# Bakers Dozen

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 116

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [November 17, 2010, 10:33pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2301 "2010-11-17T22:33:33Z")

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People who were next-in-line to the throne, but never sat on it

1. Czarevitch Alexei of Russia
2. Prince Reza Pahlavi of Iran
3. Louis XVII, France
4. Hawaiian Crown Princess Victoria Kaiulani
5. Zera Yacob Amha Selassie, Crown Prince of Ethiopia
6. Franz, Duke of Reichstadt (aka Napoleon II)
7. Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York
8. Isabel, Princess Imperial of Brazil
9. Tsarevich Ivan Ivanovich of Russia

Killed by his father, Tsar Ivan the Terrible, during an argument.

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 3:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2302 "2010-11-18T03:04:14Z")

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People who were next-in-line to the throne, but never sat on it

1. Czarevitch Alexei of Russia
2. Prince Reza Pahlavi of Iran
3. Louis XVII, France
4. Hawaiian Crown Princess Victoria Kaiulani
5. Zera Yacob Amha Selassie, Crown Prince of Ethiopia
6. Franz, Duke of Reichstadt (aka Napoleon II)
7. Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York
8. Isabel, Princess Imperial of Brazil
9. Tsarevich Ivan Ivanovich of Russia
10. Frederick William Victor Augustus Ernest, Crown Prince of Germany

The last Kaiser’s eldest son, who died in 1951.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2303 "2010-11-18T03:49:12Z")

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People who were next-in-line to the throne, but never sat on it

1. Czarevitch Alexei of Russia
2. Prince Reza Pahlavi of Iran
3. Louis XVII, France
4. Hawaiian Crown Princess Victoria Kaiulani
5. Zera Yacob Amha Selassie, Crown Prince of Ethiopia
6. Franz, Duke of Reichstadt (aka Napoleon II)
7. Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York
8. Isabel, Princess Imperial of Brazil
9. Tsarevich Ivan Ivanovich of Russia
10. Frederick William Victor Augustus Ernest, Crown Prince of Germany
11. Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary

He died in 1914. It was a big deal.

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 4:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2304 "2010-11-18T04:22:03Z")

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People who were next-in-line to the throne, but never sat on it

1. Czarevitch Alexei of Russia
2. Prince Reza Pahlavi of Iran
3. Louis XVII, France
4. Hawaiian Crown Princess Victoria Kaiulani
5. Zera Yacob Amha Selassie, Crown Prince of Ethiopia
6. Franz, Duke of Reichstadt (aka Napoleon II)
7. Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York
8. Isabel, Princess Imperial of Brazil
9. Tsarevich Ivan Ivanovich of Russia
10. Frederick William Victor Augustus Ernest, Crown Prince of Germany
11. Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary
12. Prince Hassan bin Talal of Jordan

(He was his brother, King Hussein’s heir before his brother named Abdullah, shortly before he died).

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**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 5:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2305 "2010-11-18T05:03:30Z")

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People who were next-in-line to the throne, but never sat on it

1. Czarevitch Alexei of Russia
2. Prince Reza Pahlavi of Iran
3. Louis XVII, France
4. Hawaiian Crown Princess Victoria Kaiulani
5. Zera Yacob Amha Selassie, Crown Prince of Ethiopia
6. Franz, Duke of Reichstadt (aka Napoleon II)
7. Richard of Shrewsbury, 1st Duke of York
8. Isabel, Princess Imperial of Brazil
9. Tsarevich Ivan Ivanovich of Russia
10. Frederick William Victor Augustus Ernest, Crown Prince of Germany
11. Archduke Franz Ferdinand of Austria-Hungary
12. Prince Hassan bin Talal of Jordan
13. [Otto von Habsburg, Crown Prince of Austria](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Otto,_Crown_Prince_of_Austria)

New list:  
Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, _North by Northwest_

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 5:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2306 "2010-11-18T05:23:34Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”

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**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 5:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2307 "2010-11-18T05:56:03Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead “Lifeboat”

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 6:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2308 "2010-11-18T06:07:05Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead “Lifeboat”
4. Grace Kelly “Rear Window”

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**Author:** ![Fried\_Dough\_Ho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e57/32.png) [@Fried\_Dough\_Ho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fried_Dough_Ho)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 6:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2309 "2010-11-18T06:13:37Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead “Lifeboat”
4. Grace Kelly “Rear Window”
5. Ingrid Bergman “Notorious”

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 1:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2310 "2010-11-18T13:17:21Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead, “Lifeboat”
4. Grace Kelly, “Rear Window”
5. Ingrid Bergman, “Notorious”
6. Janet Leigh, “Psycho”

