# Baker's Dozen II (Part 1) **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [January 25, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938 "2020-01-25T03:38:46Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 150
**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 2:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2981 "2020-07-20T14:10:05Z")
Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 2:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2982 "2020-07-20T14:54:36Z")
Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) > **[Amharic](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Amharic)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > > Amharic (/æmˈhærɪk/ or /ɑːmˈhɑːrɪk/; (Amharic: አማርኛ), Amarəñña, IPA: \[amarɨɲːa\] (listen)) is an Ethiopian Semitic language, which is a subgrouping within the Semitic branch of the Afroasiatic languages. It is spoken as a first language by the Amharas, and also serves as a lingua franca for all other populations residing in major cities and towns of Ethiopia. > The language serves as the official working language of the Ethiopian federal government,... ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 4:27pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2983 "2020-07-20T16:27:37Z")
Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) 6. Tengwar (Numenor, Gondor, Mordor, etc.) > **[Tengwar](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tengwar)** > > Pages for logged out editors learn more > > The Tengwar script is an artificial script, one of several scripts created by J. R. R. Tolkien, the author of The Lord of the Rings. > Within the fictional context of Middle-earth, the Tengwar were invented by the Elf Fëanor, and used first to write the Elven tongues Quenya and Telerin. Later a great number of languages of Middle-earth were written using the Tengwar, including Sindarin. Tolkien used Tengwar to write English: most of Tolkien's Tengwar... ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 5:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2984 "2020-07-20T17:52:47Z")
[quote=“Elendil\_s\_Heir, post:2983, topic:846938”] Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) 6. Tengwar (Numenor, Gondor, Mordor, etc.) 7. Arabic ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 6:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2985 "2020-07-20T18:31:12Z")
Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) 6. Tengwar (Numenor, Gondor, Mordor, etc.) 7. Arabic 8. Hebrew ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2986 "2020-07-20T18:59:34Z")
Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) 6. Tengwar (Numenor, Gondor, Mordor, etc.) 7. Arabic 8. Hebrew 9. Armenian ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 20, 2020, 7:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2987 "2020-07-20T19:37:02Z")
Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) 6. Tengwar (Numenor, Gondor, Mordor, etc.) 7. Arabic 8. Hebrew 9. Armenian 10. Yiddish ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 2:37am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2988 "2020-07-21T02:37:44Z")
Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) 6. Tengwar (Numenor, Gondor, Mordor, etc.) 7. Arabic 8. Hebrew 9. Armenian 10. Yiddish 11. Korean ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2989 "2020-07-21T04:26:27Z")
Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) 6. Tengwar (Numenor, Gondor, Mordor, etc.) 7. Arabic 8. Hebrew 9. Armenian 10. Yiddish 11. Korean 12. Hawaiian ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 5:31am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2990 "2020-07-21T05:31:51Z")
What does the Hawaiian alphabet look like, and in what country is it used for the main language? ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2991 "2020-07-21T05:43:24Z")
What is this category supposed to be? Its description so far has been cryptic and inadequate. ---
**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 8:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2992 "2020-07-21T08:10:55Z")
Phonetic alphabets typically assign one or more sounds to a symbol (that is, an alphabet letter), though there can be exceptions. Thinking of English is a bad example, as we English speakers use the Latin alphabet (26 letters) to represent about 44 to 46 sounds in the English language, some of which we also pronounce when two letters (i.e. symbols) are combined: think “ph” to represent an “f” sound, as in “phone”; or “ou” to create another vowel sound in words such as “house” and “about.” As one who can speak, read, and write Russian, although I haven’t for years, I’d suggest that Cyrillic is a better example. All but two symbols (alphabet characters) in the 33-symbol Cyrillic alphabet are pronounced like their sound; and the two symbols that are not pronounced simply dictate how the preceding consonant is sounded. Again, there are exceptions to pronunciation rules, but only a few; and if you know those, you can read/sound your way aloud through anything written in Russian like a pro, though you may have no idea of the meaning of what you are reading. Contrast this with written Chinese, where a symbol indicates a concept, idea, or thing, but gives you no clue as to how to pronounce it, if you don’t already know. But that’s what the OP of this topic is getting at: alphabets with a sound-symbol correspondence, not a sound-concept or sound-idea correspondence. Does this help, **Bullitt**? ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 8:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2993 "2020-07-21T08:44:47Z")
Thank you, @Spoons, for that. Quite helpful. I’ll withdraw Hawaiian! BTW my grandfather was Russian. When he moved to the Philippines (where he met my grandmother, and they created my mother) he learned English and he said it was a very difficult language to learn because when you read the words, sounding out the letters did not get you to the pronunciation you wanted. Words like walked and talked, he would pronounce them like wal-KED and tal-KED. Updated list… Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) 6. Tengwar (Numenor, Gondor, Mordor, etc.) 7. Arabic 8. Hebrew 9. Armenian 10. Yiddish 11. Korean ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 3:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2994 "2020-07-21T15:52:04Z")
[quote=“Bullitt, post:2993, topic:846938”] Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) 6. Tengwar (Numenor, Gondor, Mordor, etc.) 7. Arabic 8. Hebrew 9. Armenian 10. Yiddish 11. Korean 12. Coptic (Egyptian) ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 6:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2995 "2020-07-21T18:00:13Z")
Phonetic alphabets that are used in at least one country’s language 1. Roman - English and most European languages 2. Cyrillic - Russian and related languages 3. Greek 4. Shavian alphabet 5. Amharic (Ethiopia) 6. Tengwar (Numenor, Gondor, Mordor, etc.) 7. Arabic 8. Hebrew 9. Armenian 10. Yiddish 11. Korean 12. Coptic (Egyptian) 13. Baybayin (ancient Tagalog, Ilokano, Visayan and other languages of the Philippines) [Baybayin - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baybayin) ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [July 21, 2020, 6:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/2996 "2020-07-21T18:02:59Z")
New It’s hot! single words or longer phrases that indicate high temperature 1. you could fry an egg on the sidewalk ---
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It’s hot! single words or longer phrases that indicate high temperature 1. you could fry an egg on the sidewalk 2. It’s hot enough to boil a monkey’s bum here, your Majesty ---
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It’s hot! single words or longer phrases that indicate high temperature 1. you could fry an egg on the sidewalk 2. It’s hot enough to boil a monkey’s bum here, your Majesty 3. Hotter than Dutch love. My mother used to say this. ---
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It’s hot! single words or longer phrases that indicate high temperature 1. you could fry an egg on the sidewalk 2. It’s hot enough to boil a monkey’s bum here, your Majesty 3. Hotter than Dutch love. 4. Hotter’n a whore’s doorknob on nickel night. ---
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It’s hot! single words or longer phrases that indicate high temperature 1. you could fry an egg on the sidewalk 2. It’s hot enough to boil a monkey’s bum here, your Majesty 3. Hotter than Dutch love. 4. Hotter’n a whore’s doorknob on nickel night. 5. Hotter than a three-dollar pistol [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938.md?page=149) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938.md?page=151)