# Bailout deal agreed to. McCain's"leadership" not required. **URL:** \ **Category:** Great Debates\ **Created:** [September 25, 2008, 5:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177 "2008-09-25T17:20:21Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 5
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/81 "2008-09-26T00:21:12Z")
Money first. ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/82 "2008-09-26T00:22:34Z")
And this just in… **Bailout Deal Appears To Fall Apart After McCain And House GOP Push Surprise Alternate Proposal** > **[ThinkProgress](https://thinkprogress.org/)** (Yeah, its a lefty site, if the facts are wrong, sneer at me, if not, bite me…) > [@](#): > > Earlier today, Democratic and Republican leaders in Congress announced that they had reached a “fundamental agreement” on a government bailout of the nation’s financial system. But following a meeting at the White House this afternoon, which included Sens. John McCain (R-AZ) and Barack Obama (D-IL), there are “fears the Wall Street bailout deal is falling apart.”… This is developing, and as yet there is no confirmation that this is Big John’s… But if it is, please visualize the following in 1,280 pt type: **WTF!?** ---
**Author:** ![ArizonaTeach](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/45deac/32.png) [@ArizonaTeach](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ArizonaTeach)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/83 "2008-09-26T00:32:35Z")
[From here.](http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93E28NG0&show_article=1) > [@](#): > > McCain, in particular, was being leaned on by Democrats and fellow Republicans alike to deliver GOP votes. So…it looks like McCain **might** be instrumental to getting a deal made. Heh. Of course, the claims are already being made that the fix is in. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/84 "2008-09-26T00:42:26Z")
> [@elucidator](#): > > And this just in… > > **Bailout Deal Appears To Fall Apart After McCain And House GOP Push Surprise Alternate Proposal** > > [http://thinkprogress.org/](http://thinkprogress.org/) > > (Yeah, its a lefty site, if the facts are wrong, sneer at me, if not, bite me…) > This is developing, and as yet there is no confirmation that this is Big John’s… > > But if it is, please visualize the following in 1,280 pt type: **WTF!?** > [@](#): > > Frank compared McCain’s involvement to: “Richard Nixon blowing up the Vietnam peace talks in 1968. The scary thing is, we all know how **that** election turned out. ---
**Author:** ![Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/e99b99/32.png) [@Diogenes\_the\_Cynic](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Diogenes_the_Cynic)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/85 "2008-09-26T00:42:35Z")
> [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > [From here.](http://www.breitbart.com/article.php?id=D93E28NG0&show_article=1) > > So…it looks like McCain **might** be instrumental to getting a deal made. Heh. > > Of course, the claims are already being made that the fix is in. It sounds like the Dems maybe wanted him to tell his bitches in the House to stop fucking around and grow the fuck up and quit being douches at the meeting, but McCain just sat there like a twat. And of course the fix is in. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/86 "2008-09-26T00:45:10Z")
> [@ArizonaTeach](#): > > Of course, the claims are already being made that the fix is in. **Whose?** ---
**Author:** ![elucidator](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/8edcca/32.png) [@elucidator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/elucidator)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 12:50am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/87 "2008-09-26T00:50:16Z")
Be really cool if it was our turn. Been a loooong time. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 1:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/88 "2008-09-26T01:04:17Z")
[And guess what’s **in** the McCain proposal.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0663DHLr58) :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![Cervaise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cervaise/32/16693_2.png) [@Cervaise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cervaise)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 1:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/89 "2008-09-26T01:27:22Z")
Oh, yeah, **that’s** gonna play well. ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 1:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/90 "2008-09-26T01:37:36Z")
And Chris Dodd [calls the WH meeting a “disaster” and says he’s “simply going to pretend that the meeting had never happened.”](http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/dodd-says-white-house-meeting/story.aspx?guid=%7BF849F192-D0CD-4456-BC50-751A5259D7F4%7D&dist=hpmp) ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 1:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/91 "2008-09-26T01:45:50Z")
John McCain the firefighter: “Hey, I’ve got some oily rags I can use to help you put this out!” ---
**Author:** ![UltraVires](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/u/ecccb3/32.png) [@UltraVires](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/UltraVires)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 1:51am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/92 "2008-09-26T01:51:41Z")
This is what I don’t understand: Bush supports it. Senate Dems and Repubs support it. House Dems support it. House GOP and McCain are opposed. Did I miss a constitutional amendment somewhere that legislation requires unanimous support? Pass it in the House over GOP objections and sign the bill into law… Why does everyone need to be on board? ---