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**Author:** ![Fried\_Dough\_Ho](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/f/a88e57/32.png) [@Fried\_Dough\_Ho](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Fried_Dough_Ho)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 1:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2311 "2010-11-18T13:40:51Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead, “Lifeboat”
4. Grace Kelly, “Rear Window”
5. Ingrid Bergman, “Notorious”
6. Janet Leigh, “Psycho”
7. Doris Day, “The Man Who Knew Too Much”

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 2:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2312 "2010-11-18T14:28:28Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead, “Lifeboat”
4. Grace Kelly, “Rear Window”
5. Ingrid Bergman, “Notorious”
6. Janet Leigh, “Psycho”
7. Doris Day, “The Man Who Knew Too Much”
8. Madeleine Carroll, “The 39 Steps”

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 6:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2313 "2010-11-18T18:28:11Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead, “Lifeboat”
4. Grace Kelly, “Rear Window”
5. Ingrid Bergman, “Notorious”
6. Janet Leigh, “Psycho”
7. Doris Day, “The Man Who Knew Too Much”
8. Madeleine Carroll, “The 39 Steps”
9. Alida Valli, “The Paradine Case”

One of Hitchcock’s rare brunette leading ladies

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**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 7:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2314 "2010-11-18T19:20:22Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead, “Lifeboat”
4. Grace Kelly, “Rear Window”
5. Ingrid Bergman, “Notorious”
6. Janet Leigh, “Psycho”
7. Doris Day, “The Man Who Knew Too Much”
8. Madeleine Carroll, “The 39 Steps”
9. Alida Valli, “The Paradine Case”
10. Kim Novak, “Vertigo”

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**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2315 "2010-11-18T20:46:20Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead, “Lifeboat”
4. Grace Kelly, “Rear Window”
5. Ingrid Bergman, “Notorious”
6. Janet Leigh, “Psycho”
7. Doris Day, “The Man Who Knew Too Much”
8. Madeleine Carroll, “The 39 Steps”
9. Alida Valli, “The Paradine Case”
10. Kim Novak, “Vertigo”
11. Barbara Harris, “Family Plot”

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 8:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2316 "2010-11-18T20:46:31Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead, “Lifeboat”
4. Grace Kelly, “Rear Window”
5. Ingrid Bergman, “Notorious”
6. Janet Leigh, “Psycho”
7. Doris Day, “The Man Who Knew Too Much”
8. Madeleine Carroll, “The 39 Steps”
9. Alida Valli, “The Paradine Case”
10. Kim Novak, “Vertigo”
11. Barbara Harris, “Family Plot”
12. Shirley MacLaine, “The Trouble with Harry”

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**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2317 "2010-11-18T22:10:51Z")

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Alfred Hitchcock leading ladies

1. Eva Marie Saint, “North by Northwest”
2. Tippi Hedren, “The Birds”
3. Tallulah Bankhead, “Lifeboat”
4. Grace Kelly, “Rear Window”
5. Ingrid Bergman, “Notorious”
6. Janet Leigh, “Psycho”
7. Doris Day, “The Man Who Knew Too Much”
8. Madeleine Carroll, “The 39 Steps”
9. Alida Valli, “The Paradine Case”
10. Kim Novak, “Vertigo”
11. Barbara Harris, “Family Plot”
12. Shirley MacLaine, “The Trouble with Harry”
13. Margaret Lockwood, “The Lady Vanishes”

Next: Iconic props or images that instantly identify people (real or fictional)

1. Deerstalker hat and pipe, Sherlock Holmes

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2318 "2010-11-18T22:17:56Z")

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Iconic props or images that instantly identify people (real or fictional)

1. Deerstalker hat and pipe, Sherlock Holmes
2. Prop arrow through his head, Steve Martin

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**Author:** ![Tom\_Scud](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/f08c70/32.png) [@Tom\_Scud](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Tom_Scud)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:19pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2319 "2010-11-18T22:19:39Z")

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Iconic props or images that instantly identify people (real or fictional)

1. Deerstalker hat and pipe, Sherlock Holmes
2. Prop arrow through his head, Steve Martin
3. Watermelon. Sledgehammer. Gallagher.

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**Author:** ![Ponch8](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ponch8/32/9883_2.png) [@Ponch8](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Ponch8)\
**Post date:** [November 18, 2010, 10:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/2320 "2010-11-18T22:31:46Z")

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Iconic props or images that instantly identify people (real or fictional)

1. Deerstalker hat and pipe, Sherlock Holmes
2. Prop arrow through his head, Steve Martin
3. Watermelon. Sledgehammer. Gallagher.
4. Single white sequined glove, Michael Jackson

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