# badchad you are a tiresome asshole and becoming a One-Trick Pony **URL:** \ **Category:** The BBQ Pit\ **Created:** [September 30, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721 "2003-09-30T16:58:27Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 1
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 4:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/1 "2003-09-30T16:58:27Z")
> [@](#): > > This makes 189 posts for me. > > Polycarp essentially silenced from religious debate and I’m becoming well received. > > All part of my plan. > > MUAHAHAHAHA. Just because he’s off the board for a little while and nobody has bothered to Pit you before doesn’t make him silenced nor you well received. I’ve watched you repeatedly harass **Polycarp** and hijack discussions from evolution to homosexuality. You’ve apparently now decided to do the same with **Seige**. And frankly, [your shtick, summed up below, is getting tired.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/showthread.php?s=&postid=4043253#post4043253) > [@](#): > > Christianity requires that you believe some rather far fetched claims, extraordinary claims, if you will. Stuff like healing the blind, walking on water, donkeys speaking with a mans voice, dead rising from their graves and people living in eternal paradise without becoming extremely bored by the whole thing. As any dopers know, extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Do you agree with me thus far Siege? > > Now the only evidence we have of the above claims is several thousand years old written in the bible by folks none of us have ever met to be able to judge either their sanity or honesty. If however their text was found to be without internal contradiction, and modern day scientific method continually found that what those sheepherders wrote thousands of years ago was always correct, then it might be reasonable to assume that divine inspiration took place in the writing of the bible and we could actually have some confidence that the reported miracles took place and that heaven, and unfortunately hell awaits. If however science continually found that those sheepherders only knew what we would expect sheepherders at that time to know, then the theory of divine inspiration is seriously eroded as is your chances at eternal paradise. As creationist Ken Ham put it, if the bible got it wrong on astronomy, geology and biology, why should we trust it when it talks of redemption and salvation? Still with me? > > Thus since the bible clearly writes that the creation story is exclusive of evolution, true Christians are kind of forced into believing in creation over evolution, otherwise they undermine the source of their faith. Unreasonable if you ask me considering the overwhelming evidence in favor of evolution, but it’s the best idea they have. Liberal Christians like yourself want to have their cake and eat it too. You want to believe in the extraordinary claim of Jesus rising from the grave to give you eternal paradise based on evidence you already concede to be rather suspect. The latter makes you Siege every bit as unreasonable as the fundamentalists you argue against. Do you have a problem with that assessment? Why the fuck do you think yours is the only interpretation that is valid? I think it’s simply because it’s the easiest to attack. You keep pounding on **Polycarp** and other liberal Christians with your mantra that their interpretation is baseless and wrong simply because it’s not the same as your easily attacked strawman and “true Christians”, I mean “no true Scotsman”. Knock it off you pompous asshole. You are not the arbiter of who is and is not a “True Christian”. “True Christians” are not forced into believing anything they don’t believe. If they believe that the Bible was written by men who had faults and were not entirely precise with their language, that’s a valid belief; despite your claims that it makes them not a true Christian. If they believe that the Creation story is a metaphor, then for them it is. There is no compulsion that it be literal; and your protests doesn’t make it so. Why the hard-on for Liberal Christians? Are you familar with the fact that some Christians don’t even believe in a physical resurrection? Guess what, that doesn’t mean you get to declare them not “True Christians”. Debate the merits of their beliefs all you want. But drop the annoying badgering, idiotic strawman building and no true Scotsman arguement. ---
**Author:** ![pencilpusher](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/d6d6ee/32.png) [@pencilpusher](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/pencilpusher)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 5:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/2 "2003-09-30T17:07:07Z")
Don’t you just LOOOOOOVE people that think they know it all? ---
