# Bakers Dozen

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Bellhorn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@Bellhorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bellhorn)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 6:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22604 "2014-01-31T18:37:51Z")

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Doonesbury characters

1. Zonker
2. Joan Caucus
3. Rufus (Thor) Jackson
4. Mike
5. Alice P. Schwarzman
6. Duke
7. Mark Slackmeyer
8. Saliva “Sal” Putrid (aka Ben Doonesburry), Mike punk rock brother (a character that showed how completely out to lunch Trudeau was about Seventies rock culture)
9. Lacey Davenport (last time I read Doonesbury, she was still alive. Yeah, it’s been awhile)

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**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 6:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22605 "2014-01-31T18:52:25Z")

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Doonesbury characters

1. Zonker
2. Joan Caucus
3. Rufus (Thor) Jackson
4. Mike
5. Alice P. Schwarzman
6. Duke
7. Mark Slackmeyer
8. Saliva “Sal” Putrid (aka Ben Doonesburry), Mike punk rock brother (a character that showed how completely out to lunch Trudeau was about Seventies rock culture)
9. Lacey Davenport (last time I read Doonesbury, she was still alive. Yeah, it’s been awhile)
10. Roland Headley

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 6:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22606 "2014-01-31T18:56:57Z")

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Doonesbury characters

1. Zonker
2. Joan Caucus
3. Rufus (Thor) Jackson
4. Mike
5. Alice P. Schwarzman
6. Duke
7. Mark Slackmeyer
8. Saliva “Sal” Putrid (aka Ben Doonesburry), Mike punk rock brother (a character that showed how completely out to lunch Trudeau was about Seventies rock culture)
9. Lacey Davenport (last time I read Doonesbury, she was still alive. Yeah, it’s been awhile)
10. Roland Headley  
11, Kim Doonesbury (Mike’s wife)

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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 8:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22607 "2014-01-31T20:15:10Z")

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Doonesbury characters

1. Zonker
2. Joan Caucus
3. Rufus (Thor) Jackson
4. Mike
5. Alice P. Schwarzman
6. Duke
7. Mark Slackmeyer
8. Saliva “Sal” Putrid (aka Ben Doonesburry), Mike punk rock brother (a character that showed how completely out to lunch Trudeau was about Seventies rock culture)
9. Lacey Davenport (last time I read Doonesbury, she was still alive. Yeah, it’s been awhile)
10. Roland Headley  
11, Kim Doonesbury (Mike’s wife)
11. B.D.

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 8:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22608 "2014-01-31T20:37:48Z")

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Doonesbury characters

1. Zonker

2. Joan Caucus

3. Rufus (Thor) Jackson

4. Mike

5. Alice P. Schwarzman

6. Duke

7. Mark Slackmeyer

8. Saliva “Sal” Putrid (aka Ben Doonesburry), Mike punk rock brother (a character that showed how completely out to lunch Trudeau was about Seventies rock culture)

9. Lacey Davenport (last time I read Doonesbury, she was still alive. Yeah, it’s been awhile)

10. Roland Headley  
11, Kim Doonesbury (Mike’s wife)

11. B.D.

12. Clyde (a character that showed just how lily-white Trudeau’s world was, and how little he knew about black men)  
New Topic: Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

13. Both _ **Toy Story 2** _ and _ **Toy Story 3** _ (I could take the original or leave it)

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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 8:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22609 "2014-01-31T20:40:22Z")

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1. Both Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked).

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**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 8:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22610 "2014-01-31T20:41:14Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both _ **Toy Story 2** _ and _ **Toy Story 3** _ (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. _ **Godfather Part II** _

(Whassup, **astorian**? I liked the original!) 😃

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**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22611 "2014-01-31T21:14:38Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both _ **Toy Story 2** _ and _ **Toy Story 3** _ (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. _ **Godfather Part II** _
4. \*\*The Two Towers \*\*(although I liked **The Fellowship of the Ring** , I didn’t like it as much as its first sequel.)

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22612 "2014-01-31T21:15:24Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. Godfather Part II
4. The Two Towers (although I liked The Fellowship of the Ring, I didn’t like it as much as its first sequel.)
5. \*\*\*Predator 2 \*\*\*(partly because Danny Glover is a much better actor than Arnold; this wasn’t a hit, but SHOULD have been)

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 10:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22613 "2014-01-31T22:53:42Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. Godfather Part II
4. The Two Towers (although I liked The Fellowship of the Ring, I didn’t like it as much as its first sequel.)
5. Predator 2 (partly because Danny Glover is a much better actor than Arnold; this wasn’t a hit, but SHOULD have been)
6. Desperado (sequel to El Mariachi, but this time Rodriguez had an actual budget)

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 11:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22614 "2014-01-31T23:01:19Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. Godfather Part II
4. The Two Towers (although I liked The Fellowship of the Ring, I didn’t like it as much as its first sequel.)
5. Predator 2 (partly because Danny Glover is a much better actor than Arnold; this wasn’t a hit, but SHOULD have been)
6. Desperado (sequel to El Mariachi, but this time Rodriguez had an actual budget)
7. The Road Warrior (sequel to Mad Max)

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**Author:** ![Bellhorn](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/b/898d66/32.png) [@Bellhorn](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bellhorn)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 11:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22615 "2014-01-31T23:46:56Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. Godfather Part II
4. The Two Towers (although I liked The Fellowship of the Ring, I didn’t like it as much as its first sequel.)
5. Predator 2 (partly because Danny Glover is a much better actor than Arnold; this wasn’t a hit, but SHOULD have been)
6. Desperado (sequel to El Mariachi, but this time Rodriguez had an actual budget)
7. The Road Warrior (sequel to Mad Max)
8. Addams Family Values (Joan Cusack is a hoot as a gold digger after Fester.)

