Baffling gaps in knowledge

I was raised in the city of Chicago, and I had never seen a slug until I moved out of the city into a more suburban area. In fact, IIRC, I had never even heard of such a creature. My first thought, knowing that I knew nothing about it, was to wonder if it was a snail that loses its shell naturally or from disease.

Heck, it wasn’t until last year when I tried to identify a leaf in the local Forest Preserve that I found out the most common naturally-occurring tree in the area including Chicago is not oak or maple or elm but a type of cottonwood.

so, who is this Rush Limbaugh then?

I was talking with a coworker a few years ago when I happened to mention Lance Armstrong. “Who?” I explained he was the cancer survivor who won the Tour de France (at the time) 5 years in a row. “What’s the Tour de France?” Okay, maybe she somehow missed Lance, but how could someone not have at least heard of le Tour? I mean, I know absolutely nothing about horses, but I have an idea what the Kentucky Derby is. When I explained that it was a professional cycling race, she didn’t believe me that there was such a thing. Bicycles are toys only for kids or people who want to get some exercise, she explained.

There was this girl I knew in college. She was a nutrition major, had a 4.0 and could tell you all about what you were eating. When the first big attack on Baghdad took place and was all over the news, she asked, “Is Baghdad near Iraq?” :smack:
She also said that Albuquerque was a state. Interesting girl.

I work with someone who was home schooled, is an engineer, is otherwise smart, but has very serious gaps which revealed themselves regularly.

My favorite one is that he thought that there is only a single nuclear weapon on the planet, owned by the United States. When asked about what we dropped on Japan in WW2, he replied, “Of course. We dropped our bomb, then built a new one to replace it.” This single A-bomb is apparantly what keeps other countries afraid to build one.

When asked about the Cold War, S.A.L.T., mutually assured destruction, and the “nuclear club” I was met only with a blank stare.

Even after pointing him to articles on the web detailing how many nukes there were, and all of the countries in the club, he was still skeptical.

I feel as though I’ve fallen asleep, only to awake 40 years ago.

He started a Canadian rock band back in the late 60’s, then quit in the mid-80’s to start a cheese-making business. Nice, quiet fellow. Donates a lot of money to soup kitchens and volunteers at drug rehab centers.

Playing Trivial Pursuit with my parents. Question (paraphrased): “What movie contained the quote, ‘Open the pod bay doors, please, Hal’?” Mom had no clue, so I finally gave her the answer.

Mom: “2001? What was that?”

Me: “2001: A Space Odyssey.”

Mom: “That’s not a movie; it’s an album.”

Me: “No, it was a movie. Stanley Kubrick.”

Mom: “Well, I never heard of it!”

Dad: “What? You know, the one with the apes, and the bone that turns into a spaceship, and the black column…”

Me: “And the space fetus at the end of it? It was in 1969, remember?”

Mom: “Was this some weird obscure hippie thing? I never heard of it!”

Me: [thinking] You know the name of a David Bowie album, but you’re calling a Kubrick movie a “weird obscure hippie thing”?


For years, my BIL was carrying around a vague memory of a show he’d watched when he was a kid. Many times, he’d asked others if they remembered it, and no one did. He’d concluded that it must have been something he’d dreamed up, maybe when he had the flu, and then one day, read a retrospective about Sid and Marty Kroft. :smack: The show was Land of the Lost! And the creatures were Sleestaks! Still doesn’t know why no one else ever recalled it, but perhaps he didn’t describe it very well.


I hardly ever visit Usenet groups any more, because the nitpickers who populate that section of the net make Dopers look mellow. A while back though, there was a discussion that led to someone pointing out that an unflattering video or photo that gets circulated around the net can sometimes be highly traumatic for the subject. “Look at the Star Wars Kid,” they said.

“I don’t know anything about those actors,” came the reply. “I think Jake Lloyd sunk his career post Phantom Menace, and I heard Natalie Portman is working on something, but [rant about SW prequels snipped].”

“Uh, I wasn’t referring to the movies,” the first poster said, helpfully providing a link to the golf-ball-retriever-wielding high schooler.

I mean, I can understand the confusion if this was a convo IRL. But by his own admission, the Usenet poster who didn’t get the reference spent hours and hours every day on the net. And in all that time, no one ever sent him a link to that video? He never heard it being discussed? As big of a SW fan as he apparently was, it never came up in a discussion? Usenet people blow my mind. They are the perfect example of what tomndebb and sublight were talking about: they’re that focused on whatever brought them onto the net in the first place, and they have zero interest in using internet access to expand their horizons.


Back in 2000, I was in the break room, at an office job, chirped, “Okay, who’s gonna line up for Harry Potter 4 on Saturday raise your hand!” Mine was the only hand that went up, among six or seven people giving completely blank looks. After a long pause, someone ventured, “Who’s Harry Potter?” and before I could answer, someone else replied, “It’s like Hardy Boys.”