**Author:** ![friedo](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/8edcca/32.png) [@friedo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/friedo)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 5:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/3 "2003-09-30T17:19:59Z")
Actually, **pencilpusher** , I much prefer people who _know_ they know it all. 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/4 "2003-09-30T17:29:26Z")
**badchad** seems to be the Jack Chick of anti-Christian thought … there’s probably some truth hidden in there beneath the half-truths (when there’s any truth at all), the mostly-lies, the misleading statements and self-serving aphorisms … but you wouldn’t get a realistic picture of Christianity or Christians from his “description”. What you get instead are the mangled musings of someone with a serious hard-on for anti-Christian “rhetoric” and attacks, and they’re as transparent as he is. But anyone who would espouse the beliefs he’s posted, let alone actually believe them, needs more than one refresher course in, among other things, how not to be a jerk. And, y’know, actual Christianity. ---
**Author:** ![Gadfly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@Gadfly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadfly)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/5 "2003-09-30T18:20:28Z")
I don’t see what’s especially wrong with the rant, other than references to “true Christianity” (should be adjusted to “fundamentalist Christianity”) and the bit where he makes a personal attack in the last paragraph. I think it’s pretty solid, and has an interesting message. I don’t see the mostly-lies, the misleading statements, or the especially self-serving aphorisms. Okay, he strayed into jerkishness with the last attack, but isn’t a pitting overdoing it a bit? ---
**Author:** ![Gadfly](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/aeb1de/32.png) [@Gadfly](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Gadfly)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 6:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/6 "2003-09-30T18:27:35Z")
After looking across more of his work: Okay, maybe he needed a pitting. But you focused on the wrong rant. ---
**Author:** ![Homebrew](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/h/c89c15/32.png) [@Homebrew](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Homebrew)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 7:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/7 "2003-09-30T19:26:04Z")
This was simply the latest and the proverbial straw. I didn’t feel like taxing the little rodents with a search. ---
**Author:** ![Siege](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/dbc845/32.png) [@Siege](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Siege)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/8 "2003-09-30T22:17:33Z")
I was wondering when this would happen. My response is simple. Since from what **badchad** has posted, I am insane and incapable of logic, I see no reason to trouble him with the ravings of a madwoman. CJ ---
**Author:** ![Osip](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/o/4491bb/32.png) [@Osip](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Osip)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 10:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/9 "2003-09-30T22:27:01Z")
> [@](#): > > \*Originally posted by Siege \* > \*\*I am insane and incapable of logic, I see no reason to trouble him with the ravings of a madwoman. > > CJ \*\* CJ dear, I hate to admit this… but… I always thought that if we had a Doper Theater You would make a mighty fine Lady MacBeth. Over all, **Badchad** is a fool. Most people here do know you as a well thought out insightful and kind person. Osip ---
**Author:** ![Meatros](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/m/b4bc9f/32.png) [@Meatros](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Meatros)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/10 "2003-09-30T22:50:52Z")
Badchad has some good points, however they are utterly erased with his personal brand of rhetoric which makes me want to entirely avoid whatever thread he participates in. In addition, he acts as though it were his personal mission to go around and harp on Polycarp in particular. [Here’s his post history.](http://boards.straightdope.com/sdmb/search.php?action=showresults&searchid=912649) ---
**Author:** ![Esprix](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/esprix/32/7899_2.png) [@Esprix](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Esprix)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 11:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/11 "2003-09-30T23:16:15Z")
Yeah, knock it off - **I’m** the only One Trick Pony[sup]TM[/sup] around here! Harumph! Esprix ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 11:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/12 "2003-09-30T23:17:00Z")
_:: Shrug ::_ He’s so obnoxious, I can’t tell if he has any good points or not, since every time I see a post by him, I skip over it. I am amused by the idea that POLYCARP has been silenced and he’s “well-received,” because it’s so deliciously out of touch with reality. If what you hear is silence, that doesn’t mean people aren’t talking, somewhere. It just means they are talking to _you_. ---
