# Baker’s Dozen III **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 22, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093 "2022-08-22T15:39:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 205
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4081 "2024-01-12T15:40:44Z")
**US Vice-Presidents Who Few People Remember** (and the years they served) 1. Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873) 2. Charles Gates Dawes (1925–1929) 3. Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977) 4. Garret Hobart (1897-1899) 5. William Wheeler (1877-1881) 6. Thomas A. Hendricks (March to November, 1885 - died in office) 7. Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 5:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4082 "2024-01-12T17:24:22Z")
**US Vice-Presidents Who Few People Remember** (and the years they served) 1. Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873) 2. Charles Gates Dawes (1925–1929) 3. Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977) 4. Garret Hobart (1897-1899) 5. William Wheeler (1877-1881) 6. Thomas A. Hendricks (March to November, 1885 - died in office) 7. Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814) 8. William R. King (March 4, 1853–April 18, 1853) One of the shortest tenures of any VP, and the only one to be sworn in abroad (by a US diplomat while he was in Cuba, by special Act of Congress): [William R. King - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/William_R._King) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 8:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4083 "2024-01-12T20:01:26Z")
**US Vice-Presidents Who Few People Remember** (and the years they served) 1. Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873) 2. Charles Gates Dawes (1925–1929) 3. Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977) 4. Garret Hobart (1897-1899) 5. William Wheeler (1877-1881) 6. Thomas A. Hendricks (March to November, 1885 - died in office) 7. Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814) 8. William R. King (March 4, 1853–April 18, 1853) 9. Adlai Stevenson I (1893-1897) Stevenson’s grandson, Adlai Ewing Stevenson II, is a better-known politician. He twice ran for the presidency and both times was defeated by Eisenhower. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 12, 2024, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4084 "2024-01-12T21:15:29Z")
**US Vice-Presidents Who Few People Remember** (and the years they served) 1. Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873) 2. Charles Gates Dawes (1925–1929) 3. Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977) 4. Garret Hobart (1897-1899) 5. William Wheeler (1877-1881) 6. Thomas A. Hendricks (March to November, 1885 - died in office) 7. Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814) 8. William R. King (March 4, 1853–April 18, 1853) 9. Adlai Stevenson I (1893-1897) 10. Alben Barkley (1949-1953) Harry Truman’s good friend from the Senate, and his running mate in the great upset election of 1948. The oldest VP yet, and the first about whom the term “Veep” was used. His house is now a small museum in Paducah, Ky., and I’ve visited it. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 12:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4085 "2024-01-13T12:50:39Z")
**US Vice-Presidents Who Few People Remember** (and the years they served) 1. Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873) 2. Charles Gates Dawes (1925–1929) 3. Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977) 4. Garret Hobart (1897-1899) 5. William Wheeler (1877-1881) 6. Thomas A. Hendricks (March to November, 1885 - died in office) 7. Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814) 8. William R. King (March 4, 1853–April 18, 1853) 9. Adlai Stevenson I (1893-1897) 10. Alben Barkley (1949-1953) 11. James S. Sherman (1909-1912) Taft’s VP. A genial congressman for much of his life, he had the non-ironic nickname “Sunny Jim”. ---
**Author:** ![knoodler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@knoodler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/knoodler)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4086 "2024-01-13T17:41:06Z")
**US Vice-Presidents Who Few People Remember** (and the years they served) 1. Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873) 2. Charles Gates Dawes (1925–1929) 3. Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977) 4. Garret Hobart (1897-1899) 5. William Wheeler (1877-1881) 6. Thomas A. Hendricks (March to November, 1885 - died in office) 7. Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814) 8. William R. King (March 4, 1853–April 18, 1853) 9. Adlai Stevenson I (1893-1897) 10. Alben Barkley (1949-1953) 11. James S. Sherman (1909-1912) 12. Henry Wilson (1873 – 1875; died in office) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 13, 2024, 8:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4087 "2024-01-13T20:19:26Z")
**US Vice-Presidents Who Few People Remember** (and the years they served) 1. Schuyler Colfax (1869-1873) 2. Charles Gates Dawes (1925–1929) 3. Nelson Rockefeller (1974-1977) 4. Garret Hobart (1897-1899) 5. William Wheeler (1877-1881) 6. Thomas A. Hendricks (March to November, 1885 - died in office) 7. Elbridge Gerry (1813-1814) 8. William R. King (March 4, 1853–April 18, 1853) 9. Adlai Stevenson I (1893-1897) 10. Alben Barkley (1949-1953) 11. James S. Sherman (1909-1912) 12. Henry Wilson (1873 – 1875; died in office) 13. Hannibal Hamlin (1861-1865) Lincoln’s first VP, a Republican of Maine. Dropped from the ticket in 1864; would, I believe, have been a far better President than Andrew Johnson, who replaced him. Pass. