# Baker’s Dozen III **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 22, 2022, 3:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093 "2022-08-22T15:39:52Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 458
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [January 25, 2026, 11:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9141 "2026-01-25T23:47:24Z")
**Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison The 1st VP to serve under 2 presidents. As Governor of NY, he opposed Hamilton and appeared in early drafts of the musical. His nephew, DeWitt Clinton, was much better known, for pushing through the construction of the Erie Canal. And @Elendil_s_Heir and anyone else who might know, I was thinking of including Indira Gandhi in the people killed by the military category above, but when I looked up her assassination, it calls Satwant and Beant Singh her bodyguards with no mention of a military connection. Would she have had hired private bodyguards? ---
**Author:** ![knoodler](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/k/ccd318/32.png) [@knoodler](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/knoodler)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2026, 5:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9142 "2026-01-26T05:04:16Z")
**Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison 4. Dan Quayle, VP from 1989-93, served under George Herbert Walker Bush I doubt you could find a more ineffective or milquetoast veep. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2026, 1:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9143 "2026-01-26T13:16:53Z")
**Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison 4. Dan Quayle, VP from 1989-93, served under George Herbert Walker Bush 5. William Rufus King, VP from March to April of 1853 serving under Franklin Pierce King became ill with tuberculosis and went down to the warmer air of Cuba to try and regain his health. A special act of Congress allowed him to take his oath of office down there, making him the only US president or vice president to ever take the oath on foreign soil. Eventually, he came back to the US, but died in April without ever discharging any of the duties of his office. Because the 25th amendment wouldn’t be enacted until the 1960s, there was no constitutional provision for fulfilling a vice presidential vacancy, and so President Pierce went the rest of his one term without a VP. It’s been speculated that King was a romantic partner to future President James Buchanan. They lived together for 13 years. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2026, 3:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9144 "2026-01-26T15:54:37Z")
Feel free to include biographical bits about your entry. For instance, I wasn’t aware of this fact: > [@ekedolphin](#): > > the only US president or vice president to ever take the oath on foreign soil Carry on. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2026, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9145 "2026-01-26T16:18:25Z")
I would argue that Quayle isn’t all that obscure, but potato/potatoe. **Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison 4. Dan Quayle, VP from 1989-93, served under George Herbert Walker Bush 5. William Rufus King, VP from March to April of 1853 serving under Franklin Pierce 6. Thomas Marshall, VP from 1913 to 1921, served under Woodrow Wilson “The epitome of the vice president as nonentity,” reads Marshall’s entry in an authoritative Senate history of the office. President Woodrow Wilson was a haughty Princetonian who considered Marshall a “small-caliber man.” Wilson also wrote that a VP’s only significance “consists in the fact that he may cease to be Vice President.” - [Smithsonian Mag](https://www.smithsonianmag.com/history/the-vice-presidents-that-history-forgot-137851151/). ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 26, 2026, 4:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9146 "2026-01-26T16:31:50Z")
> [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](#): > > I would argue that Quayle isn’t all that obscure, but potato/potatoe. ISWYDT **Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison 4. Dan Quayle, VP from 1989-93, served under George Herbert Walker Bush 5. William Rufus King, VP from March to April of 1853 serving under Franklin Pierce 6. Thomas Marshall, VP from 1913 to 1921, served under Woodrow Wilson 7. Thomas A. Hendricks. VP from March-November, 1885, served under Grover Cleveland Hendricks was also VP nominee in 1876, when he and presidential candidate Samuel Tilden won the popular vote but lost the EC by one vote to Rutherford Hayes and William Wheeler. Hendricks died of a heart attack 8 months after assuming office. ---
