You mean like the descendants of the original Spanish colonists in New Mexico, Arizona and California? They don’t consider themselves to be Hispanic (they prefer to be called “Hispanos”) and don’t vote like what’s more commonly considered the “Hispanic” community in America - fourth-or-fewer-generation immigrants primarily from Mexico, Puerto Rico (technically not immigrants, but you know what I mean), the Dominican Republic and Cuba.
Logically, the argument about immigrant self-selection that was put forth in the quote I had responded about should apply as much to these groups as to Asian-Americans, but it does not seem to yield the same result.
FYI - Like most people from the West, my perception of Asians was that they are generally much shorter and smaller than the average Western man. This is due to the fact that most immigrants come from the southern region of China. Just as one might generalize that Italians are smaller compared to the Dutch. There are areas in China and Asia where the people are much taller. Professional Chinese basketball teams can field rosters with the same size as any NBA team. Not the same talent level but certainly the same size.
There are 900 roster spots in the NBA when you include the developmental league. Are you saying there is not one spot that could be given to an Asian if only to develop that player as project?
As a general rule, most teams play at most 10 of their 15 man roster. Jeremy Lin was one of those player who rarely got to play. When he did play, it was cringeworthy. When he got a chance to show what he could do, it was one of the greatest sports stories ever: Linsanity.
Somehow you think affirmative action is fine in occupations where the stakes are life and death such as a policeman or surgeon, but is unacceptable in a sporting event
It seems odd to me to focus on elite university admission rates when the evidence is consistent across a variety of other fields. We can argue about whether one, or two, or a dozen specific universities have practice that harms Asians, but the data is quite clear that discriminatory practices that harms Asians is prevalent across a much wider and larger scale.
As to the immigrant self-selection argument, I think you’ll find that the majority of those immigrants are not self-selecting in the same sense as, say, Chinese immigrants. They are, I would say, more circumstance-driven immigrants. A closer analogue on the Asian side would be e.g. Hmong and Bengali immigrants.
Basically, the Asian “model minority” idea breaks down rapidly when you look at individual ethnicities. Then it’s all over the place.
Would this level of evidence convince you that Jews were being discriminated against? URMs? How much evidence before the knee jerks in favor of asians?
Once again, this seems like a good argument for rescinding their tax exempt status.
Yes. He concludes that “The book concluded that Asian American applicants to United States colleges were much more likely to be rejected by seven elite colleges than were similar members of any other race” but he can’t prove its racism because the schools will not share their admissions data.
Since then Harvard has had to share some of its admissions data and the things that he said he didn’t have access to are now a little more available. And here’s what we have discovered:
Harvard admissions committees routinely score asian applicants lower on personal scores than whites despite the fact that alumni interviewers do not have a similar disparity in personal scores.
Harvard has a higher cut off to send recruitment material to asians than to whites.
So how exactly do you explain how the asian population has stayed flat for decades despite an ever increasing asian population?
I agree that there are a bunch of factors that weigh in the white applicant’s favor. The study corrected for legacy, athletics, extracurriculars. If you are basically saying that the 4 fold advantage that white students hold over asian students is primarily due to the number of white students coming from feeder schools, I’d have to ask for a cite that shows how white Andover graduates have higher acceptance rates than asians with similar scores, extracurriculars, athletic prferences and legacy status.
My understanding was that Andover was a feeder school because so many of the kids there are legacies, engage in inaccessible sports like crew and sailing, and are screened by the Andover admission process. I didn’t think you got an extra 400% bump because you went to Andover.
It’s a hot button issue for asians. It’s not like we don’t know that there is racism elsewhere. We see it at every level above middle management in corporate america. We see it when professors are granted tenure, we see it on dating apps and pornography, we see it in how teachers treat our kids. But a lot of asians sort of grit their teeth and grind through it because they think that their kids can get into a good college and have a better life. So when you start to take away their dream of a better life for their kids, it really bugs them.
I have never seen asians more politically active and motivated than they are now. And they are starting to move away from the Democrats.
Minorities leaving the Democratic plantation will only benefit them in the long term. Knowingly having a captive demographic means that they can be taken for granted.
God what an offensive and ignorant phrase that is. Do you know what plantations were really like? It’s like calling the Republican party the “Republican death camp”.
I don’t need to explain it; that’s what you’ve failed to do thus far. Again, you’ve offered us nothing concrete to dismiss. To support an anti-Asian bias, you referenced an author who doesn’t think his data establish an anti-Asian bias.