# Baker's Dozen II (Part 1)

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**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [January 25, 2020, 3:38am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938 "2020-01-25T03:38:46Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 12:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7544 "2021-09-27T12:31:55Z")

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**Least favorite fictional characters who aren’t outright villains - and five words to explain why**

1. The title character of _Bartleby the Scrivener_ by Herman Melville - maddeningly unhelpful; should be fired
2. Mrs. Norris in Jane Austen’s _Mansfield Park_ - officious, interfering, mean, plays favorites
3. Mr. Bumble, of _Oliver Twist_ by Charles Dickens - arrogant, unfeeling, self-important fatuous tyrant
4. Gus Webb, in Ayn Rand’s _The Fountainhead_ - vulgar, nihilistic, anti-intellectual “second hander”
5. Severus Snape, _Harry Potter_ series - all because Lily loved another
6. Jenny Schecter, _The L Word_ - Selfish, narcissistic, sociopathic, gateway character
7. Toby Ziegler, _The West Wing_ - Arrogant, waspish, bossy, sarcastic jerk
8. Deacon Muskrat, _Pogo_ - Sanctimonious snob who’s also insecure.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 27, 2021, 4:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7545 "2021-09-27T16:57:50Z")

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**Least favorite fictional characters who aren’t outright villains - and five words to explain why**

1. The title character of _Bartleby the Scrivener_ by Herman Melville - maddeningly unhelpful; should be fired
2. Mrs. Norris in Jane Austen’s _Mansfield Park_ - officious, interfering, mean, plays favorites
3. Mr. Bumble, of _Oliver Twist_ by Charles Dickens - arrogant, unfeeling, self-important fatuous tyrant
4. Gus Webb, in Ayn Rand’s _The Fountainhead_ - vulgar, nihilistic, anti-intellectual “second hander”
5. Severus Snape, _Harry Potter_ series - all because Lily loved another
6. Jenny Schecter, _The L Word_ - Selfish, narcissistic, sociopathic, gateway character
7. Toby Ziegler, _The West Wing_ - Arrogant, waspish, bossy, sarcastic jerk
8. Deacon Muskrat, _Pogo_ - Sanctimonious snob who’s also insecure.
9. Marie Barone, _Everybody Loves Raymond_ - Snarky, manipulative, nasty, bossy mother-in-law

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 5:29pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7546 "2021-09-28T17:29:53Z")

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**Least favorite fictional characters who aren’t outright villains - and five words to explain why**

1. The title character of _Bartleby the Scrivener_ by Herman Melville - maddeningly unhelpful; should be fired
2. Mrs. Norris in Jane Austen’s _Mansfield Park_ - officious, interfering, mean, plays favorites
3. Mr. Bumble, of _Oliver Twist_ by Charles Dickens - arrogant, unfeeling, self-important fatuous tyrant
4. Gus Webb, in Ayn Rand’s _The Fountainhead_ - vulgar, nihilistic, anti-intellectual “second hander”
5. Severus Snape, _Harry Potter_ series - all because Lily loved another
6. Jenny Schecter, _The L Word_ - Selfish, narcissistic, sociopathic, gateway character
7. Toby Ziegler, _The West Wing_ - Arrogant, waspish, bossy, sarcastic jerk
8. Deacon Muskrat, _Pogo_ - Sanctimonious snob who’s also insecure.
9. Marie Barone, _Everybody Loves Raymond_ - Snarky, manipulative, nasty, bossy mother-in-law
10. Eeyore, _Winnie the Pooh_ - self-pitying mopey bore, needs Prozac

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 6:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7547 "2021-09-28T18:58:25Z")

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**Least favorite fictional characters who aren’t outright villains - and five words to explain why**

