# Bakers Dozen **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 2603
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52046 "2017-05-12T14:57:17Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, _STAR TREK_ (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 3:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52047 "2017-05-12T15:24:56Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, STAR TREK (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. 5. Fatherland by Robert Harris - The Nazis realize the British have broken the Enigma code, start using a new code, win the Battle of the Atlantic, force a British surrender and dominate Europe through at least 1964 A very good, very chilling alt-history. ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 3:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52048 "2017-05-12T15:38:16Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, _STAR TREK_ (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. 5. Fatherland by Robert Harris - The Nazis realize the British have broken the Enigma code, start using a new code, win the Battle of the Atlantic, force a British surrender and dominate Europe through at least 1964 6. The Eyre Affair, Jasper Fforde (instead of ending in 1856, the Crimean War is still being fought between England and Tsarist Russia 130 years later) ---
**Author:** ![jtur88](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/j/e9c0ed/32.png) [@jtur88](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/jtur88)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 3:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52049 "2017-05-12T15:48:38Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, STAR TREK (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. 5. Fatherland by Robert Harris - The Nazis realize the British have broken the Enigma code, start using a new code, win the Battle of the Atlantic, force a British surrender and dominate Europe through at least 1964 6. The Eyre Affair, Jasper Fforde (instead of ending in 1856, the Crimean War is still being fought between England and Tsarist Russia 130 years later) 7. Gould’s Book of Fish, by Richard Flanagan. An actual historical figure, transported to a penal colony in Tasmania, sails off into a wonderful and fanciful romp. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 3:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52050 "2017-05-12T15:50:51Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, _STAR TREK_ (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. 5. Fatherland by Robert Harris - The Nazis realize the British have broken the Enigma code, start using a new code, win the Battle of the Atlantic, force a British surrender and dominate Europe through at least 1964 6. The Eyre Affair, Jasper Fforde (instead of ending in 1856, the Crimean War is still being fought between England and Tsarist Russia 130 years later) 7. The Great Forgetting, James Renner (U.S. isolationism allows Nazi Germany to conquer much more of the world before being pushed back and defeated) ---
**Author:** ![Bullitt](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bullitt/32/5725_2.png) [@Bullitt](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bullitt)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52051 "2017-05-12T16:04:47Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, _STAR TREK_ (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. 5. Fatherland by Robert Harris - The Nazis realize the British have broken the Enigma code, start using a new code, win the Battle of the Atlantic, force a British surrender and dominate Europe through at least 1964 6. The Eyre Affair, Jasper Fforde (instead of ending in 1856, the Crimean War is still being fought between England and Tsarist Russia 130 years later) 7. Gould’s Book of Fish, by Richard Flanagan. An actual historical figure, transported to a penal colony in Tasmania, sails off into a wonderful and fanciful romp. 8. The Great Forgetting, James Renner (U.S. isolationism allows Nazi Germany to conquer much more of the world before being pushed back and defeated) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 4:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52052 "2017-05-12T16:22:18Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, STAR TREK (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. 