# Bakers Dozen **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 301
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 10:37pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6001 "2011-06-14T22:37:06Z")
cities and their original names 1. St. Paul, Minnesota - Pig’s Eye 2. Regina, Saskatchewan - Pile of Bones 3. New York, New York - New Angouleme (or New Amsterdam if you believe TMBG) 4. Atlanta, GA (originally Terminus, and then Marthasville) 5. Truth or Consequences, N.M. – Hot Springs 6. Montgomery, AL- New Philadelphia/Alabama City (two towns that merged) ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 11:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6002 "2011-06-14T23:23:40Z")
cities and their original names 1. St. Paul, Minnesota - Pig’s Eye 2. Regina, Saskatchewan - Pile of Bones 3. New York, New York - New Angouleme (or New Amsterdam if you believe TMBG) 4. Atlanta, GA (originally Terminus, and then Marthasville) 5. Truth or Consequences, N.M. – Hot Springs 6. Montgomery, AL- New Philadelphia/Alabama City (two towns that merged) 7. Cincinnati, OH – Losantiville ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 11:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6003 "2011-06-14T23:26:21Z")
cities and their original names 1. St. Paul, Minnesota - Pig’s Eye 2. Regina, Saskatchewan - Pile of Bones 3. New York, New York - New Angouleme (or New Amsterdam if you believe TMBG) 4. Atlanta, GA (originally Terminus, and then Marthasville) 5. Truth or Consequences, N.M. – Hot Springs 6. Montgomery, AL- New Philadelphia/Alabama City (two towns that merged) 7. Cincinnati, OH – Losantiville 8. San Francisco, CA-- Yerba Buena ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 11:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6004 "2011-06-14T23:48:37Z")
cities and their original names 1. St. Paul, Minnesota - Pig’s Eye 2. Regina, Saskatchewan - Pile of Bones 3. New York, New York - New Angouleme (or New Amsterdam if you believe TMBG) 4. Atlanta, GA (originally Terminus, and then Marthasville) 5. Truth or Consequences, N.M. – Hot Springs 6. Montgomery, AL- New Philadelphia/Alabama City (two towns that merged) 7. Cincinnati, OH – Losantiville 8. San Francisco, CA-- Yerba Buena 9. Farmingdale NY - Hardscrabble ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 14, 2011, 11:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6005 "2011-06-14T23:59:44Z")
cities and their original names 1. St. Paul, Minnesota - Pig’s Eye 2. Regina, Saskatchewan - Pile of Bones 3. New York, New York - New Angouleme (or New Amsterdam if you believe TMBG) 4. Atlanta, GA (originally Terminus, and then Marthasville) 5. Truth or Consequences, N.M. – Hot Springs 6. Montgomery, AL- New Philadelphia/Alabama City (two towns that merged) 7. Cincinnati, OH – Losantiville 8. San Francisco, CA-- Yerba Buena 9. Farmingdale NY - Hardscrabble 10, Chicago, IL - Fort Dearborn ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 12:04am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6006 "2011-06-15T00:04:30Z")
cities and their original names 1. St. Paul, Minnesota - Pig’s Eye 2. Regina, Saskatchewan - Pile of Bones 3. New York, New York - New Angouleme (or New Amsterdam if you believe TMBG) 4. Atlanta, GA (originally Terminus, and then Marthasville) 5. Truth or Consequences, N.M. – Hot Springs 6. Montgomery, AL- New Philadelphia/Alabama City (two towns that merged) 7. Cincinnati, OH – Losantiville 8. San Francisco, CA-- Yerba Buena 9. Farmingdale NY - Hardscrabble 10. Chicago, IL - Fort Dearborn 11. Salt Lake City, UT- \*\*\*Great \*\*\*Salt Lake City I was impressed that Rooster referred to Great Salt Lake City in the _True Grit_ remake. ---
**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 2:45am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6007 "2011-06-15T02:45:11Z")
Cities and their original names 1. St. Paul, Minnesota - Pig’s Eye 2. Regina, Saskatchewan - Pile of Bones 3. New York, New York - New Angouleme (or New Amsterdam if you believe TMBG) 4. Atlanta, GA (originally Terminus, and then Marthasville) 5. Truth or Consequences, N.M. – Hot Springs 6. Montgomery, AL- New Philadelphia/Alabama City (two towns that merged) 7. Cincinnati, OH – Losantiville 8. San Francisco, CA-- Yerba Buena 9. Farmingdale, NY - Hardscrabble 10. Chicago, IL - Fort Dearborn 11. Salt Lake City, UT- Great Salt Lake City 12. Boston, MA – Trimountaine ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 2:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6008 "2011-06-15T02:48:43Z")
