# BadChad, a moment of your time, if you can spare it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2006, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158 "2006-09-18T12:14:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 1:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/21 "2006-09-18T13:56:10Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] I agree with this pitting, but I think for a different reason; as \*\*Kalhoun \*\* says, he’s entitled to state his opinion, even when his opinion isn’t very pleasant. What I find to be a problem though is that he’s really not acting in a way conducive to debate; it’s fair that he has strong views, but calling Christ a cunt isn’t exactly going to endear him to other people in the thread. Plus, he’s making us godless heathens look bad. [/QUOTE] I hardly think one statement amongst his many informed postings, supported with cites, is avoiding honest debate. It was a momentary interjection of personal opinion, straight-up and in-your-face (everyone else does it at one time or another). If that’s ALL he ever said, I’d say those who are offended would have a bitch to pitch. But that’s not the case. He can go toe-to-toe with the best debaters around here and _does_, 99% of the time. ---
**Author:** ![Revenant\_Threshold](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/f1d935/32.png) [@Revenant\_Threshold](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Revenant_Threshold)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/22 "2006-09-18T13:59:42Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun] I hardly think one statement amongst his many informed postings, supported with cites, is avoiding honest debate. It was a momentary interjection of personal opinion, straight-up and in-your-face (everyone else does it at one time or another). If that’s ALL he ever said, I’d say those who are offended would have a bitch to pitch. But that’s not the case. He can go toe-to-toe with the best debaters around here and _does_, 99% of the time. [/QUOTE] But people _are_ offended by it (though not me personally). Now, that might be a problem on their side rather than of badchad’s, but the fact remains that there is offense being taken. So rather than take the time to try and persuade people why it isn’t offensive in a hijacking of a thread, it’s probably best to just be generally courteous. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/23 "2006-09-18T14:02:37Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] No, it still wouldn’t be a useful debate tactic. Tell me WHY Hitler was a cunt, and try to use language that doesn’t make my eyeballs fall out of my head and my ears close up out of distaste. I don’t find it offensive at all. I just don’t find it useful. And I’m not a Christian, although I am religious. I don’t care much about Jesus one way or the other. I have no dog in this fight whatsoever. I just understand **Skald** ’s point about there being some people you don’t want on your side in Great Debates, even if they agree with you. My own area with this is in abortion debates - I’m pro-choice, but there are a few pro-choice people on here that make me wince, because they don’t help the cause. [/QUOTE] He’s backed up his statements a gazillion times. It’s one word in the entire thread. Yes, he could have said “christ was a big meanie-pants” but he chose a word that more clearly express his intense dislike of christianity. In that sense, it was \*very \* useful. “Cunt” is used more and more frequently all the time as a general insult and doesn’t have the same impact it once had. Do I use it? Rarely…but I have used it once or twice when I’m pissed off. I also didn’t used to use the word “fuck.” It’s evolving. ---
**Author:** ![Carlyjay](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e0b2c6/32.png) [@Carlyjay](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Carlyjay)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/24 "2006-09-18T14:03:50Z")
**Skald** , I know nothing of the aforementioned pitted user nor his transgressions, but the number of colourful insults in your OP will keep me smiling all day long. Well done, sir. ---
**Author:** ![Mangetout](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mangetout/32/19_2.png) [@Mangetout](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Mangetout)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/25 "2006-09-18T14:05:20Z")
[QUOTE=John Mace] \*\*BadChad \*\*= **Der Trihs**? [/QUOTE] \*\*BadChad \*\*~ **Der Trihs** ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/26 "2006-09-18T14:07:55Z")
[QUOTE=Kalhoun] I hardly think one statement amongst his many informed postings, supported with cites, is avoiding honest debate. It was a momentary interjection of personal opinion, straight-up and in-your-face (everyone else does it at one time or another). If that’s ALL he ever said, I’d say those who are offended would have a bitch to pitch. But that’s not the case. He can go toe-to-toe with the best debaters around here and _does_, 99% of the time. [/QUOTE] Thanks. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/27 "2006-09-18T14:08:18Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] But people _are_ offended by it (though not me personally). Now, that might be a problem on their side rather than of badchad’s, but the fact remains that there is offense being taken. So rather than take the time to try and persuade people why it isn’t offensive in a hijacking of a thread, it’s probably best to just be generally courteous. [/QUOTE] Is he alllowed to say “I think christ was a ghastly, uncaring, mentally deranged asshole?” What is he allowed to say in direct opposition to the christian take on christ without it being offensive? What words are on the “no” list? And while we’re at it, which people in the history of the world are “untouchable” and which are we free to flame? Who draws the line in a free society? ---