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**Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison 4. Dan Quayle, VP from 1989-93, served under George Herbert Walker Bush 5. William Rufus King, VP from March to April of 1853 serving under Franklin Pierce 6. Thomas Marshall, VP from 1913 to 1921, served under Woodrow Wilson 7. Thomas A. Hendricks. VP from March-November, 1885, served under Grover Cleveland 8. John Nance Garner, VP from 1933-1941, served under FDR during his first two terms Best known for his comments on the vice-presidency, claiming that the post “wasn’t worth a bucket of warm piss” and later lamenting that “the worst damnfool mistake I ever made was letting myself be elected Vice President of the United States. Should have stuck with my old chores as Speaker of the House. I gave up the second most important job in the Government for one that didn’t amount to a hill of beans.” _ **-“BB”-** _ ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [January 27, 2026, 5:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9148 "2026-01-27T17:36:24Z")
> [@gkster](#): > > And @Elendil_s_Heir and anyone else who might know, I was thinking of including Indira Gandhi in the people killed by the military category above, but when I looked up her assassination, it calls Satwant and Beant Singh her bodyguards with no mention of a military connection. Would she have had hired private bodyguards? The Wiki bios of both don’t say, but Google AI says, "Satwant Singh was a member of the Delhi Armed Police (part of the Delhi Police force), rather than the Indian Army. He was a police constable who was assigned to the special security branch (personal protection force) of Prime Minister Indira Gandhi. He was recruited into the police force in 1981 and assigned to the Prime Minister’s security detail. While some descriptions colloquially refer to him as a “soldier” due to his role in a special armed unit, his formal service branch was law enforcement under the Ministry of Home Affairs, specifically the Delhi Armed Police, not the Indian military." **Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison 4. Dan Quayle, VP from 1989-93, served under George Herbert Walker Bush 5. William Rufus King, VP from March to April of 1853 serving under Franklin Pierce 6. Thomas Marshall, VP from 1913 to 1921, served under Woodrow Wilson 7. Thomas A. Hendricks. VP from March-November, 1885, served under Grover Cleveland 8. John Nance Garner, VP from 1933-1941, served under FDR during his first two terms 9. Richard M. Johnson, VP from 1837-1841, served under Martin Van Buren for a single term I bet not one American in a thousand could tell you who Van Buren’s VP was. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2026, 1:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9149 "2026-01-28T13:44:05Z")
**Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison 4. Dan Quayle, VP from 1989-93, served under George Herbert Walker Bush 5. William Rufus King, VP from March to April of 1853 serving under Franklin Pierce 6. Thomas Marshall, VP from 1913 to 1921, served under Woodrow Wilson 7. Thomas A. Hendricks. VP from March-November, 1885, served under Grover Cleveland 8. John Nance Garner, VP from 1933-1941, served under FDR during his first two terms 9. Richard M. Johnson, VP from 1837-1841, served under Martin Van Buren for a single term 10. Hannibal Hamlin, VP from 1861-65, served in Abraham Lincoln’s first administration He was replaced by Andrew Johnson when Lincoln ran for re-election. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2026, 5:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9150 "2026-01-28T17:57:35Z")
**Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison 4. Dan Quayle, VP from 1989-93, served under George Herbert Walker Bush 5. William Rufus King, VP from March to April of 1853 serving under Franklin Pierce 6. Thomas Marshall, VP from 1913 to 1921, served under Woodrow Wilson 7. Thomas A. Hendricks. VP from March-November, 1885, served under Grover Cleveland 8. John Nance Garner, VP from 1933-1941, served under FDR during his first two terms 9. Richard M. Johnson, VP from 1837-1841, served under Martin Van Buren for a single term 10. Hannibal Hamlin, VP from 1861-65, served in Abraham Lincoln’s first administration 11. Spiro T. Agnew, VP from 1969 to 197e under Richard M. Nixon; resigned as part of a deal to keep him from being convicted of perfectly valid corruption charges ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2026, 6:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9151 "2026-01-28T18:51:56Z")
**Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison 4. Dan Quayle, VP from 1989-93, served under George Herbert Walker Bush 5. William Rufus King, VP from March to April of 1853 serving under Franklin Pierce 6. Thomas Marshall, VP from 1913 to 1921, served under Woodrow Wilson 7. Thomas A. Hendricks. VP from March-November, 1885, served under Grover Cleveland 8. John Nance Garner, VP from 1933-1941, served under FDR during his first two terms 9. Richard M. Johnson, VP from 1837-1841, served under Martin Van Buren for a single term 10. Hannibal Hamlin, VP from 1861-65, served in Abraham Lincoln’s first administration 11. Spiro T. Agnew, VP from 1969 to 1973 under Richard M. Nixon; resigned as part of a deal to keep him from being convicted of perfectly valid corruption charges 12. John C. Calhoun; VP