# Baker’s Dozen IV **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [September 18, 2026, 1:39pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177 "2026-09-18T13:39:13Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 20
**Author:** ![Bayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bayaker/32/3454_2.png) [@Bayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bayaker)\ **Post date:** [October 24, 2026, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177/381 "2026-10-24T15:56:59Z")
> [@burpo\_the\_wonder\_mutt](#): > > 1. Harry S Truman - UMKC School of law Just want to point out that Truman took a few night classes over two years, but never got any kind of degree. This was after dropping out of business school. ---
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Yes, I was surprised to see he had _any_ schooling. I’d heard he was a haberdasher! ---
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**U.S. presidents who did not attend an Ivy League school** 1. Gerald Ford - University of Michigan 2. Dwight D. Eisenhower - US Military Academy at West Point 3. James K. Polk - University of North Carolina 4. Jimmy Carter - United States Naval Academy 5. Lyndon Johnson - Southwest Texas State Teachers College 6. George Washington - Surveyor’s commission from William and Mary at age 17 (no degree) 7. Harry S Truman - UMKC School of law 8. Ronald Reagan - Eureka College ---
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**U.S. presidents who did not attend an Ivy League school** 1. Gerald Ford - University of Michigan 2. Dwight D. Eisenhower - US Military Academy at West Point 3. James K. Polk - University of North Carolina 4. Jimmy Carter - United States Naval Academy 5. Lyndon Johnson - Southwest Texas State Teachers College 6. George Washington - Surveyor’s commission from William and Mary at age 17 (no degree) 7. Harry S Truman - UMKC School of law 8. Ronald Reagan - Eureka College 9. Abraham Lincoln - admitted to the Illinois bar at age 27 (no degree) He had less than a year of formal schooling and was self-educated ---
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**U.S. presidents who did not attend an Ivy League school** 1. Gerald Ford - University of Michigan 2. Dwight D. Eisenhower - US Military Academy at West Point 3. James K. Polk - University of North Carolina 4. Jimmy Carter - United States Naval Academy 5. Lyndon Johnson - Southwest Texas State Teachers College 6. George Washington - Surveyor’s commission from William and Mary at age 17 (no degree) 7. Harry S Truman - UMKC School of law 8. Ronald Reagan - Eureka College 9. Abraham Lincoln - admitted to the Illinois bar at age 27 (no degree) 10. Joe Biden - University of Delaware, and then Syracuse Law School ---
**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2026, 12:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177/386 "2026-10-25T00:31:40Z")
**U.S. presidents who did not attend an Ivy League school** 1. Gerald Ford - University of Michigan 2. Dwight D. Eisenhower - US Military Academy at West Point 3. James K. Polk - University of North Carolina 4. Jimmy Carter - United States Naval Academy 5. Lyndon Johnson - Southwest Texas State Teachers College 6. George Washington - Surveyor’s commission from William and Mary at age 17 (no degree) 7. Harry S Truman - UMKC School of law 8. Ronald Reagan - Eureka College 9. Abraham Lincoln - admitted to the Illinois bar at age 27 (no degree) 10. Joe Biden - University of Delaware, and then Syracuse Law School 11. Richard Nixon - Whittier College, then Duke University Law School ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2026, 1:55am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177/387 "2026-10-25T01:55:42Z")
**U.S. presidents who did not attend an Ivy League school** 1. Gerald Ford - University of Michigan 2. Dwight D. Eisenhower - US Military Academy at West Point 3. James K. Polk - University of North Carolina 4. Jimmy Carter - United States Naval Academy 5. Lyndon Johnson - Southwest Texas State Teachers College 6. George Washington - Surveyor’s commission from William and Mary at age 17 (no degree) 7. Harry S Truman - UMKC School of law 8. Ronald Reagan - Eureka College 9. Abraham Lincoln - admitted to the Illinois bar at age 27 (no degree) 10. Joe Biden - University of Delaware, and then Syracuse Law School 11. Richard Nixon - Whittier College, then Duke University Law School 12. Herbert Hoover - Stanford University He was a member of the college’s first group of students. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2026, 4:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177/388 "2026-10-25T04:36:38Z")
**U.S. presidents who did not attend an Ivy League school** 1. Gerald Ford - University of Michigan 2. Dwight D. Eisenhower - US Military Academy at West Point 3. James K. Polk - University of North Carolina 4. Jimmy Carter - United States Naval Academy 5. Lyndon Johnson - Southwest Texas State Teachers College 6. George Washington - Surveyor’s commission from William and Mary at age 17 (no degree) 7. Harry S Truman - UMKC School of law 8. Ronald Reagan - Eureka College 9. Abraham Lincoln - admitted to the Illinois bar at age 27 (no degree) 10. Joe Biden - University of Delaware, and then Syracuse Law School 11. Richard Nixon - Whittier College, then Duke University Law School 12. Herbert Hoover - Stanford University 13. Andrew Johnson - largely self-educated; no college Next up: **Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2026, 6:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177/389 "2026-10-25T06:28:07Z")
**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2026, 2:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177/390 "2026-10-25T14:27:17Z")
1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2026, 2:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177/391 "2026-10-25T14:52:57Z")
**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 4. Benjamin Disraeli - 1868, 1874-1880 ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 25, 2026, 3:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177/392 "2026-10-25T15:42:43Z")
**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 4. Benjamin Disraeli - 1868, 1874-1880 5. Margaret Thatcher - the Iron Maiden ---
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**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 4. Benjamin Disraeli - 1868, 1874-1880 5. Margaret Thatcher - the Iron Maiden 6. Neville Chamberlain, served 1937-1940 – best known for signing the Munich Agreement, ceding the Czech region known as the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany, and then declaring that this deal represented “peace for our time”. _ **-“BB”-** _ ---