5. Fatherland by Robert Harris - The Nazis realize the British have broken the Enigma code, start using a new code, win the Battle of the Atlantic, force a British surrender and dominate Europe through at least 1964 6. The Eyre Affair, Jasper Fforde (instead of ending in 1856, the Crimean War is still being fought between England and Tsarist Russia 130 years later) 7. Gould’s Book of Fish, by Richard Flanagan. An actual historical figure, transported to a penal colony in Tasmania, sails off into a wonderful and fanciful romp. 8. The Great Forgetting, James Renner (U.S. isolationism allows Nazi Germany to conquer much more of the world before being pushed back and defeated) 9. The Peshawar Lancers by S.M. Stirling - Earth is struck by a devastating meteor shower in 1878; the British Empire continues even in 2025 ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 4:55pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52053 "2017-05-12T16:55:08Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, STAR TREK (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. 5. Fatherland by Robert Harris - The Nazis realize the British have broken the Enigma code, start using a new code, win the Battle of the Atlantic, force a British surrender and dominate Europe through at least 1964 6. The Eyre Affair, Jasper Fforde (instead of ending in 1856, the Crimean War is still being fought between England and Tsarist Russia 130 years later) 7. Gould’s Book of Fish, by Richard Flanagan. An actual historical figure, transported to a penal colony in Tasmania, sails off into a wonderful and fanciful romp. 8. The Great Forgetting, James Renner (U.S. isolationism allows Nazi Germany to conquer much more of the world before being pushed back and defeated) 9. The Peshawar Lancers by S.M. Stirling - Earth is struck by a devastating meteor shower in 1878; the British Empire continues even in 2025 10. _Himmler’s War_ by Robert Conroy. The July 1944 bomb plot succeeds and Hitler is killed. Himmler takes over Germany and directs the final year of German war efforts. ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52054 "2017-05-12T17:01:19Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, STAR TREK (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. 5. Fatherland by Robert Harris - The Nazis realize the British have broken the Enigma code, start using a new code, win the Battle of the Atlantic, force a British surrender and dominate Europe through at least 1964 6. The Eyre Affair, Jasper Fforde (instead of ending in 1856, the Crimean War is still being fought between England and Tsarist Russia 130 years later) 7. Gould’s Book of Fish, by Richard Flanagan. An actual historical figure, transported to a penal colony in Tasmania, sails off into a wonderful and fanciful romp. 8. The Great Forgetting, James Renner (U.S. isolationism allows Nazi Germany to conquer much more of the world before being pushed back and defeated) 9. The Peshawar Lancers by S.M. Stirling - Earth is struck by a devastating meteor shower in 1878; the British Empire continues even in 2025 10. _Himmler’s War_ by Robert Conroy. The July 1944 bomb plot succeeds and Hitler is killed. Himmler takes over Germany and directs the final year of German war efforts. 11. The Plot Against America by Philip Roth - Franklin Delano Roosevelt is defeated in the presidential election of 1940 by Charles Lindbergh, and antisemitism rises ---
**Author:** ![astorian](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ad7895/32.png) [@astorian](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/astorian)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 5:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52055 "2017-05-12T17:04:42Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, STAR TREK (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. 5. Fatherland by Robert Harris - The Nazis realize the British have broken the Enigma code, start using a new code, win the Battle of the Atlantic, force a British surrender and dominate Europe through at least 1964 6. The Eyre Affair, Jasper Fforde (instead of ending in 1856, the Crimean War is still being fought between England and Tsarist Russia 130 years later) 7. Gould’s Book of Fish, by Richard Flanagan. An actual historical figure, transported to a penal colony in Tasmania, sails off into a wonderful and fanciful romp. 8. The Great Forgetting, James Renner (U.S. isolationism allows Nazi Germany to conquer much more of the world before being pushed back and defeated) 9. The Peshawar Lancers by S.M. Stirling - Earth is struck by a devastating meteor shower in 1878; the British Empire continues even in 2025 10. Himmler’s War by Robert Conroy. The July 1944 bomb plot succeeds and Hitler is killed. Himmler takes over Germany and directs the final year of German war efforts. 