# Baker's Dozen II (Part 1)

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [January 25, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938 "2020-01-25T03:38:46Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2021, 3:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7484 "2021-09-18T15:17:27Z")

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**Flawed heroes**

1. Rick Blaine, _Casablanca_
2. Heathcliff, _Wuthering Heights_
3. Han Solo, _Star Wars_
4. Fitzwilliam Darcy, _Pride & Prejudice_
5. Randy “The Ram” Robinson, _The Wrestler_
6. McMurphy, _One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest_
7. Sherlock Holmes, _The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes_
8. Harry Feversham, _The Four Feathers_
9. Simon Templar, _The Saint in New York_
10. Claudio, _Much Ado About Nothing_

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2021, 3:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7485 "2021-09-18T15:41:31Z")

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**Flawed heroes**

1. Rick Blaine, _Casablanca_
2. Heathcliff, _Wuthering Heights_
3. Han Solo, _Star Wars_
4. Fitzwilliam Darcy, _Pride & Prejudice_
5. Randy “The Ram” Robinson, _The Wrestler_
6. McMurphy, _One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest_
7. Sherlock Holmes, _The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes_
8. Harry Feversham, _The Four Feathers_
9. Simon Templar, _The Saint in New York_
10. Claudio, _Much Ado About Nothing_
11. Lt. Harry H. Morant, _Breaker Morant_

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**Author:** ![Bicycle\_Bill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bicycle_bill/32/6208_2.png) [@Bicycle\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bicycle_Bill)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2021, 4:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7486 "2021-09-18T16:05:17Z")

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**Flawed heroes**

1. Rick Blaine, _Casablanca_
2. Heathcliff, _Wuthering Heights_
3. Han Solo, _Star Wars_
4. Fitzwilliam Darcy, _Pride & Prejudice_
5. Randy “The Ram” Robinson, _The Wrestler_
6. McMurphy, _One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest_
7. Sherlock Holmes, _The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes_
8. Harry Feversham, _The Four Feathers_
9. Simon Templar, _The Saint in New York_
10. Claudio, _Much Ado About Nothing_
11. Lt. Harry H. Morant, _Breaker Morant_
12. Johnny Hooker and/or Henry Gondorff (take your pick), _The Sting_

_ **-“BB”-** _

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**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\
**Post date:** [September 18, 2021, 10:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7487 "2021-09-18T22:24:50Z")

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**Flawed heroes**

1. Rick Blaine, _Casablanca_
2. Heathcliff, _Wuthering Heights_
3. Han Solo, _Star Wars_
4. Fitzwilliam Darcy, _Pride & Prejudice_
5. Randy “The Ram” Robinson, _The Wrestler_
6. McMurphy, _One Flew Over The Cuckoo’s Nest_
7. Sherlock Holmes, _The Adventures of Sherlock Holmes_
8. Harry Feversham, _The Four Feathers_
9. Simon Templar, _The Saint in New York_
10. Claudio, _Much Ado About Nothing_
11. Lt. Harry H. Morant, _Breaker Morant_
12. Johnny Hooker and/or Henry Gondorff (take your pick), _The Sting_
13. Lucas “Luke” Jackson, _Cool Hand Luke_

Next subject.

**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 12:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7488 "2021-09-19T00:34:10Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_, _Black Widow_

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7489 "2021-09-19T01:20:59Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 1:47am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7490 "2021-09-19T01:47:41Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_
4. Emma Woodhouse, _Emma_

According to her creator Jane Austen, “a heroine whom no one but myself will much like”.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 2:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7491 "2021-09-19T02:38:42Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_
4. Emma Woodhouse, _Emma_
5. Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley, _Alien_

And the later movies, naturally.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:18am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7492 "2021-09-19T04:18:27Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_
4. Emma Woodhouse, _Emma_
5. Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley, _Alien_
6. Gloria Swenson, _Gloria_ (1980)