1. The title character of _Bartleby the Scrivener_ by Herman Melville - maddeningly unhelpful; should be fired
2. Mrs. Norris in Jane Austen’s _Mansfield Park_ - officious, interfering, mean, plays favorites
3. Mr. Bumble, of _Oliver Twist_ by Charles Dickens - arrogant, unfeeling, self-important fatuous tyrant
4. Gus Webb, in Ayn Rand’s _The Fountainhead_ - vulgar, nihilistic, anti-intellectual “second hander”
5. Severus Snape, _Harry Potter_ series - all because Lily loved another
6. Jenny Schecter, _The L Word_ - Selfish, narcissistic, sociopathic, gateway character
7. Toby Ziegler, _The West Wing_ - Arrogant, waspish, bossy, sarcastic jerk
8. Deacon Muskrat, _Pogo_ - Sanctimonious snob who’s also insecure.
9. Marie Barone, _Everybody Loves Raymond_ - Snarky, manipulative, nasty, bossy mother-in-law
10. Eeyore, _Winnie the Pooh_ - self-pitying mopey bore, needs Prozac
11. Marilyn, _Northern Exposure_ - Passive-aggressive, sullen secretary to doc

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**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 7:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7548 "2021-09-28T19:00:36Z")

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**Least favorite fictional characters who aren’t outright villains - and five words to explain why**

1. The title character of _Bartleby the Scrivener_ by Herman Melville - maddeningly unhelpful; should be fired
2. Mrs. Norris in Jane Austen’s _Mansfield Park_ - officious, interfering, mean, plays favorites
3. Mr. Bumble, of _Oliver Twist_ by Charles Dickens - arrogant, unfeeling, self-important fatuous tyrant
4. Gus Webb, in Ayn Rand’s _The Fountainhead_ - vulgar, nihilistic, anti-intellectual “second hander”
5. Severus Snape, _Harry Potter_ series - all because Lily loved another
6. Jenny Schecter, _The L Word_ - Selfish, narcissistic, sociopathic, gateway character
7. Toby Ziegler, _The West Wing_ - Arrogant, waspish, bossy, sarcastic jerk
8. Deacon Muskrat, _Pogo_ - Sanctimonious snob who’s also insecure.
9. Marie Barone, _Everybody Loves Raymond_ - Snarky, manipulative, nasty, bossy mother-in-law
10. Eeyore, _Winnie the Pooh_ - self-pitying mopey bore, needs Prozac
11. Jar Jar Binks, _Star Wars_ prequels - Annoying vocalization, mannerisms, and pratfalling.

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**Author:** ![Bayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bayaker/32/3454_2.png) [@Bayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bayaker)\
**Post date:** [September 28, 2021, 9:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7549 "2021-09-28T21:58:40Z")

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Housekeeping:

**Least favorite fictional characters who aren’t outright villains - and five words to explain why**

1. The title character of _Bartleby the Scrivener_ by Herman Melville - maddeningly unhelpful; should be fired
2. Mrs. Norris in Jane Austen’s _Mansfield Park_ - officious, interfering, mean, plays favorites
3. Mr. Bumble, of _Oliver Twist_ by Charles Dickens - arrogant, unfeeling, self-important fatuous tyrant
4. Gus Webb, in Ayn Rand’s _The Fountainhead_ - vulgar, nihilistic, anti-intellectual “second hander”
5. Severus Snape, _Harry Potter_ series - all because Lily loved another
6. Jenny Schecter, _The L Word_ - Selfish, narcissistic, sociopathic, gateway character
7. Toby Ziegler, _The West Wing_ - Arrogant, waspish, bossy, sarcastic jerk
8. Deacon Muskrat, _Pogo_ - Sanctimonious snob who’s also insecure.
9. Marie Barone, _Everybody Loves Raymond_ - Snarky, manipulative, nasty, bossy mother-in-law
10. Eeyore, _Winnie the Pooh_ - self-pitying mopey bore, needs Prozac
11. Marilyn, _Northern Exposure_ - Passive-aggressive, sullen secretary to doc
12. Jar Jar Binks, _Star Wars_ prequels - Annoying vocalization, mannerisms, and pratfalling.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 4:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7550 "2021-09-29T16:28:02Z")