11. The Plot Against America by Philip Roth - Franklin Delano Roosevelt is defeated in the presidential election of 1940 by Charles Lindbergh, and antisemitism rises 12. SS-GB by Len Deighton (mystery set in an England that’s occupied by the Wehrmacht) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52056 "2017-05-12T20:45:31Z")
Alternate Histories, and the point at which history changes 1. Stars and Stripes Forever, by Harry Harrison (England accidentally attacks the South during the U.S. Civil War, then decides to conquer the U.S. Union and Confederate armies join forces to fight back.) 2. The Hot War trilogy by Harry Turtledove (The Korean War escalates into World War III after Harry Truman allows Douglas MacArthur to use atomic bombs like he’d wanted to, leading to a chain reaction of nuclear bomb attacks throughout Asia, Europe, and North America.) 3. The Man in the High castle by Phillip K. Dick (Franklin Roosevelt is assassinated leading to the continuation of the Great Depression leading to the Axis Powers winning WWII) 4. The City on the Edge of Forever, STAR TREK (TOS), by Harlan Ellison. Edith Keeler’s pacifist movement delays US entry into WWII, the Nazis develop nuclear weapons and win the war. But no, Jim: Edith Keeler must die. 5. Fatherland by Robert Harris - The Nazis realize the British have broken the Enigma code, start using a new code, win the Battle of the Atlantic, force a British surrender and dominate Europe through at least 1964 6. The Eyre Affair, Jasper Fforde (instead of ending in 1856, the Crimean War is still being fought between England and Tsarist Russia 130 years later) 7. Gould’s Book of Fish, by Richard Flanagan. An actual historical figure, transported to a penal colony in Tasmania, sails off into a wonderful and fanciful romp. 8. The Great Forgetting, James Renner (U.S. isolationism allows Nazi Germany to conquer much more of the world before being pushed back and defeated) 9. The Peshawar Lancers by S.M. Stirling - Earth is struck by a devastating meteor shower in 1878; the British Empire continues even in 2025 10. Himmler’s War by Robert Conroy. The July 1944 bomb plot succeeds and Hitler is killed. Himmler takes over Germany and directs the final year of German war efforts. 11. The Plot Against America by Philip Roth - Franklin Delano Roosevelt is defeated in the presidential election of 1940 by Charles Lindbergh, and antisemitism rises 12. SS-GB by Len Deighton (mystery set in an England that’s occupied by the Wehrmacht) 13. Bring the Jubilee by Ward Moore - Lee wins the Battle of Gettysburg and eventually the war; the Confederacy later conquers Mexico and the U.S. becomes an impoverished, insular country Next: More alternate histories, and the point at which history changes 1. The Last Ship by William Brinkley - World War III in late 1988 leaves a single U.S. Navy destroyer and a Soviet missile sub to try to establish a safe foothold for humanity somewhere ---
**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52057 "2017-05-12T20:53:50Z")
Next: More alternate histories, and the point at which history changes 1. The Last Ship by William Brinkley - World War III in late 1988 leaves a single U.S. Navy destroyer and a Soviet missile sub to try to establish a safe foothold for humanity somewhere 2. Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove - Time-traveling South African racists bring Lee & Davis late 20th Century technology weapons to win the Civil War and prevent slavery from being outlawed. Slavery is soon abolished anyway. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52058 "2017-05-12T20:57:56Z")
More alternate histories, and the point at which history changes 1. The Last Ship by William Brinkley - World War III in late 1988 leaves a single U.S. Navy destroyer and a Soviet missile sub to try to establish a safe foothold for humanity somewhere 2. Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove - Time-traveling South African racists bring Lee & Davis late 20th Century technology weapons to win the Civil War and prevent slavery from being outlawed. Slavery is soon abolished anyway. 3. Pavane by Keith Roberts - Queen Elizabeth I is assassinated, the Spanish conquer England, and the Papacy reigns over a technologically-backwards Europe today ---
**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52059 "2017-05-12T20:58:36Z")
More alternate histories, and the point at which history changes 1. The Last Ship by William Brinkley - World War III in late 1988 leaves a single U.S. Navy destroyer and a Soviet missile sub to try to establish a safe foothold for humanity somewhere 2. Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove - Time-traveling South African racists bring Lee & Davis late 20th Century technology weapons to win the Civil War and prevent slavery from being outlawed. Slavery is soon abolished anyway. 3. Pavane by Keith Roberts - Queen Elizabeth I is assassinated, the Spanish conquer England, and the Papacy reigns over a technologically-backwards Europe today 4. Iron Sky - Nazis escape to the moon in 1945. ---
