# BadChad, a moment of your time, if you can spare it **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 18, 2006, 12:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158 "2006-09-18T12:14:32Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 43
**Author:** ![MrDibble](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/mrdibble/32/114_2.png) [@MrDibble](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/MrDibble)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 9:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/841 "2006-09-24T09:54:42Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] I would say first that I wouldn’t try to debate some things unless I thought the other person actually wanted to argue about it or had expressed some willingness to defend his/her beliefs. [/QUOTE] Isn’t posting to this messageboard (in either GD or BBQ, that is) a _de facto_ invitation to debate? ---
**Author:** ![FriarTed](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/friarted/32/1052_2.png) [@FriarTed](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/FriarTed)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 10:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/842 "2006-09-24T10:13:22Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] In the interests of fairness, **badchad** has been quite civil in the thread I started challenging him to do so. [/QUOTE] Darn it, he is. Does that balance out the Christ-c\*\*\* comment in GD? ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 10:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/843 "2006-09-24T10:35:03Z")
[QUOTE=askeptic] Yeah, then you can sit around with that same smug self righteous look wishing to see atheists piss themselves when jesus comes to kick ass. Fuck that and fuck them. [/QUOTE] Holy non sequiter, Batman. Respecting one aspect of a person’s character is not equal to adopting his philosophy. Has **Polycarp** ever expressed such a wish? You do know what it is called when a person hates every member of a group simply because they are included in that group, don’t you? ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/844 "2006-09-24T14:23:26Z")
[QUOTE=FriarTed] Darn it, he is. Does that balance out the Christ-c\*\*\* comment in GD? [/QUOTE] Well, I tend to think that Jesus, if he were still alive, would react to such a remark rather like Aslan. A tolerant, slightly bored yawn, followed by saying, “You must be very angry to say such things.” ---
**Author:** ![DrDeth](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/b487fb/32.png) [@DrDeth](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/DrDeth)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 5:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/845 "2006-09-24T17:39:12Z")
Quote: Originally Posted by badchad DrDeth if that doesn’t sum up this entire thread better than anything else I don’t know what does. Contrapuntal is ok by your definition, only because he gives fundies a hard time, but wouldn’t dream of criticizing your personal irrationality. The same goes for Diogenes the Cynic. You don’t mind debating him because he picks on others and not you. [QUOTE=DrDeth] Hey Badchad, you’re back. Care to asnwer the question I have posed twice now? What “personal irrationality” were you fucking babbling about here? Or is it that only you get to challenge dudes with questions? Oh, and what are _your_ personal beliefs? Do you beleive in an afterlife? How about Gun control? Abortion? Death Penalty? [/QUOTE] 3rd time I ask. You seem to be dodging the questions. :dubious: ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/846 "2006-09-24T18:00:17Z")
[QUOTE=DrDeth] Quote:3rd time I ask. You seem to be dodging the questions. :dubious: [/QUOTE] He’s not overly fond of tackling questions for which he has no read answer. ---
**Author:** ![Contrapuntal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/e274bd/32.png) [@Contrapuntal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Contrapuntal)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 6:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/847 "2006-09-24T18:01:31Z")
Blast! That should be “ready” answer. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 10:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/848 "2006-09-24T22:07:53Z")
[QUOTE=tomndebb] How often do we get to see a comment in the **Pit** threatened with a move to **GD**? [/QUOTE] It takes a very special sort of douchebag to not only make just about all Dopers agree on something, but to make me quote you in a non-adversarial way. Maybe he’s the secret to world peace. ---
**Author:** ![duffer](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/duffer/32/1026_2.png) [@duffer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/duffer)\ **Post date:** [September 24, 2006, 10:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/849 "2006-09-24T22:12:01Z")
BTW, since calling Christ a cunt in a thread for the sake of saying it is OK, can I tell **badchad** he’s a cunt for the sake of spreading the truth? Just to let everyone know what a cunt he really is? And is it an insult to cunts to associate him with the word? And can we get a Doperfest set up? Just to point and laugh? I won’t do anything. ---