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [January 31, 2014, 11:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22616 "2014-01-31T23:49:50Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. Godfather Part II
4. The Two Towers (although I liked The Fellowship of the Ring, I didn’t like it as much as its first sequel.)
5. Predator 2 (partly because Danny Glover is a much better actor than Arnold; this wasn’t a hit, but SHOULD have been)
6. Desperado (sequel to El Mariachi, but this time Rodriguez had an actual budget)
7. The Road Warrior (sequel to Mad Max)
8. Addams Family Values (Joan Cusack is a hoot as a gold digger after Fester.)
9. Aliens (I like Alien but I feel Aliens was better. Then the series went downhill.)

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2014, 12:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22617 "2014-02-01T00:06:05Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. Godfather Part II
4. The Two Towers (although I liked The Fellowship of the Ring, I didn’t like it as much as its first sequel.)
5. Predator 2 (partly because Danny Glover is a much better actor than Arnold; this wasn’t a hit, but SHOULD have been)
6. Desperado (sequel to El Mariachi, but this time Rodriguez had an actual budget)
7. The Road Warrior (sequel to Mad Max)
8. Addams Family Values (Joan Cusack is a hoot as a gold digger after Fester.)
9. Aliens (I like Alien but I feel Aliens was better. Then the series went downhill.)
10. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (worlds better)

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**Post date:** [February 1, 2014, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22618 "2014-02-01T03:04:30Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. Godfather Part II
4. The Two Towers (although I liked The Fellowship of the Ring, I didn’t like it as much as its first sequel.)
5. Predator 2 (partly because Danny Glover is a much better actor than Arnold; this wasn’t a hit, but SHOULD have been)
6. Desperado (sequel to El Mariachi, but this time Rodriguez had an actual budget)
7. The Road Warrior (sequel to Mad Max)
8. Addams Family Values (Joan Cusack is a hoot as a gold digger after Fester.)
9. Aliens (I like Alien but I feel Aliens was better. Then the series went downhill.)
10. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (worlds better)
11. The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug

Not a sequel, as such, but the second in the series. Better by quite a bit than the first in the trilogy.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2014, 5:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22619 "2014-02-01T05:32:55Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. Godfather Part II
4. The Two Towers (although I liked The Fellowship of the Ring, I didn’t like it as much as its first sequel.)
5. Predator 2 (partly because Danny Glover is a much better actor than Arnold; this wasn’t a hit, but SHOULD have been)
6. Desperado (sequel to El Mariachi, but this time Rodriguez had an actual budget)
7. The Road Warrior (sequel to Mad Max)
8. Addams Family Values (Joan Cusack is a hoot as a gold digger after Fester.)
9. Aliens (I like Alien but I feel Aliens was better. Then the series went downhill.)
10. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (worlds better)
11. The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
12. The Empire Strikes Back

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**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2014, 3:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22620 "2014-02-01T15:19:09Z")

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Movie Sequels You Liked a Lot Better Than The Original

1. Both Toy Story 2 and Toy Story 3 (I could take the original or leave it)
2. Manhunter/Red Dragon and Silence of the Lambs (the last two sequels sucked)
3. Godfather Part II
4. The Two Towers (although I liked The Fellowship of the Ring, I didn’t like it as much as its first sequel.)
5. Predator 2 (partly because Danny Glover is a much better actor than Arnold; this wasn’t a hit, but SHOULD have been)
6. Desperado (sequel to El Mariachi, but this time Rodriguez had an actual budget)
7. The Road Warrior (sequel to Mad Max)
8. Addams Family Values (Joan Cusack is a hoot as a gold digger after Fester.)
9. Aliens (I like Alien but I feel Aliens was better. Then the series went downhill.)
10. Star Trek II: The Wrath of Khan (worlds better)
11. The Hobbit: The Desolation of Smaug
12. The Empire Strikes Back
13. Sherlock Holmes: A Game of Shadows

(maybe not a _lot_ better (loved them both) but better)

Next up: Comic book villains who spent at least some time being a hero (include brief explanation of when)

1. Magneto (he was the head of the New Mutants for a while)

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2014, 3:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22621 "2014-02-01T15:56:06Z")

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Next up: Comic book villains who spent at least some time being a hero (include brief explanation of when)

1. Magneto (he was the head of the New Mutants for a while)
2. Sinestro (he was the most praised Green Lantern before Hal Jordan showed up)

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**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2014, 3:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22622 "2014-02-01T15:58:11Z")

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Next up: Comic book villains who spent at least some time being a hero (include brief explanation of when)

1. Magneto (he was the head of the New Mutants for a while)
2. Sinestro (he was the most praised Green Lantern before Hal Jordan showed up)
3. The Fifties era Captain America (he and Bucky started as good guys, but gradually turned into ultrapatriotic nuts)

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**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\
**Post date:** [February 1, 2014, 5:03pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/22623 "2014-02-01T17:03:37Z")

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Next up: Comic book villains who spent at least some time being a hero (include brief explanation of when)

1. Magneto (he was the head of the New Mutants for a while)
2. Sinestro (he was the most praised Green Lantern before Hal Jordan showed up)
3. The Fifties era Captain America (he and Bucky started as good guys, but gradually turned into ultrapatriotic nuts)
4. The Enchantress (DC, not Marvel) Originally was a friend of Supergirl’s, but tried a dangerous spell that Supergirl had to stop, and it drove the Enchantress to evil.

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