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 12:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4088 "2024-01-14T00:36:13Z")
**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 4:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4089 "2024-01-14T04:43:47Z")
**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 5:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4090 "2024-01-14T05:10:33Z")
**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) ---
**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4091 "2024-01-14T05:23:24Z")
**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) 4. Dean Acheson (1949-1953) ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 10:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4092 "2024-01-14T10:07:32Z")
**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) 4. Dean Acheson (1949-1953) 5. Thomas Jefferson (1790-93) ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 1:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4093 "2024-01-14T13:04:46Z")
**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) 4. Dean Acheson (1949-1953) 5. Thomas Jefferson (1790-93) 6. William Jennings Bryan (1913-1915) He was nominated for the Presidency three times and lost each time. But he’s best remembered as the lead attorney for the Prosecution in the Scopes trial in 1925. ---
**Author:** ![Bayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bayaker/32/3454_2.png) [@Bayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bayaker)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 1:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4094 "2024-01-14T13:05:23Z")
**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) 4. Dean Acheson (1949-1953) 5. Thomas Jefferson (1790-93) 6. William Jennings Bryan (1913-1915) 7. Frank B. Kellogg (1925 - 1929) Co-authored the Kellogg-Briand pact and got the Nobel Peace Prize for his efforts to produce a lasting peace (spoiler - it didn’t work). Some of its provisions were used to legitimize the Nuremberg trials beginning in 1945, and many are included in the Charter of the United Nations. ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4095 "2024-01-14T16:31:07Z")
**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) 4. Dean Acheson (1949-1953) 5. Thomas Jefferson (1790-93) 6. William Jennings Bryan (1913-1915) 7. Frank B. Kellogg (1925 - 1929) 8. Madeleine Albright (1997 - 2001) The first woman to hold the post. ---
**Author:** ![knoodler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@knoodler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/knoodler)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 4:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4096 "2024-01-14T16:47:12Z")
**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) 4. Dean Acheson (1949-1953) 5. Thomas Jefferson (1790-93) 6. William Jennings Bryan (1913-1915) 7. Frank B. Kellogg (1925 - 1929) 8. Madeleine Albright (1997 - 2001) 9. Daniel Webster (1841 - 1843), (1850 - 1852) Served as SOS under three administrations (WH Harrison; Tyler; Fillmore) ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [January 14, 2024, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4097 "2024-01-14T18:02:34Z")
**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) 4. Dean Acheson (1949-1953) 5. Thomas Jefferson (1790-93) 6. William Jennings Bryan (1913-1915) 7. Frank B. Kellogg (1925 - 1929) 8. Madeleine Albright (1997 - 2001) 9. Daniel Webster (1841 - 1843), (1850 - 1852) 10. James Madison (1801-1809) One of the several early SOS who later became president. None of the 1900s and 2000s SOS have advanced to the Presidency. Responsible for the Non-Intercourse Act of 1809; the word had a wider meaning back then. ---
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**Famous Secretaries Of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) 4. Dean Acheson (1949-1953) 5. Thomas Jefferson (1790-93) 6. William Jennings Bryan (1913-1915) 7. Frank B. Kellogg (1925 - 1929) 8. Madeleine Albright (1997 - 2001) 9. Daniel Webster (1841 - 1843), (1850 - 1852) 10. James Madison (1801-1809) 11. John Foster Dulles (1953-1959) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 3:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4099 "2024-01-15T15:04:40Z")
**Famous Secretaries of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) 4. Dean Acheson (1949-1953) 5. Thomas Jefferson (1790-93) 6. William Jennings Bryan (1913-1915) 7. Frank B. Kellogg (1925 - 1929) 8. Madeleine Albright (1997 - 2001) 9. Daniel Webster (1841 - 1843), (1850 - 1852) 10. James Madison (1801-1809) 11. John Foster Dulles (1953-1959) 12. Dean Rusk (1961-1969) Served under both JFK and LBJ. ---
**Author:** ![knoodler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@knoodler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/knoodler)\ **Post date:** [January 15, 2024, 4:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/4100 "2024-01-15T16:02:21Z")
**Famous Secretaries of State** 1. Henry Clay (1825-1829) 2. Hillary Clinton (2009-2013) 3. Henry Kissinger (1973-1977) 4. Dean Acheson (1949-1953) 5. Thomas Jefferson (1790-93) 6. William Jennings Bryan (1913-1915) 7. Frank B. Kellogg (1925 - 1929) 8. Madeleine Albright (1997 - 2001) 9. Daniel Webster (1841 - 1843), (1850 - 1852) 10. James Madison (1801-1809) 11. John Foster Dulles (1953-1959) 12. Dean Rusk (1961-1969) 13. Colin Powell (2001 - 2005) First person of color to serve as SOS; he was succeeded by Condoleeza Rice (2005 - 2009), the first woman of color. TIL Richard Mentor Johnson (1837 - 1841) served as veep under Van Buren, was “married” to a woman of color (Julia Chinn). He often referred to her as his bride, and she handled his estate in Kentucky while he was in Washington. pass [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093.md?page=204) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093.md?page=206)