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**Author:** ![llikewise](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/llikewise/32/8522_2.png) [@llikewise](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/llikewise)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7493 "2021-09-19T16:45:27Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_
4. Emma Woodhouse, _Emma_
5. Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley, _Alien_
6. Gloria Swenson, _Gloria_ (1980)
7. Lynn Bracken, _L.A. Confidential_

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7494 "2021-09-19T16:55:33Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_
4. Emma Woodhouse, _Emma_
5. Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley, _Alien_
6. Gloria Swenson, _Gloria_ (1980)
7. Lynn Bracken, _L.A. Confidential_
8. Judy Benjamin, _Private Benjamin_

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**Author:** ![Bicycle\_Bill](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bicycle_bill/32/6208_2.png) [@Bicycle\_Bill](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bicycle_Bill)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 5:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7495 "2021-09-19T17:13:48Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_
4. Emma Woodhouse, _Emma_
5. Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley, _Alien_
6. Gloria Swenson, _Gloria_ (1980)
7. Lynn Bracken, _L.A. Confidential_
8. Judy Benjamin, _Private Benjamin_
9. Scarlett O’Hara, _Gone With The Wind_

_ **-“BB”-** _

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 19, 2021, 5:51pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7496 "2021-09-19T17:51:15Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_
4. Emma Woodhouse, _Emma_
5. Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley, _Alien_
6. Gloria Swenson, _Gloria_ (1980)
7. Lynn Bracken, _L.A. Confidential_
8. Judy Benjamin, _Private Benjamin_
9. Scarlett O’Hara, _Gone With The Wind_
10. Lizzie Bennet, _Pride & Prejudice_

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 9:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7497 "2021-09-21T21:35:59Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_
4. Emma Woodhouse, _Emma_
5. Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley, _Alien_
6. Gloria Swenson, _Gloria_ (1980)
7. Lynn Bracken, _L.A. Confidential_
8. Judy Benjamin, _Private Benjamin_
9. Scarlett O’Hara, _Gone With The Wind_
10. Lizzie Bennet, _Pride & Prejudice_
11. Natasha Rostova, _War and Peace_

I like her better than Tolstoy’s other famous flawed heroine

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 9:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7498 "2021-09-21T21:49:46Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_
4. Emma Woodhouse, _Emma_
5. Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley, _Alien_
6. Gloria Swenson, _Gloria_ (1980)
7. Lynn Bracken, _L.A. Confidential_
8. Judy Benjamin, _Private Benjamin_
9. Scarlett O’Hara, _Gone With The Wind_
10. Lizzie Bennet, _Pride & Prejudice_
11. Natasha Rostova, _War and Peace_
12. Kinsey Milhone, _Alphabet mystery series by Sue Grafton_

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 10:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7499 "2021-09-21T22:28:13Z")

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**Flawed heroines**

1. Bree Daniels, _Klute_
2. Natasha Romanoff, _Avengers_ , _Black Widow_
3. Gloria Beatty, _They Shoot Horses, Don’t They?_
4. Emma Woodhouse, _Emma_
5. Warrant Officer Ellen Ripley, _Alien_
6. Gloria Swenson, _Gloria_ (1980)
7. Lynn Bracken, _L.A. Confidential_
8. Judy Benjamin, _Private Benjamin_
9. Scarlett O’Hara, _Gone With The Wind_
10. Lizzie Bennet, _Pride & Prejudice_
11. Natasha Rostova, _War and Peace_
12. Kinsey Milhone, _Alphabet mystery series by Sue Grafton_
13. Dominique Francon, _The Fountainhead_

Pass

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 10:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7500 "2021-09-21T22:50:04Z")

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### Simians

1. Chimpanzee

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 11:34pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7501 "2021-09-21T23:34:11Z")

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Simians

1. Chimpanzee
2. Gorillas

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [September 21, 2021, 11:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7502 "2021-09-21T23:52:23Z")

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Simians

1. Chimpanzee
2. Gorillas
3. Spider monkey

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [September 22, 2021, 4:34am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7503 "2021-09-22T04:34:40Z")

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**Simians**

1. Chimpanzee
2. Gorillas
3. Spider monkey
4. Orangutan

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