**Author:** ![Beaucarnea](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/c0e974/32.png) [@Beaucarnea](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Beaucarnea)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/28 "2006-09-18T14:13:26Z")
I agree with much of what **badchad** says, and his knowledge of scripture is impressive. I feel that the Bible preaches a message of hate and exclusion as well. I also feel that it is an ancient set of laws which does not allow for progress, but _does_ allow for extrapolation when a Christian has an agenda to promote; i.e. politics. Unlike **badchad** I don’t have a problem understanding why someone wants to tickle their [parietal lobes](http://www.discover.com/issues/jul-05/features/extreme-states/?page=3) with prayer or meditation. If spirituality is one of the ways in which people add meaning to their life: more power to them. So long as they don’t impose their beliefs on others. But I will defend his right to feel angry and use foul language when refuting the Bible. The only difference between “cunt” and “I look forward to seeing you piss yourself on judgement day” is that the Christian feels they have Divine Permission to damn and disparage. Both insults weigh the same. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/29 "2006-09-18T14:16:21Z")
> [@](#): > > “Cunt” is used more and more frequently all the time as a general insult and doesn’t have the same impact it once had. You speak only for yourself, of course. It would be a mistake to believe the people you’re talking to necessarily share this opinion. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/30 "2006-09-18T14:17:21Z")
[QUOTE=Revenant Threshold] I agree with this pitting, but I think for a different reason; as \*\*Kalhoun \*\* says, he’s entitled to state his opinion, even when his opinion isn’t very pleasant. What I find to be a problem though is that he’s really not acting in a way conducive to debate; it’s fair that he has strong views, but calling Christ a cunt isn’t exactly going to endear him to other people in the thread. Plus, he’s making us godless heathens look bad. [/QUOTE] You’re one of those godless heathens I like, **Threshold**. Even though you never accepted my offer of Grand Viziership. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/31 "2006-09-18T14:19:34Z")
> [@](#): > > He can go toe-to-toe with the best debaters around here and does, 99% of the time. This also is not necessarily true. It’s equally as likely that the “best debaters around here” won’t engage with him, precisely because he is incapable of practicing minimal civility in how he posts. ---
**Author:** ![WhyNot](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/w/c77e96/32.png) [@WhyNot](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/WhyNot)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:21pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/32 "2006-09-18T14:21:00Z")
[QUOTE=Beaucarnea] But I will defend his right to feel angry and use foul language when refuting the Bible. The only difference between “cunt” and “I look forward to seeing you piss yourself on judgement day” is that the Christian feels they have Divine Permission to damn and disparage. Both insults weigh the same. [/QUOTE] As will I defend that right. He’s free to say whatever he wants, within board rules of course. \*\*Skald \*\*is free to Pit him and explain why what he says doesn’t work for him and another approach might, and I’m free to agree. Ain’t life grand? No one’s suggesting censorship. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/33 "2006-09-18T14:24:14Z")
[QUOTE=Beaucarnea] I agree with much of what **badchad** says, and his knowledge of scripture is impressive. I\*\* feel that the Bible preaches a message of hate and exclusion as well. \*\* [/quote] I won’t even argue with that. I find much of the Old Testament odious, and I suspect that a face-to-face meeting between me and the Apostle Paul would be tense, to say the least. > [@](#): > > I also feel that it is an ancient set of laws which does not allow for progress, but _does_ allow for extrapolation when a Christian has an agenda to promote; i.e. politics. I’ll agree again that many Christians use their faith to promote their agendas and to make money; I personally don’t and am offended by those who do. But there are some who are primarily interested in doing good works and improving themselves. > [@](#): > > Unlike **badchad** I don’t have a problem understanding why someone wants to tickle their [parietal lobes](http://www.discover.com/issues/jul-05/features/extreme-states/?page=3) with prayer or meditation. If spirituality is one of the ways in which people add meaning to their life: more power to them. So long as they don’t impose their beliefs on others. > > But I will defend his right to feel angry and use foul language when refuting the Bible. The only difference between “cunt” and “I look forward to seeing you piss yourself on judgement day” is that the Christian feels they have Divine Permission to damn and disparage. Both insults weigh the same. I’d go ahead and pit whomever said the latter about judgment day if I were sure who it was (Friar Ted?); it is not the sort of behavior Jesus (or Aslan :-)) would approve of. I don’t believe in a physical Hell, but if I did, I’d hope that God would feel nothing but sorrow at any who consigned themselves there (since, to the extent I believe in any hell, it is that Hell is the state of deliberately denying oneself access to God). And I don’t think Ted’s desire to see unbelievers urinate upon themselves on the day of judgment speaks well of him. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/34 "2006-09-18T14:28:01Z")