**Author:** ![Zoe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/z/a4c791/32.png) [@Zoe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Zoe)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 1:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/850 "2006-09-25T01:08:38Z")
> [@](#): > > **pseudotriton ruber ruber** : Now this is pretty plain speaking, it seems to me, not some theologically-dense passage requiring careful parsing. You’re being told to get rid of your car and your copper-bottomed pots and all your other shit, and give the money to charity. Pretty good plan, and a pretty clear plan, simplified and dumbed-down and accessible. But do you do it? Of course not. You prefer to hang on to your possessions, and tell me not to abort my pregnancies or have gay sex or hundreds of other issues that are much less scripturally clear? > [@](#): > > –Master, what shall I do? > > Follow the commandments, love one another, and sell your possessions– Those were instructions given to one person. That doesn’t mean that that would be the appropriate thing for everyone to do. (Another time he said, “The poor we have always with us.”) I regret that I have been too materialistic. I live more simply now. That may not be what is required of someone else. > [@](#): > > I expect (or did at some point in the past) Christians to forbear a little longer, to show more patience and tolerance in calling others names, sneering at their adversaries, acting as self-righteous hypocrites in interpreting texts, etc. yet I see them behaving not much better than atheists in this regard, and rising to small provocations with great fury. I’m afraid it’s true. The kindest and most generous friend that I’ve made since retiring is an atheist. Her wit and enthusiasm kept me going through some really difficult times in my life. She turned me around and set me on my feet when I thought I was a goner. Christians would do well to be that noble. I’m surprised that **pseudotriton** ever expected more from Christians. Christians are full of faults. Just when we think we have things under control, we make fools of ourselves in our imperfections. We argue with each other. Some of us treat certain groups as not deserving of full human rights. Some of us make war. Some of us torture our neighbors instead of loving them. And each of us, including myself, thinks that “we” are right and “they” are wrong. Some of the atheists are wrong when they try to imply that all Christians are opposed to gay rights and women’s rights. When an atheist misrepresents the truth by stating such a generality, I question his integrity. But…that’s because I’m self-righteous. Sorry. I work on it. Honestly. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 1:15am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/851 "2006-09-25T01:15:32Z")
[QUOTE=Zoe] Those were instructions given to one person. That doesn’t mean that that would be the appropriate thing for everyone to do. (Another time he said, “The poor we have always with us.”) [/quote] How do you know that’s what he meant? That’s an awfully convenient interpretation for you isn’t it? I love the way so many Christians always find a way to weasel out of the really hard stuff? Did you know that descriptions of early Christian communities in Acts claim that the earliest Christians lived with no private ownership of property and shared everything in common? Jesus was a bona fide communist. It permeates his teachings. ---
**Author:** ![CarnalK](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/carnalk/32/486_2.png) [@CarnalK](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/CarnalK)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 2:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/852 "2006-09-25T02:29:28Z")
[QUOTE=duffer] BTW, since calling Christ a cunt in a thread for the sake of saying it is OK, can I tell **badchad** he’s a cunt for the sake of spreading the truth? [/QUOTE] I just wanted to show the exchange again that has people’s panties in a twist: > [@yojimbo](#): > > There are also many atheists who are uncaring immoral fucks. The lack of god doesn’t do it however. They’re just cunts like the religious ones. > > Basically a lot of people are cunts. A lot aren’t though, so it’s not all bad. > > > [@](#): > > > > I think a large part of Christians are willfully ignorant of the teachings of Christ. > > My sig used to be “If you Christians were more like your Christ the world would be a better place” - Mohandas K. Gandhi > [@badchad](#): > > Yeah, but Christ was a cunt too. Yeah, a little rude but really pretty appropriate to the exchange. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7774477&#post7774477](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7774477&#post7774477) > [@DrDeth](#): > > 3rd time I ask. You seem to be dodging the questions. He actually answered a couple of them a ways back, before you asked. > [@badchad](#): > > > [@Guinastasia](#): > > > > Why don’t you ever contribute to other discussions? > > A combination of a lack of time for doing so, not having specialized knowledge in a given area, and/or other people saying what I would say as well or better than I could. I do read a lot of other topics here. FWIW, I’m against the war in Iraq; I think Bush is an idiot; I think drugs should be legalized; the two party system should be abolished; I like guns; and I hate taxes. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7790779&postcount=337](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showpost.php?p=7790779&postcount=337) Not sure why you think answers to those questions are useful to this thread. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/853 "2006-09-25T02:45:54Z")
[QUOTE=CarnalK] I just wanted to show the exchange again that has people’s panties in a twist: Yeah, a little rude but really pretty appropriate to the exchange. [http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7774477&#post7774477](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?p=7774477&#post7774477) [/QUOTE] That’s actually a pretty good point about the context. If he’d tempered it even a tiny bit by saying, “yeah but **I think** Jesus was a cunt,” or “you could argue that the Bible depicts Jesus as behaving like a cunt,” or something like that, there probably would have never been a pit thread. Even so, it’s probably still a bit of an overeaction. The remark did have a rhetorical purpose, even if it was a blunt one. ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 3:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/854 "2006-09-25T03:59:41Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] That’s actually a pretty good point about the context. If he’d tempered it even a tiny bit by saying, “yeah but **I think** Jesus was a cunt,” or “you could argue that the Bible depicts Jesus as behaving like a cunt,” or something like that, there probably would have never been a pit thread. Even so, it’s probably still a bit of an overeaction. The remark did have a rhetorical purpose, even if it was a blunt one. [/QUOTE] :: running back into the thread, pie in hand, despite my resolution to stay on the sidelines plotting evil :: To be sure, the “cunt” remark didn’t directly prompt me to open the thread. It was just the running theme of, let’s say, incivility in badchad’s post. I posted a link to the remark in question after the OP. :: runs out of the thread with the pie :: ---