**Author:** ![Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/qadgop_the_mercotan/32/83_2.png) [@Qadgop\_the\_Mercotan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Qadgop_the_Mercotan)\ **Post date:** [September 30, 2003, 11:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/13 "2003-09-30T23:57:26Z")
**badchad** ’s actual worthwhile points are so surrounded by his own obnoxious agenda, that I now automatically consider whatever he posts to be worthless, mean-spirited drivel. And whenever I do read some new post by him (which occurs less and less frequently) I find only evidence to bolster my conclusions about him. And personally, I’m a skeptic about all matters religous. ---
**Author:** ![Miller](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/miller/32/481_2.png) [@Miller](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Miller)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 12:19am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/14 "2003-10-01T00:19:21Z")
> [@](#): > > _Originally posted by badchad_ > Christianity requires that you believe some rather far fetched claims, extraordinary claims, if you will. Stuff like healing the blind, walking on water, **donkeys speaking with a mans voice,** dead rising from their graves and people living in eternal paradise without becoming extremely bored by the whole thing. Well, every time he posts, he proves at least one of the foregoing to be possible. ---
**Author:** ![RoundGuy](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/90ced4/32.png) [@RoundGuy](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/RoundGuy)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 4:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/15 "2003-10-01T04:21:00Z")
While I too have been a occasionally turned off by **badchad** ’s… uh … _excuberance_ … in his mission, I cannot find fault in his goal. He seems to be fighting, wherever he sees it, the ignorance of religious zealotry – whether it be fundamentalist, or liberal, Christianity. While his tactics may seem a bit arrogant, I find little fault with his arguments. If someone would care to argue his points, I will listen. If you simply wish to Pit his tactics, well, carry on… Perhaps some simply didn’t recognize, or were offended by, **badchad** ’s obvious attempt at humor in his last post – I recognized it, and was not at all offended. I must admit, I chuckled a bit. Am I missing something, or is this just a really lame pitting… —RoundGuy _Ok, dumbass, I’ve defended you in the Pit – you owe me one_ ---
**Author:** ![Guinastasia](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/guinastasia/32/5751_2.png) [@Guinastasia](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Guinastasia)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/16 "2003-10-01T04:36:31Z")
It seems **badchad** likes to play the No True Scotsman fallacy-you’re either a Biblical literalist, or you’re not a True Christian. Which is such bullshit, since literal interpretation of the Scriptures is a fairly recent philosophy. :rolleyes: What a sad, little man. ---
**Author:** ![iampunha](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/i/74df32/32.png) [@iampunha](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/iampunha)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 5:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/17 "2003-10-01T05:35:50Z")
**badchad** actually prefers and even more ingenious game: if you are not his specific preferred type of Christian in everything you do, think and otherwise are, you are not a true Christian. There is a Heaven of one in his world, no doubt. ---
**Author:** ![Monty](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/monty/32/47_2.png) [@Monty](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Monty)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 5:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/18 "2003-10-01T05:47:02Z")
iampunha: That would then make for a very interesting equation, hey? Him in his Heaven alone…wouldn’t that automatically be Heaven for everyone not there in his cursed presence? ---
**Author:** ![badchad](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/b77776/32.png) [@badchad](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/badchad)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/19 "2003-10-01T05:56:36Z")
Homebrew: > [@](#): > > badchad you are a tiresome asshole and becoming a One-Trick Pony Thanks for the adhom Homebrew, it looks like that¡¦s all you and those in the dog pile here are able to muster. Still if you or your friends feel man enough to bolster an argument to any of the specific points I have raised in great debates feel free. If not, well, that¡¦s what I thought. Regarding the one-trick pony bit. Andros already called me on it and I didn¡¦t argue the point. As I have obviously stated before my beef is with liberal Christians who hypocritically