# Bakers Dozen **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2088
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 10:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41745 "2016-03-02T22:05:23Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [March 2, 2016, 11:14pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41746 "2016-03-02T23:14:13Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. ---
**Author:** ![SCAdian](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/scadian/32/3292_2.png) [@SCAdian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SCAdian)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 1:58am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41747 "2016-03-03T01:58:45Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 2:01am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41748 "2016-03-03T02:01:15Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) 6. The Southern Victory series by Harry L. Turtledove. Eleven books that start when the Confederacy win the Civil War, and continues up through WWII era. ---
**Author:** ![Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/439d5e/32.png) [@Some\_Call\_Me.Tim](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Some_Call_Me.Tim)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 3:23am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41749 "2016-03-03T03:23:26Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) 6. The Southern Victory series by Harry L. Turtledove. Eleven books that start when the Confederacy win the Civil War, and continues up through WWII era. 7. 1632 by Eric Flint - Small West Virginia mining town in 2000 is transported whole (and without explanation) to 1631 in what would have later been central Germany. ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 3:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41750 "2016-03-03T03:32:22Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) 6. The Southern Victory series by Harry L. Turtledove. Eleven books that start when the Confederacy win the Civil War, and continues up through WWII era. 7. _ **Ada** _ by Vladimir Nabokov. An alternate North America discovered by African explorers, settled in part by Czarist Russia and ruled by an aristocracy ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 4:59am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41751 "2016-03-03T04:59:29Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) 6. The Southern Victory series by Harry L. Turtledove. Eleven books that start when the Confederacy win the Civil War, and continues up through WWII era. 7. Ada by Vladimir Nabokov. An alternate North America discovered by African explorers, settled in part by Czarist Russia and ruled by an aristocracy 8. Bring the Jubilee by Ward Moore (the American Civil War as we know it IS the alternative history) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 5:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41752 "2016-03-03T05:54:15Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) 6. The Southern Victory series by Harry L. Turtledove. Eleven books that start when the Confederacy win the Civil War, and continues up through WWII era. 7. Ada by Vladimir Nabokov. An alternate North America discovered by African explorers, settled in part by Czarist Russia and ruled by an aristocracy 8. Bring the Jubilee by Ward Moore (the American Civil War as we know it IS the alternative history) 9. Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois (The Cuban Missile Crisis ended in a limited nuclear war and the United States is a poverty-stricken nation under martial law.) ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 6:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41753 "2016-03-03T06:48:43Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) 6. The Southern Victory series by Harry L. Turtledove. Eleven books that start when the Confederacy win the Civil War, and continues up through WWII era. 7. Ada by Vladimir Nabokov. An alternate North America discovered by African explorers, settled in part by Czarist Russia and ruled by an aristocracy 8. Bring the Jubilee by Ward Moore (the American Civil War as we know it IS the alternative history) 9. Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois (The Cuban Missile Crisis ended in a limited nuclear war and the United States is a poverty-stricken nation under martial law.) 10. The Plot Against America by Philip Roth. FDR loses the 1940 election to Charles Lindbergh and America becomes antisemitic and fascist. ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41754 "2016-03-03T15:49:42Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) 6. The Southern Victory series by Harry L. Turtledove. Eleven books that start when the Confederacy win the Civil War, and continues up through WWII era. 7. Ada by Vladimir Nabokov. An alternate North America discovered by African explorers, settled in part by Czarist Russia and ruled by an aristocracy 8. Bring the Jubilee by Ward Moore (the American Civil War as we know it IS the alternative history) 9. Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois (The Cuban Missile Crisis ended in a limited nuclear war and the United States is a poverty-stricken nation under martial law.) 10. The Plot Against America by Philip Roth. FDR loses the 1940 election to Charles Lindbergh and America becomes antisemitic and fascist. 11. Back to the Future. Marty McFly travels into the past and messes up the meeting of his parents. he has to fix that and then get… back to the future. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 3:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41755 "2016-03-03T15:57:11Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) 6. The Southern Victory series by Harry L. Turtledove. Eleven books that start when the Confederacy win the Civil War, and continues up through WWII era. 7. Ada by Vladimir Nabokov. An alternate North America discovered by African explorers, settled in part by Czarist Russia and ruled by an aristocracy 8. Bring the Jubilee by Ward Moore (the American Civil War as we know it IS the alternative history) 9. Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois (The Cuban Missile Crisis ended in a limited nuclear war and the United States is a poverty-stricken nation under martial law.) 10. The Plot Against America by Philip Roth. FDR loses the 1940 election to Charles Lindbergh and America becomes antisemitic and fascist. 11. Back to the Future. Marty McFly travels into the past and messes up the meeting of his parents. he has to fix that and then get… back to the future. 12. Elleander Morning by Jerry Yulsman (a time traveler kills Hitler while he’s still a starving young artist in Vienna and thus averts WWII) The mechanism of time travel is left pretty vague, but it’s a very interesting, well-written novel. ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 7:46pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41756 "2016-03-03T19:46:00Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) 6. The Southern Victory series by Harry L. Turtledove. Eleven books that start when the Confederacy win the Civil War, and continues up through WWII era. 7. Ada by Vladimir Nabokov. An alternate North America discovered by African explorers, settled in part by Czarist Russia and ruled by an aristocracy 8. Bring the Jubilee by Ward Moore (the American Civil War as we know it IS the alternative history) 9. Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois (The Cuban Missile Crisis ended in a limited nuclear war and the United States is a poverty-stricken nation under martial law.) 10. The Plot Against America by Philip Roth. FDR loses the 1940 election to Charles Lindbergh and America becomes antisemitic and fascist. 11. Back to the Future. Marty McFly travels into the past and messes up the meeting of his parents. he has to fix that and then get… back to the future. 12. Elleander Morning by Jerry Yulsman (a time traveler kills Hitler while he’s still a starving young artist in Vienna and thus averts WWII) 13. The Iron Dream by Norman Spinrad (Hitler immigrates to the US after World War 1 and becomes a science fiction author.) New Topic: Romantic Advice 1: If you meet a girl, and you want to take her out, and she says she wants to go clubbing, make sure she doesn’t mean baby seals. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 8:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41757 "2016-03-03T20:26:18Z")
Romantic Advice 1: If you meet a girl, and you want to take her out, and she says she wants to go clubbing, make sure she doesn’t mean baby seals. 2. Remember that a lot of things that are romantic when a good-looking actor does them in a movie will get you in serious trouble in real life. ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 8:47pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41758 "2016-03-03T20:47:49Z")
Romantic Advice 1: If you meet a girl, and you want to take her out, and she says she wants to go clubbing, make sure she doesn’t mean baby seals. 2. Remember that a lot of things that are romantic when a good-looking actor does them in a movie will get you in serious trouble in real life. 3. It’s a lousy idea to ask her to marry you on the first date. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 9:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41759 "2016-03-03T21:18:48Z")
Romantic Advice 1: If you meet a girl, and you want to take her out, and she says she wants to go clubbing, make sure she doesn’t mean baby seals. 2. Remember that a lot of things that are romantic when a good-looking actor does them in a movie will get you in serious trouble in real life. 3. It’s a lousy idea to ask her to marry you on the first date. 4. Open doors for her and let her go first unless she asks you to stop ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 9:28pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41760 "2016-03-03T21:28:05Z")