Count me in as an atheist, who has no use for organized religion, who also wishes he would STFU until he can learn some manners. He’s rude, condescending, and abrupt. ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/35 "2006-09-18T14:30:04Z")
[QUOTE=WhyNot] As will I defend that right. He’s free to say whatever he wants, within board rules of course. \*\*Skald \*\*is free to Pit him and explain why what he says doesn’t work for him and another approach might, and I’m free to agree. Ain’t life grand? [/QUOTE] Scald is only pitting me because she knows if she tried to debate me rationally I’d chop her up. My response to her in the thread she links in the OP was a bit sarcastic but hardly inflammatory. I guess that’s hard to take when the jokes on you and you have no response. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/36 "2006-09-18T14:30:14Z")
'Tis funny to see this Pitting, because I was thinking of starting a Pit thread headed “I like **Bad Chad** ,” and inviting my fellow Dopers to take potshots at me for my tastes in posters. Basically, I’m with **Kalhoun** and **Beaucarnea** : the man knows his shit, better than many of the more devout defenders of holy scripture, and is tenacious about defending his positions. He’s no more insulting than any of his adversaries, who feel free to claim (on the basis of just about nothing) that **Bad Chad** and his ilk will spend eternity as a roasted marshmellow or some such nonsense (like that’s not far worse than wishing death on someone?), and to assert that all the interference Christ-worship plays in our daily lives is somehow beneficial, instead of the tedious, time-wasting and liberty-destroying role it actually does play. He’s clear, witty, determined, and he takes no guff from weak-minded worshipers of circular reasoning. Mark this as a ballot for **Bad Chad**. ---
**Author:** ![the\_PC\_apeman](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/ac8455/32.png) [@the\_PC\_apeman](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/the_PC_apeman)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/37 "2006-09-18T14:34:02Z")
> [@badchad](#): > > [Quote=Skald the Rhymer] > Anyway, BadChad --you’re annoying. Bothersome. Pestiferous, even. Yeah yeah, I catch your general drift. While you, a good Christian (nominally at least) continue to be irrational. I was actually wondering how long it would take till one of you good loving Christians pitted me. … [/quote] **badchad** , do you understand that this pitting is about your debating style, not your ideas? The part I’ve underlined is a good example. It’s similar to “Oh yeah? Well, you’re ugly.” I’m an atheist too. Our arguments will be better served if you would debate them with more civility. Your style is pit-worthy. ---
**Author:** ![Kalhoun](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/3bc359/32.png) [@Kalhoun](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Kalhoun)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/38 "2006-09-18T14:36:13Z")
[QUOTE=Jodi] This also is not necessarily true. It’s equally as likely that the “best debaters around here” won’t engage with him, precisely because he is incapable of practicing minimal civility in how he posts. [/QUOTE] That’s not true. I’ve seen “The Big Guns ™” posters \*back down \* when he catches them in errors they can’t support. 1. He catches them in blatant contradictions. 2. He catches them cherry-picking 3. He catches them making up new definitions of words and interpretations of scripture that have nothing to do with the actual words that are printed in the bible. That’s not uncivil. That’s _debating honestly_. For the most part, he’s been very civil. Particularly since he’s been back. Telling someone they’re wrong isn’t rude debating. It’s not dishonest. It’s not abrasive. I’m sure it’s _uncomfortable_ to be told your Big Picture beliefs have no basis in fact, but that’s not uncivil. ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/39 "2006-09-18T14:37:12Z")
[QUOTE=ThePCapeman] **badchad** , do you understand that this pitting is about your debating style, not your ideas? The part I’ve underlined is a good example. It’s similar to “Oh yeah? Well, you’re ugly.” [/QUOTE] Yes, I’m fully aware. My style, while a bit inborn, is intentional. ---
**Author:** ![capybara](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/capybara/32/202_2.png) [@capybara](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/capybara)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2006, 2:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/40 "2006-09-18T14:37:44Z")
Another atheist who thought the guy behaved badly in that thread. There’s a time and place. I guess I’m a gently evangelical atheist who doesn’t want to piss people right off immediately,whatever I think in secret. But I also wanted to throttle Friar Ted, too. That statement was up there with “in case of rapture” self-pleasing glurge bumper stickers, but with a nasty pointy end to it. Actually, I wanted to slap around a lot of people in that thread. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158.md?page=1) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158.md?page=3)