**Author:** ![Andy\_L](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/c67d28/32.png) [@Andy\_L](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Andy_L)\ **Post date:** [May 12, 2017, 8:58pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52060 "2017-05-12T20:58:47Z")
1. The Last Ship by William Brinkley - World War III in late 1988 leaves a single U.S. Navy destroyer and a Soviet missile sub to try to establish a safe foothold for humanity somewhere 2. Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove - Time-traveling South African racists bring Lee & Davis late 20th Century technology weapons to win the Civil War and prevent slavery from being outlawed. Slavery is soon abolished anyway. 3. Darwinia by Robert Charles Wilson - in 1912, all humans and human artifacts in Europe disappear, replaced by a bizarre and deadly jungle (then things get weird). ---
**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 1:54am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52061 "2017-05-13T01:54:19Z")
1. The Last Ship by William Brinkley - World War III in late 1988 leaves a single U.S. Navy destroyer and a Soviet missile sub to try to establish a safe foothold for humanity somewhere 2. Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove - Time-traveling South African racists bring Lee & Davis late 20th Century technology weapons to win the Civil War and prevent slavery from being outlawed. Slavery is soon abolished anyway. 3. Pavane by Keith Roberts - Queen Elizabeth I is assassinated, the Spanish conquer England, and the Papacy reigns over a technologically-backwards Europe today 4. Iron Sky - Nazis escape to the moon in 1945. 5. Darwinia by Robert Charles Wilson - in 1912, all humans and human artifacts in Europe disappear, replaced by a bizarre and deadly jungle (then things get weird). 6. On the Beach by Nevil Shute - in 1963, after World War III, nuclear radiation is destroying all life on Earth; a group of people in Australia wait as it spreads south. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 2:28am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52062 "2017-05-13T02:28:18Z")
More alternate histories, and the point at which history changes 1. The Last Ship by William Brinkley - World War III in late 1988 leaves a single U.S. Navy destroyer and a Soviet missile sub to try to establish a safe foothold for humanity somewhere 2. Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove - Time-traveling South African racists bring Lee & Davis late 20th Century technology weapons to win the Civil War and prevent slavery from being outlawed. Slavery is soon abolished anyway. 3. Pavane by Keith Roberts - Queen Elizabeth I is assassinated, the Spanish conquer England, and the Papacy reigns over a technologically-backwards Europe today 4. Iron Sky - Nazis escape to the moon in 1945. 5. Darwinia by Robert Charles Wilson - in 1912, all humans and human artifacts in Europe disappear, replaced by a bizarre and deadly jungle (then things get weird). 6. On the Beach by Nevil Shute - in 1963, after World War III, nuclear radiation is destroying all life on Earth; a group of people in Australia wait as it spreads south. 7. _Resurrection Day_ by Brendan DuBois - The Cuban Missile Crisis goes badly and ends with a limited nuclear war. ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 4:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52063 "2017-05-13T04:29:52Z")
More alternate histories, and the point at which history changes 1. The Last Ship by William Brinkley - World War III in late 1988 leaves a single U.S. Navy destroyer and a Soviet missile sub to try to establish a safe foothold for humanity somewhere 2. Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove - Time-traveling South African racists bring Lee & Davis late 20th Century technology weapons to win the Civil War and prevent slavery from being outlawed. Slavery is soon abolished anyway. 3. Pavane by Keith Roberts - Queen Elizabeth I is assassinated, the Spanish conquer England, and the Papacy reigns over a technologically-backwards Europe today 4. Iron Sky - Nazis escape to the moon in 1945. 5. Darwinia by Robert Charles Wilson - in 1912, all humans and human artifacts in Europe disappear, replaced by a bizarre and deadly jungle (then things get weird). 6. On the Beach by Nevil Shute - in 1963, after World War III, nuclear radiation is destroying all life on Earth; a group of people in Australia wait as it spreads south. 7. Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois - The Cuban Missile Crisis goes badly and ends with a limited nuclear war. 8. Gettysburg: An Alternate History by Peter G. Tsouras - George G. Meade is injured and Winfield Scott Hancock takes command of the Army of the Potomac, aggressively counterattacking after Pickett’s Charge, winning the battle even more decisively, and capturing Robert E. Lee. The Civil War is over by late 1863, saving tens of thousands of lives that were lost in our timeline, and Hancock is elected President in 1868. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 2:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52064 "2017-05-13T14:08:47Z")