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**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 4. Benjamin Disraeli - 1868, 1874-1880 5. Margaret Thatcher - the Iron Maiden 6. Neville Chamberlain, served 1937-1940 – best known for signing the Munich Agreement, ceding the Czech region known as the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany, and then declaring that this deal represented “peace for our time”. 7. Tony Blair - advised the royal family during a period of national (and global) mourning following the death of Diana in 1997. ---
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**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 4. Benjamin Disraeli - 1868, 1874-1880 5. Margaret Thatcher - the Iron Maiden 6. Neville Chamberlain, served 1937-1940 – best known for signing the Munich Agreement, ceding the Czech region known as the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany, and then declaring that this deal represented “peace for our time”. 7. Tony Blair - advised the Royal Family during a period of national (and global) mourning following the death of Diana in 1997. 8. David Lloyd George - “Welsh Wizard” who led the UK to victory in WWI and was a mentor to Churchill ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2026, 3:06pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177/396 "2026-10-26T15:06:39Z")
**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 4. Benjamin Disraeli - 1868, 1874-1880 5. Margaret Thatcher - the Iron Maiden 6. Neville Chamberlain, served 1937-1940 – best known for signing the Munich Agreement, ceding the Czech region known as the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany, and then declaring that this deal represented “peace for our time”. 7. Tony Blair - advised the Royal Family during a period of national (and global) mourning following the death of Diana in 1997. 8. David Lloyd George - “Welsh Wizard” who led the UK to victory in WWI and was a mentor to Churchill 9. William Gladstone - 1868-1874, 1880-1885, 1886, 1892-1894 I remember when I was a littler Nemo, I assumed that Disraeli had been the liberal and Gladstone had been the conservative, based on their public images. I later learned it had been the other way around. ---
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**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 4. Benjamin Disraeli - 1868, 1874-1880 5. Margaret Thatcher - the Iron Maiden 6. Neville Chamberlain, served 1937-1940 – best known for signing the Munich Agreement, ceding the Czech region known as the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany, and then declaring that this deal represented “peace for our time”. 7. Tony Blair - advised the Royal Family during a period of national (and global) mourning following the death of Diana in 1997. 8. David Lloyd George - “Welsh Wizard” who led the UK to victory in WWI and was a mentor to Churchill 9. William Gladstone - 1868-1874, 1880-1885, 1886, 1892-1894 10. Earl Grey - 1830 - 1834 ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [October 26, 2026, 8:07pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177/398 "2026-10-26T20:07:15Z")
**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 4. Benjamin Disraeli - 1868, 1874-1880 5. Margaret Thatcher - the Iron Maiden 6. Neville Chamberlain, served 1937-1940 – best known for signing the Munich Agreement, ceding the Czech region known as the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany, and then declaring that this deal represented “peace for our time”. 7. Tony Blair - advised the Royal Family during a period of national (and global) mourning following the death of Diana in 1997. 8. David Lloyd George - “Welsh Wizard” who led the UK to victory in WWI and was a mentor to Churchill 9. William Gladstone - 1868-1874, 1880-1885, 1886, 1892-1894 10. Earl Grey - 1830 - 1834 11. Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington - 1828-1830 ---
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**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 4. Benjamin Disraeli - 1868, 1874-1880 5. Margaret Thatcher - the Iron Maiden 6. Neville Chamberlain, served 1937-1940 – best known for signing the Munich Agreement, ceding the Czech region known as the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany, and then declaring that this deal represented “peace for our time”. 7. Tony Blair - advised the Royal Family during a period of national (and global) mourning following the death of Diana in 1997. 8. David Lloyd George - “Welsh Wizard” who led the UK to victory in WWI and was a mentor to Churchill 9. William Gladstone - 1868-1874, 1880-1885, 1886, 1892-1894 10. Earl Grey - 1830 - 1834 11. Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington - 1828-1830 12. Clement Attlee - 1945-1951 ---
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**Notable British Prime Ministers** 1. Winston Churchill - ably led UK through the worst of WWII 2. Robert Walpole - the first PM, and also the longest-serving, 20 years (1721 - 1740) 3. Lord Palmerston - 1855-1858 and 1859 - 1865 4. Benjamin Disraeli - 1868, 1874-1880 5. Margaret Thatcher - the Iron Maiden 6. Neville Chamberlain, served 1937-1940 – best known for signing the Munich Agreement, ceding the Czech region known as the Sudetenland to Nazi Germany, and then declaring that this deal represented “peace for our time”. 7. Tony Blair - advised the Royal Family during a period of national (and global) mourning following the death of Diana in 1997. 8. David Lloyd George - “Welsh Wizard” who led the UK to victory in WWI and was a mentor to Churchill 9. William Gladstone - 1868-1874, 1880-1885, 1886, 1892-1894 10. Earl Grey - 1830 - 1834 11. Arthur Wellesley, the Duke of Wellington - 1828-1830 12. Clement Attlee - 1945-1951 13. William Pitt the Younger - 1783-1801, 1804-1806, at 24 years old the youngest British PM ever **Foods you might catch grief for liking** 1. American cheese [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177.md?page=19) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/baker-s-dozen-iv/1033177.md?page=21)