# Baker’s Dozen III **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 22, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093 "2022-08-22T15:39:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 157
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3121 "2023-09-16T18:37:53Z")
**Obscure (Non-Big 4) Sports** 1. Arm wrestling 2. Rhythmic Gymnastics 3. Race walking 4. Roller derby 5. Belt sander racing 6. [Octopush](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_hockey) 7. Jai alai 8. Curling 9. Caber toss 10. Pickle ball 11. Team handball ---
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**Obscure (Non-Big 4) Sports** 1. Arm wrestling 2. Rhythmic Gymnastics 3. Race walking 4. Roller derby 5. Belt sander racing 6. [Octopush](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_hockey) 7. Jai alai 8. Curling 9. Caber toss 10. Pickle ball 11. Team handball 12. Badminton ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [September 16, 2023, 7:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3123 "2023-09-16T19:16:56Z")
**Obscure (Non-Big 4) Sports** 1. Arm wrestling 2. Rhythmic Gymnastics 3. Race walking 4. Roller derby 5. Belt sander racing 6. [Octopush](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Underwater_hockey) 7. Jai alai 8. Curling 9. Caber toss 10. Pickle ball 11. Team handball 12. Badminton 13. Biathon It’s a combination of cross country skiing and rifle shooting Pass. ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3124 "2023-09-17T15:04:04Z")
I came here to post decathlon, being old enough to remember Bruce Jenner as its star Enough of sports! For the next category, if your answer is “all of them”, pick one whose name you know. **The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte ---
**Author:** ![Bayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bayaker/32/3454_2.png) [@Bayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bayaker)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 3:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3125 "2023-09-17T15:26:37Z")
**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten I haven’t seen very many in person, but have _listened_ to many, many operas. _Die Frau ohne Schatten_ is one that I have heard (once) but have NO desire to sit through a performance 🙂 ---
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**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro I have seen the Bugs Bunny cartoon though. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3127 "2023-09-17T17:15:45Z")
**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro 4. [Die Walküre](https://www.bing.com/ck/a?!&&p=5e4d61b0ce6500e6JmltdHM9MTY5NDkwODgwMCZpZ3VpZD0yMGU1MmMzNS05NDUwLTZhYzAtMzVmZi0yMmY0OTVmODZiZGMmaW5zaWQ9NTI1OQ&ptn=3&hsh=3&fclid=20e52c35-9450-6ac0-35ff-22f495f86bdc&psq=die+walkyre&u=a1aHR0cHM6Ly9lbi53aWtpcGVkaWEub3JnL3dpa2kvRGllX1dhbGslQzMlQkNyZQ&ntb=1) ---
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**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro 4. Die Walküre 5. La Bohème ---
**Author:** ![Skunkdog](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/c2a13f/32.png) [@Skunkdog](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Skunkdog)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3129 "2023-09-17T18:58:24Z")
**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro 4. Die Walküre 5. La Bohème 6. La Traviata or Il Trovatore I saw one or the other, but they’re both by Giuseppe Verdi. ---
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**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro 4. Die Walküre 5. La Bohème 6. La Traviata or Il Trovatore 7. The Pirates of Penzance ---
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**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro 4. Die Walküre 5. La Bohème 6. La Traviata or Il Trovatore 7. The Pirates of Penzance 8. Carmen ---
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**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro 4. Die Walküre 5. La Bohème 6. La Traviata or Il Trovatore 7. The Pirates of Penzance 8. Carmen 9. Tosca ---
**Author:** ![Bicycle\_Bill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bicycle_bill/32/6208_2.png) [@Bicycle\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bicycle_Bill)\ **Post date:** [September 17, 2023, 11:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3133 "2023-09-17T23:37:28Z")
**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro 4. Die Walküre 5. La Bohème 6. La Traviata or Il Trovatore 7. The Pirates of Penzance 8. Carmen 9. Tosca 10. Aida _ **-“BB”-** _ ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3134 "2023-09-18T02:38:43Z")
**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro 4. Die Walküre 5. La Bohème 6. La Traviata or Il Trovatore 7. The Pirates of Penzance 8. Carmen 9. Tosca 10. Aida 11. Nixon in China ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 2:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3135 "2023-09-18T02:44:06Z")
**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro 4. Die Walküre 5. La Bohème 6. La Traviata or Il Trovatore 7. The Pirates of Penzance 8. Carmen 9. Tosca 10. Aida 11. Nixon in China 12. H.M.S. _Pinafore_ ---
**Author:** ![Bicycle\_Bill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bicycle_bill/32/6208_2.png) [@Bicycle\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bicycle_Bill)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3136 "2023-09-18T04:36:17Z")
Noting both **The Pirates of Penzance** as well as **HMS Pinafore** here, which I understand are classified as operettas — which makes me wonder just what the difference is between an opera, an operetta, and an on-stage musical along the lines of **Chicago** , **Cabaret** , or **West Side Story**? _ **-“BB”-** _ ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 5:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3137 "2023-09-18T17:15:16Z")
_That_ could be a whole 'nother thread. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [September 18, 2023, 8:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/3138 "2023-09-18T20:36:29Z")
This will explain: [Opera vs. Operetta vs. Musical (utahopera.org)](https://utahopera.org/explore/2018/04/opera-vs-operetta-vs-musical/) ---
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@Bicycle_Bill good question and one that could well be a thread of its own! Thanks @Prof.Pepperwinkle for the informative link. As the originator of the category I’m fine with opera seria, opera buffa, verismo, operetta: [A Beginner's Guide to Opera Genres | English National Opera](https://www.eno.org/discover-opera/explore-more/a-beginners-guide-to-opera-genres/) Anyone who wants to finish up the category, please do! ---
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**The dreaded opera category! Operas that you haven’t seen in person** 1. Cosi fan Tutte 2. Die Frau ohne Schatten 3. The Marriage of Figaro 4. Die Walküre 5. La Bohème 6. La Traviata or Il Trovatore 7. The Pirates of Penzance 8. Carmen 9. Tosca 10. Aida 11. Nixon in China 12. H.M.S. _Pinafore_ 13. Don Carlos **Inventors (and one of their inventions)** 1. Eli Whitney (cotton gin) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093.md?page=156) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093.md?page=158)