dog pile on some nice people who for the most part just happen to be brought up fundamentalist. If the criticisms were coming from atheists that would be one thing but those ¡§liberal¡¨ fairy tail believers have little room to talk. > [@](#): > > Just because he’s off the board for a little while and nobody has bothered to Pit you before doesn’t make him silenced nor you well received. A) I’ve been pitted before, by Polycarp himself no less. I seem to recall him using language along the lines of ¡§fuck off asshole¡¨ though I would have to look it up to be sure. I hope he asked forgiveness afterwards. B) Polycarp is obviously ducking me. While you may not, he knows my arguments are sound and if he had a good comeback he would be presenting it. Especially when you consider we had a deal and he promised he would. I fulfilled my half of the bargain, he admittedly did not fulfill his thus making him a liar in fact, and a pretentious one at that IMO. > [@](#): > > I’ve watched you repeatedly harass Polycarp and hijack discussions from evolution to homosexuality. You’ve apparently now decided to do the same with Seige. And frankly, your shtick, summed up below, is getting tired. Seige walked into it with her talk of how she could not understand the fundamentalist viewpoint did not make any sense. I just thought it good to explain to her that it was no less reasonable than her viewpoint. Also I don¡¦t think she has much room to argue as in a previous discussion with me I got her to admit that she had no good reason to believe in god and that she was using it as a crutch. > [@](#): > > Why the fuck do you think yours is the only interpretation that is valid? I think it’s simply because it’s the easiest to attack. Actually I think this viewpoint is the hardest to attack as it is so slippery and it¡¦s followers can use their ¡§metaphor¡¨ talk slip out of anything uncomfortable. The fundamentalist perspective is much easier to attack, which is why there are so many of you love to dogpile them whenever they try to back up their views, misguided as they may be. Now that it¡¦s turned around it¡¦s not so funny is it? As for why I try to argue with Polycarp in particular is because his views were hitherto well received (dumb as they may be) and as liberal Christians are so different I have to customize my argument to a particular view. With Polycarp being so verbose, it was relatively easy for me to get his number. > [@](#): > > You keep pounding on Polycarp and other liberal Christians with your mantra that their interpretation is baseless and wrong simply because it’s not the same as your easily attacked strawman and “true Christians”, I mean “no true Scotsman”. I see my use of satire escaped you. I guess you need one of these 🙂 to recognize a joke, or in this case half joke. > [@](#): > > If they believe that the Bible was written by men who had faults and were not entirely precise with their language, that’s a valid belief; despite your claims that it makes them not a true Christian. If they believe that the Creation story is a metaphor, then for them it is. There is no compulsion that it be literal; and your protests doesn’t make it so. If you bothered to carefully read my post (which you quoted) you would see that I didn¡¦t say believing in errancy of the bible or use of metaphor was unreasonable, rather that believing in outstanding claims based on a source already admitted to be in error or unintelligible is. My personal opinion is that the bible is quite errant but this board doesn’t need one more guy saying that. > [@](#): > > Why the hard-on for Liberal Christians? As I said I think they are hypocritical in their attacks on fundamentalists and in my opinion often quite pompous about it too, also because nobody else has decided to put much effort into fight the ignorance of liberal Christianity. > [@](#): > > Debate the merits of their beliefs all you want. But drop the annoying badgering, idiotic strawman building and no true Scotsman arguement. If you find fault in my argument I invite you to take up where Seige or Polycarp left off in any of the linked great debates above. If not carry on with your tirade, I actually think it is pretty funny. ---
**Author:** ![Jodi](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/7feea3/32.png) [@Jodi](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Jodi)\ **Post date:** [October 1, 2003, 6:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721/20 "2003-10-01T06:05:32Z")
> [@](#): > > Polycarp is obviously ducking me. _:: Snort ::_ “I love me, I think I’m grand, when I’m with me, I hold my hand.” I’d be flabbergasted if POLY gives a rat’s ass about you. Why would he? You’ve repeatedly shown yourself to be a total jerk who is unworthy of the time or attention of a person who engages in rational and _civil_ debate. I think it more likely he’s simply dismissed you, rather than that he’s “ducking” you. [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/badchad-you-are-a-tiresome-asshole-and-becoming-a-one-trick-pony/204721.md?page=2)