**Author:** ![Raygun99](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/r/6f9a4e/32.png) [@Raygun99](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Raygun99)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 1:52am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/93 "2008-09-26T01:52:53Z")
My guess would be that the Dems want political cover. If you get most of the Republicans to vote for it, they can’t turn around and bitch about it afterwards. ---
**Author:** ![Leaper](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/l/4bbf92/32.png) [@Leaper](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaper)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 1:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/94 "2008-09-26T01:59:21Z")
To be fair, everything I’ve read suggests that the House Republicans are True Believers in fiscal conservatism. Many are the same folks who constantly pissed off fellow Pubs with crazy talk about “no more earmarks” and such. I think this might be McCain struggling for a solution to the dilemma **Biggirl** mentions, especially if he himself really doesn’t think the bailout will work. ---
**Author:** ![gonzomax](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/g/e8c25b/32.png) [@gonzomax](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gonzomax)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/95 "2008-09-26T02:01:27Z")
[At White House, McCain Plays Bailout Spoiler | HuffPost Latest News](http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2008/09/25/at-white-house-mccain-pla_n_129438.html) McCain sabotaged the deal. At least this article says that. He wanted to squeeze in a couple more breaks for the companies. I guess 700 billion is not enough. It may be he wants to hold up the deal til after the debate has to be canceled. It may be he will wait to the last second to appear to be saving the deal from the brink . But in any case he seems to be playing politics when the country needs help. ---
**Author:** ![Dangerosa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/22d042/32.png) [@Dangerosa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dangerosa)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 2:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/96 "2008-09-26T02:10:40Z")
> [@Sinaijon](#): > > Have you ever managed people? Phone calls, email, etc all go unanswered if the person in question doesn’t really want to do something. Sometimes walking over, standing right there, and asking point blank is necessary. > > Just like the Internet. People behave different in person. Probably a good thing you don’t have my job. I sit in Minnesota and manage people in California, Colorado, China, France, Pennsylvania, Thailand…if I had to walk over to people to get them to do anything, I’d fail at my job. ---
**Author:** ![Stephe96](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bbe5ce/32.png) [@Stephe96](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Stephe96)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 2:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/97 "2008-09-26T02:11:24Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > And Chris Dodd [calls the WH meeting a “disaster” and says he’s “simply going to pretend that the meeting had never happened.”](http://www.marketwatch.com/news/story/dodd-says-white-house-meeting/story.aspx?guid=%7BF849F192-D0CD-4456-BC50-751A5259D7F4%7D&dist=hpmp) Ha ha ha! Right. You mean the Chris Dodd who is the chair of the Senate Banking Committee _and_ the top recipient of Freddie Mac and Fannie Mae contributions? Talk about being asleep at the switch! :rolleyes: ---
**Author:** ![BrainGlutton](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/82dd89/32.png) [@BrainGlutton](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/BrainGlutton)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 2:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/98 "2008-09-26T02:12:53Z")
> [@Raygun99](#): > > John McCain the firefighter: “Hey, I’ve got some oily rags I can use to help you put this out!” [Or worse . . .](http://images.salon.com/comics/boll/2006/11/30/boll/story.gif) ---
**Author:** ![Frostillicus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/e9bcb4/32.png) [@Frostillicus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Frostillicus)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 2:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/99 "2008-09-26T02:54:04Z")
> [@BrainGlutton](#): > > [And guess what’s **in** the McCain proposal.](http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J0663DHLr58) :rolleyes: So McCain’s “plan” calls for: 1. more deregulation 2. tax cuts for big business Are you fucking kidding me? ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [September 26, 2008, 3:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177/100 "2008-09-26T03:05:04Z")
> [@Frostillicus](#): > > So McCain’s “plan” calls for: > > 1. more deregulation > 2. tax cuts for big business > > Are you fucking kidding me? Hey, it’s regulation that got us into this mess. If they hadn’t abolished debtors prisons people would have paid up. Meanwhile my own senator, Richard Shelby [R- AL] seems to have gotten pissed off and stormed out of the meeting (while singing something about molasses and rum and slaves). I think the Pubs may be self-mutilating in their attempt to pander. I think they’re getting text messages on polling numbers ever 2 minutes from their handlers- also that the walk-out was probably planned. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177.md?page=4) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bailout-deal-agreed-to-mccains-leadership-not-required/465177.md?page=6)