More alternate histories, and the point at which history changes 1. The Last Ship by William Brinkley - World War III in late 1988 leaves a single U.S. Navy destroyer and a Soviet missile sub to try to establish a safe foothold for humanity somewhere 2. Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove - Time-traveling South African racists bring Lee & Davis late 20th Century technology weapons to win the Civil War and prevent slavery from being outlawed. Slavery is soon abolished anyway. 3. Pavane by Keith Roberts - Queen Elizabeth I is assassinated, the Spanish conquer England, and the Papacy reigns over a technologically-backwards Europe today 4. Iron Sky - Nazis escape to the moon in 1945. 5. Darwinia by Robert Charles Wilson - in 1912, all humans and human artifacts in Europe disappear, replaced by a bizarre and deadly jungle (then things get weird). 6. On the Beach by Nevil Shute - in 1963, after World War III, nuclear radiation is destroying all life on Earth; a group of people in Australia wait as it spreads south. 7. Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois - The Cuban Missile Crisis goes badly and ends with a limited nuclear war. 8. Gettysburg: An Alternate History by Peter G. Tsouras - George G. Meade is injured and Winfield Scott Hancock takes command of the Army of the Potomac, aggressively counterattacking after Pickett’s Charge, winning the battle even more decisively, and capturing Robert E. Lee. The Civil War is over by late 1863, saving tens of thousands of lives that were lost in our timeline, and Hancock is elected President in 1868. 9. 11/22/1963 - Jack Epping prevents Kennedy’s assassination, and the world goes to Hell. He has to go back again and put history as it was and should be. ---
**Author:** ![Dendarii\_Dame](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/d/bbce88/32.png) [@Dendarii\_Dame](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Dendarii_Dame)\ **Post date:** [May 13, 2017, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/52065 "2017-05-13T15:08:19Z")
More alternate histories, and the point at which history changes 1. The Last Ship by William Brinkley - World War III in late 1988 leaves a single U.S. Navy destroyer and a Soviet missile sub to try to establish a safe foothold for humanity somewhere 2. Guns of the South by Harry Turtledove - Time-traveling South African racists bring Lee & Davis late 20th Century technology weapons to win the Civil War and prevent slavery from being outlawed. Slavery is soon abolished anyway. 3. Pavane by Keith Roberts - Queen Elizabeth I is assassinated, the Spanish conquer England, and the Papacy reigns over a technologically-backwards Europe today 4. Iron Sky - Nazis escape to the moon in 1945. 5. Darwinia by Robert Charles Wilson - in 1912, all humans and human artifacts in Europe disappear, replaced by a bizarre and deadly jungle (then things get weird). 6. On the Beach by Nevil Shute - in 1963, after World War III, nuclear radiation is destroying all life on Earth; a group of people in Australia wait as it spreads south. 7. Resurrection Day by Brendan DuBois - The Cuban Missile Crisis goes badly and ends with a limited nuclear war. 8. Gettysburg: An Alternate History by Peter G. Tsouras - George G. Meade is injured and Winfield Scott Hancock takes command of the Army of the Potomac, aggressively counterattacking after Pickett’s Charge, winning the battle even more decisively, and capturing Robert E. Lee. The Civil War is over by late 1863, saving tens of thousands of lives that were lost in our timeline, and Hancock is elected President in 1868. 9. 11/22/1963 - Jack Epping prevents Kennedy’s assassination, and the world goes to Hell. He has to go back again and put history as it was and should be. 10. River of Teeth by Sarah Gailey - In the early 20th century, the U.S. imports hippos and they become an invasive species in the South. [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=2602) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=2604)