from 1825 to 1832 under John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson He resigned with three months left in his second term, during the Nullification Crisis, so that he could become South Carolina’s Senator, and the current Senator (thought of as less capable than Calhoun of standing up for SC’s interests) could become governor. This was back when the state legislatures voted for U.S. Senate, instead of leaving it up to the people as is the case in the modern day. Along with George Clinton, he is one of only two VPs to serve under two different presidents. ---
**Author:** ![Railer13](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/railer13/32/9742_2.png) [@Railer13](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Railer13)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2026, 8:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9152 "2026-01-28T20:14:06Z")
[quote=“ekedolphin, post:9151, topic:970093”] **Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Daniel Tompkins, VP from 1817-1825, served under James Monroe 2. Garret Hobart, VP from 1897-99, served under William McKinley 3. George Clinton, VP from 1805-1812, served under Jefferson and Madison 4. Dan Quayle, VP from 1989-93, served under George Herbert Walker Bush 5. William Rufus King, VP from March to April of 1853 serving under Franklin Pierce 6. Thomas Marshall, VP from 1913 to 1921, served under Woodrow Wilson 7. Thomas A. Hendricks. VP from March-November, 1885, served under Grover Cleveland 8. John Nance Garner, VP from 1933-1941, served under FDR during his first two terms 9. Richard M. Johnson, VP from 1837-1841, served under Martin Van Buren for a single term 10. Hannibal Hamlin, VP from 1861-65, served in Abraham Lincoln’s first administration 11. Spiro T. Agnew, VP from 1969 to 1973 under Richard M. Nixon; resigned as part of a deal to keep him from being convicted of perfectly valid corruption charges 12. John C. Calhoun; VP from 1825 to 1832 under John Quincy Adams and Andrew Jackson 13. George M. Dallas, VP from 1845-1849, served under James K. Polk. Other than possibly having a large city named after him, he was not terribly newsworthy. I would also question the obscurity of Spiro Agnew. Certainly every Baby Boomer (and older) remembers when he resigned in 1973. But, again, YMMV. Since this was my topic, I’ll pass. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 28, 2026, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9153 "2026-01-28T23:26:04Z")
**Very Successful Professional Wrestlers Who Never Won a World Heavyweight Title** 1. Jake “The Snake” Roberts He never won _any_ championships in the WWF, WCW, or ECW. But I would call his run very successful anyway, because he was a big-time player in the WWF for years. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2026, 3:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9154 "2026-01-29T15:35:35Z")
**Very Successful Professional Wrestlers Who Never Won a World Heavyweight Title** 1. Jake “The Snake” Roberts 2. Jacques Rougeau Per Wikipedia, he won several “Heavyweight Championships” in the AWA and NWA but never a World Championship. ---
**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\ **Post date:** [January 29, 2026, 10:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iii/970093/9155 "2026-01-29T22:01:55Z")
**Very Successful Professional Wrestlers Who Never Won a World Heavyweight Title** 1. Jake “The Snake” Roberts 2. Jacques Rougeau 3. Arn Anderson He’s a four-time Television Champion and held NWA, WCW, and WWF tag-team titles with at least seven or eight different partners, but never held a World Heavyweight Title or even a United States Championship. Nevertheless, he’s a charter member of the legendary Four Horsemen and a member of the WWE Hall of Fame. ---
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Allow me to go hack and post one additional one… **Relatively Obscure US Vice Presidents** 1. Alexander H. Stephens — first and only vice-president of the Confederate States of America Now, THERE’S obscure for ya!!! We now return you to your regularly scehduled topic currently in progress… _ **-“BB”-** _ ---
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Sorry! No prize for second place in a civil war! End of hijack. ---
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Very Successful Professional Wrestlers Who Never Won a World Heavyweight Title 1. Jake “The Snake” Roberts 2. Jacques Rougeau 3. Arn Anderson 4. Big Daddy (Shirley Crabtree) The most well known name in British Wrestling ---
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Very Successful Professional Wrestlers Who Never Won a World Heavyweight Title 1. Jake “The Snake” Roberts 2. Jacques Rougeau 3. Arn Anderson 4. Big Daddy (Shirley Crabtree) 5. William Regal Former WWF Intercontinental, European, and Tag Team Champion. One of the greatest WCW World Television Champions of all-time. Co-founder of the Blackpool Combat Club in AEW as a manager. And he never held a World Heavyweight Title. ---
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