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**Least favorite fictional characters who aren’t outright villains - and five words to explain why**

1. The title character of _Bartleby the Scrivener_ by Herman Melville - maddeningly unhelpful; should be fired
2. Mrs. Norris in Jane Austen’s _Mansfield Park_ - officious, interfering, mean, plays favorites
3. Mr. Bumble, of _Oliver Twist_ by Charles Dickens - arrogant, unfeeling, self-important fatuous tyrant
4. Gus Webb, in Ayn Rand’s _The Fountainhead_ - vulgar, nihilistic, anti-intellectual “second hander”
5. Severus Snape, _Harry Potter_ series - all because Lily loved another
6. Jenny Schecter, _The L Word_ - Selfish, narcissistic, sociopathic, gateway character
7. Toby Ziegler, _The West Wing_ - Arrogant, waspish, bossy, sarcastic jerk
8. Deacon Muskrat, _Pogo_ - Sanctimonious snob who’s also insecure.
9. Marie Barone, _Everybody Loves Raymond_ - Snarky, manipulative, nasty, bossy mother-in-law
10. Eeyore, _Winnie the Pooh_ - self-pitying mopey bore, needs Prozac
11. Marilyn, _Northern Exposure_ - Passive-aggressive, sullen secretary to doc
12. Jar Jar Binks, _Star Wars_ prequels - Annoying vocalization, mannerisms, and pratfalling.
13. Fanny Dashwood, _Sense and Sensibility_ - Snooty, selfish, unromantic Georgian lady

Pass.

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 4:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7551 "2021-09-29T16:56:07Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia

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**Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7552 "2021-09-29T17:10:20Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion

_ **-“BB”-** _

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 5:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7553 "2021-09-29T17:33:16Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 7:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7554 "2021-09-29T19:33:27Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus
4. Aquila

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 8:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7555 "2021-09-29T20:03:17Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus
4. Aquila
5. Crux AKA Southern Cross

It’s been 25+ years since I saw it

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 8:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7556 "2021-09-29T20:22:33Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus
4. Aquila
5. Crux AKA Southern Cross
6. Big Dipper

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**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\
**Post date:** [September 29, 2021, 8:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7557 "2021-09-29T20:23:29Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus
4. Aquila
5. Crux AKA Southern Cross
6. Big Dipper
7. Crux

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 12:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7558 "2021-09-30T00:41:50Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus
4. Aquila
5. Crux AKA Southern Cross
6. Big Dipper
7. Crux
8. Draco

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**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 2:27am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7559 "2021-09-30T02:27:40Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus
4. Aquila
5. Crux AKA Southern Cross
6. Big Dipper
7. Crux
8. Draco
9. Boötes

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**Author:** ![Bayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bayaker/32/3454_2.png) [@Bayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bayaker)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 12:00pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7560 "2021-09-30T12:00:03Z")

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Replacing #7, which was already listed at #5:

**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus
4. Aquila
5. Crux AKA Southern Cross
6. Big Dipper
7. Pegasus
8. Draco
9. Boötes

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 12:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7561 "2021-09-30T12:54:33Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus
4. Aquila
5. Crux AKA Southern Cross
6. Big Dipper
7. Pegasus
8. Draco
9. Boötes
10. Delphinus

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 7:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7562 "2021-09-30T19:14:36Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus
4. Aquila
5. Crux AKA Southern Cross
6. Big Dipper
7. Pegasus
8. Draco
9. Boötes
10. Delphinus
11. USS _Constellation_

Now in Baltimore: [USS Constellation (1854) - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/USS_Constellation_(1854))

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [September 30, 2021, 10:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen-ii-part-1/846938/7563 "2021-09-30T22:41:57Z")

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**Non-Zodiacal Constellations**

1. Cassiopeia
2. Orion
3. Ophiuchus
4. Aquila
5. Crux AKA Southern Cross
6. Big Dipper
7. Pegasus
8. Draco
9. Boötes
10. Delphinus
11. USS _Constellation_
12. Hercules

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