I mean…were they serious? Had none of them, any time recently, been to the bookstore that was just down the street, with the displays and signs telling you where to reserve your copy? Had they never once noticed anyone reading books 1, 2 or 3? Never seen a kid dress up for Halloween as Harry? It was not just a matter of being a reader or not: the whole phenomenon was so inescapable. Although I’m not sure if casting for the movies had begun yet or not. That would have gotten their attention, I’m fairly certain.


And in the early '90s, I asked the mother of the kids I was babysitting if they liked Calvin and Hobbes. “What time does it come on?” she asked.

I actually kind of doubt this. It’s true that cities get old and run-down, but this is all the more opportunity to revive these cities by the wealthy as investments. Which in a capital sense, is more American. Your average run-down city today will be 90210 10-30 years from now.

You’ve never been to Newark, have you?

nit: It was 1968, but the only reason I know that is my mom likes to tell me I saw 2001 in utero, and all my baking went on in '68.

My friend’s dad is an old-timer traditional guy who grew up on meat and potatoes served promptly at 6:00. His wife continued the pattern. After he was widowed he came to visit my friend and his wife and she served lasagna. Since he is the elder, he serves the meal and since he didn’t recognize lasagna, he started serving the separate layers to people.

Yes. In 1990. Sixteen years ago.

As the OP referred to the person who didn’t recognize Gorbachev as in his twenties, he would have been somewhere around age 4 at that time. I doubt he was reading Time every week. Or even paying much attention at all to the political leaders of foreign nations.

So I don’t find this gap so surprising at all.

I’m glad that you were able to fill in his blank, Sailboat. Also, I find this one particularly funny given how many Europeans I know who complain that in American everything is too new. As an Italian said: “in Europe, you get ancient, and less ancient, and old, and new, and you can see how architecture changes through time, yes? In here, it’s new or it’s broken! It’s never OLD!” - I recommended Boston to her, she did like Boston.

and that would be sarcasm, right? I’m not American and I have no clue who Rush Limbaugh is, is it a real person? A character on some show no one outside America has seen? The winner of the 1963 Kentucky Derby? I’m curious as to why the OP is stunned that an American didn’t know who Rush Limbaugh is… is there a reason why they should know who s/he is?

:confused:

Reminds me of a similar story, also from about 7th grade. Two friends of mine were talking and one mentioned that at her father’s company, he was a vice-president. A third friend ambled over in time to hear the girl say that her father was a VP.

She replied “of the United States??? Wow!”

For much of the year she was under the delusion that her friend’s father was the VP of the United States.

Nobody should know who Rush Limbaugh is, that’s the problem.

If you want to see gaps in knowledge at its worst, teach high school. Cultural literacy is dead.

This is more or less my reaction, too. My knowledge of Rush Limbaugh cun be summed up thusly:

  1. American
  2. Involved in Politics

I do, however, know who Mikhail Gorbachev is.

The thing is, pretty much any country can have a list of people that “Everyone should know” that will be meaningless to people even in neighbouring countries.

Most Australians know who Bert Newton or Eddie MacGuire are, but they’re complete unknowns in New Zealand, for example. The number of people I’ve run into who only know WWII as a setting for a lot of movies and PC games, or think that the Vietnam War involved surfing and Huey Gunships playing “The Ride Of The Valkyries”.

The thing that makes me feel really old is realising that the first Gulf War was 15 years ago, and many of the people I worked with hadn’t even been born then. History and importance are relative… I doubt anyone will remember Paris Hilton in 15 years, but only time will tell.

As for Hilton, we can only hope and pray. Who under 30 has even really heard of Ryan Oneil (or whatever it is?). According to my old Doonsbury books, he was a major source of gossip in the 70s, but now I have no idea what he’s doing.

Ryan O’Neal the actor? He’s helping his ex Farrah Fawcett as she battles anal cancer. No, really.
Farrah was married to Lee Majors who asked his pal Ryan O"Neal to look out for her while he was away ~1980. And he did. They were never married but were together for 17 years. He also starred in Paper Moon with his daughter Tatum O’Neal, who won Best Supporting Actress. Tatum later married and divorced John McEnroe.

Rush Limbaugh isn’t really involved in politics, so much as he commentates on politics. He’s a right-wing, conservative, nationally-syndicated radio talk show host. Even if you don’t listen to those kinds of programs, he’s had some influence on American culture, particularly coining the term “FemiNazi” to describe feminists. He’s also fodder for late-night talk-show hosts and stand-up comedians, especially the way he pontificates on family values and how the left are destroying the moral fiber of this country, all the while he’s abusing prescription painkillers, had several failed marriages, and hypocritical stuff like that. Plus, he’s fat, and everyone loves to make fun of fatsos.

So yeah, in this country at least, he’s not exactly obscure, and it’s surprising to find someone who’s never heard of him, even as a punchline to a joke.