Alternative histories and their premises 1. Fatherland by Robert Harris (Cold War is between U.S. and Nazi Germany by 1964) 2. Man in the High Castle by Philip K. Dick (America is partitioned by Nazi Germany and the Japanese Empire and resistance is forming based on an alternate history in which America won) 3. Stephen King’s 11/22/1963. What happens if someone goes back in time and tries to stop the Kennedy assassination? 4. The Wheels of If by L. Sprague de Camp. North America is colonized by the Vikings. 5. The Peshawar Lancers, by S M Stirling. (The Earth is hit in 1878 by a series of comet fragments like those that hit Jupiter in 1994.) 6. The Southern Victory series by Harry L. Turtledove. Eleven books that start when the Confederacy win the Civil War, and continues up through WWII era. 7. Ada by Vladimir Nabokov. An alternate North America discovered by African explorers, settled in part by Czarist Russia and ruled by an aristocracy 8. Bring the Jubilee by Ward Moore (the American Civil War as we know it IS the alternative history) 9. Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois (The Cuban Missile Crisis ended in a limited nuclear war and the United States is a poverty-stricken nation under martial law.) 10. The Plot Against America by Philip Roth. FDR loses the 1940 election to Charles Lindbergh and America becomes antisemitic and fascist. 11. Back to the Future. Marty McFly travels into the past and messes up the meeting of his parents. he has to fix that and then get… back to the future. 12. Elleander Morning by Jerry Yulsman (a time traveler kills Hitler while he’s still a starving young artist in Vienna and thus averts WWII) 13. The Iron Dream by Norman Spinrad (Hitler immigrates to the US after World War 1 and becomes a science fiction author.) New Topic: Romantic Advice 1: If you meet a girl, and you want to take her out, and she says she wants to go clubbing, make sure she doesn’t mean baby seals. 2. Same applies to meeting a guy. ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 10:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41761 "2016-03-03T22:17:34Z")
Romantic Advice (fixed to add #2 from Dendarii Dame) 1: If you meet a girl, and you want to take her out, and she says she wants to go clubbing, make sure she doesn’t mean baby seals. 2. Same applies to meeting a guy. 3. Remember that a lot of things that are romantic when a good-looking actor does them in a movie will get you in serious trouble in real life. 4. It’s a lousy idea to ask her to marry you on the first date. 5. Open doors for her and let her go first unless she asks you to stop 6. It’s a lousy idea to ask her to marry you over the phone. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [March 3, 2016, 11:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41762 "2016-03-03T23:50:18Z")
Romantic Advice (fixed to add #2 from Dendarii Dame) 1: If you meet a girl, and you want to take her out, and she says she wants to go clubbing, make sure she doesn’t mean baby seals. 2. Same applies to meeting a guy. 3. Remember that a lot of things that are romantic when a good-looking actor does them in a movie will get you in serious trouble in real life. 4. It’s a lousy idea to ask her to marry you on the first date. 5. Open doors for her and let her go first unless she asks you to stop 6. It’s a lousy idea to ask her to marry you over the phone. 7. No matter what your father told you, the three words a woman most wants to hear from a man are not “pull my finger”. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 2:32am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41763 "2016-03-04T02:32:22Z")
Romantic Advice 1: If you meet a girl, and you want to take her out, and she says she wants to go clubbing, make sure she doesn’t mean baby seals. 2. Same applies to meeting a guy. 3. Remember that a lot of things that are romantic when a good-looking actor does them in a movie will get you in serious trouble in real life. 4. It’s a lousy idea to ask her to marry you on the first date. 5. Open doors for her and let her go first unless she asks you to stop 6. It’s a lousy idea to ask her to marry you over the phone. 7. No matter what your father told you, the three words a woman most wants to hear from a man are not “pull my finger.” 8. Nothing says “I love you” like a canned ham. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [March 4, 2016, 5:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/41764 "2016-03-04T05:05:27Z")
Romantic Advice 1: If you meet a girl, and you want to take her out, and she says she wants to go clubbing, make sure she doesn’t mean baby seals. 2. Same applies to meeting a guy. 3. Remember that a lot of things that are romantic when a good-looking actor does them in a movie will get you in serious trouble in real life. 4. It’s a lousy idea to ask her to marry you on the first date. 5. Open doors for her and let her go first unless she asks you to stop 6. It’s a lousy idea to ask her to marry you over the phone. 7. No matter what your father told you, the three words a woman most wants to hear from a man are not “pull my finger.” 8. Nothing says “I love you” like a canned ham. 9. Asking your date if he or she has any hot friends who are single is always a bad idea. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=2087) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=2089)