**Author:** ![Malacandra](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/45deac/32.png) [@Malacandra](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Malacandra)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 11:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/855 "2006-09-25T11:04:48Z")
[QUOTE=Diogenes the Cynic] How do you know that’s what he meant? That’s an awfully convenient interpretation for you isn’t it? I love the way so many Christians always find a way to weasel out of the really hard stuff? [/quote] That an interpretation is “convenient” does not make it wrong, **Diogenes** , as a man with your advantages ought to know very well. Don’t repeat **pseudotriton ruber ruber** ’s error of assuming that texts that people study for doctorates are so transparent that your interpretation is the only possible one. > [@Diogenes the Cynic](#): > > Did you know that descriptions of early Christian communities in Acts claim that the earliest Christians lived with no private ownership of property and shared everything in common? Jesus was a bona fide communist. It permeates his teachings. Did you know that _Acts_ also relates a story of someone who was in prison, and then all the guards fell asleep and the locks opened? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/856 "2006-09-25T14:49:31Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] Did you know that _Acts_ also relates a story of someone who was in prison, and then all the guards fell asleep and the locks opened? 🙂 [/QUOTE] ::raises hand:: I can 'splain that one. Hilda Burroughs & Gwen Novak took Gay Deceiver back to the early Common Era on a mission to rescue Lazarus (who had gotten his arse shot up again whilst trying to settle once and for all whether it was the Crucifixion or the Crucifiction), and found that the Senior had, for reasons too convoluted to relate here, had been obliged to impersonate St. Peter and in that guise had been arrested by the Sanhedrin. To rescue Woody, they seduced and drugged the guards. ---
**Author:** ![pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/a9a28c/32.png) [@pseudotriton\_ruber\_ruber](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pseudotriton_ruber_ruber)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 3:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/857 "2006-09-25T15:00:42Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] Don’t repeat **pseudotriton ruber ruber** ’s error of assuming that texts that people study for doctorates are so transparent that your interpretation is the only possible one. [/QUOTE] Like that’s what I said. :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Polycarp](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/82dd89/32.png) [@Polycarp](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Polycarp)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/858 "2006-09-25T15:24:44Z")
[QUOTE=Skald the Rhymer] ::raises hand:: I can 'splain that one. Hilda Burroughs & Gwen Novak took Gay Deceiver back to the early Common Era on a mission to rescue Lazarus (who had gotten his arse shot up again whilst trying to settle once and for all whether it was the Crucifixion or the Crucifiction), and found that the Senior had, for reasons too convoluted to relate here, had been obliged to impersonate St. Peter and in that guise had been arrested by the Sanhedrin. To rescue Woody, they seduced and drugged the guards. [/QUOTE] See, it all has plausible explanations within generally accepted physics!\* 😃 ::: flees ::: - Yes, “generally accepted physics.” Several quintillion people across thousands of universes agree with the Sharp Corners Theory; it’s your problem that the local experts don’t. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/ecccb3/32.png) [@Skald\_the\_Rhymer](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skald_the_Rhymer)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 4:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/859 "2006-09-25T16:26:24Z")
[QUOTE=Polycarp] See, it all has plausible explanations within generally accepted physics!\* 😃 ::: flees ::: - Yes, “generally accepted physics.” Several quintillion people across thousands of universes agree with the Sharp Corners Theory; it’s your problem that the local experts don’t. 😛 [/QUOTE] Heretic. It’s **Sharpie** Corners. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 25, 2006, 4:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158/860 "2006-09-25T16:52:55Z")
[QUOTE=Malacandra] That an interpretation is “convenient” does not make it wrong, **Diogenes** , as a man with your advantages ought to know very well. Don’t repeat **pseudotriton ruber ruber** ’s error of assuming that texts that people study for doctorates are so transparent that your interpretation is the only possible one. [/quote] My interpretation is more likely when you know anything about the historical and culture context in which those statements were given and is further supported by the New Testament itself which says that early Christians were indeed expected to give up personal possessions. Your interpretation is based on absolutely nothing but its own person convenience. I found it humorous that you said it might not be “appropriate” for you to follow that example. How could it possibly be inappropriate? What you mean is that it isn’t convenient. Just admit it. You aren’t trying to to really understand that command, you’re just trying to find an excuse not to follow it. > [@](#): > > Did you know that _Acts_ also relates a story of someone who was in prison, and then all the guards fell asleep and the locks opened? 🙂 So what? How does that help YOU? [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158.md?page=42) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-a-moment-of-your-time-if-you-can-spare-it/373158.md?page=44)