describe what they didn’t understand in terms they could. [/QUOTE] If they didn’t understand it to begin with, how the fuck could they make any sense of it? Unless, of course, they made up a bunch of shit. Sort of like “interpreting” that **"@#%^&^%** &&^%$$#&^%\*&"\*\* means that God is Love. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158.md?page=17) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158.md?page=19)