Cities and their original names 1. St. Paul, Minnesota - Pig’s Eye 2. Regina, Saskatchewan - Pile of Bones 3. New York, New York - New Angouleme (or New Amsterdam if you believe TMBG) 4. Atlanta, GA (originally Terminus, and then Marthasville) 5. Truth or Consequences, N.M. – Hot Springs 6. Montgomery, AL- New Philadelphia/Alabama City (two towns that merged) 7. Cincinnati, OH – Losantiville 8. San Francisco, CA-- Yerba Buena 9. Farmingdale, NY - Hardscrabble 10. Chicago, IL - Fort Dearborn 11. Salt Lake City, UT- Great Salt Lake City 12. Boston, MA – Trimountaine 13. Jim Thorpe, PA- Mauch Chunk Literary Scandals 14. James Frey, _A Million Little Pieces_ Literary scandal as used here does not mean a book about a scandal but a book or writer to which a scandal is attached (plagiarism, fraudulent research, false memoirs, etc.). For example, for anyone who doesn’t know _A Million Little Pieces_ was a memoir about Frey’s drug use and incarceration and rehabilitation but after it was a bestseller and an Oprah selection it was revealed it was more fiction than non-fiction (and had even originally been marketed to publishers as fiction). ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 4:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6009 "2011-06-15T04:03:10Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, _A Million Little Pieces_ 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 4:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6010 "2011-06-15T04:41:03Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 4:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6011 "2011-06-15T04:44:43Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record 4. Alex Haley, false research and plagiarism (_Roots_) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 5:43am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6012 "2011-06-15T05:43:55Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record 4. Alex Haley, false research and plagiarism (_Roots_) 5. Asa (Forrest) Carter, _The Education of Little Tree_ ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 7:29am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6013 "2011-06-15T07:29:55Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record 4. Alex Haley, false research and plagiarism (_Roots_) 5. Asa (Forrest) Carter, _The Education of Little Tree_ 6. JT Leroy, _The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things_ Short version: JT Leroy was a 20 something HIV+ mtf transgendered former child prostitute who wrote his (or her- not sure if JT identified as a woman or was just a transvestite- I’ll say _his_) memoirs. He had a cult following, occasionally attending book readings in campy drag and sunglasses, and _The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things_, a memoir of his life with his mother, a “lot lizard” (truckstop prostitute), became a [a movie](http://www.imdb.com/title/tt0368774/) starring the twins from The Suite Life, Michael Pitts, and Peter Fonda among others. One woman claimed he fathered her child through in vitro, which would have been a neat trick since JT was actually a 38 year old female writing instructor. (The JT at appearances was her much younger half sister.) [Long version](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/JT_LeRoy) ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 8:03am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6014 "2011-06-15T08:03:04Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record 4. Alex Haley, false research and plagiarism (_Roots_) 5. Asa (Forrest) Carter, _The Education of Little Tree_ 6. JT Leroy, _The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things_ 7. H.G. Wells, _The Outline of History_ ---
**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 2:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6015 "2011-06-15T14:20:02Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record 4. Alex Haley, false research and plagiarism (Roots) 5. Asa (Forrest) Carter, The Education of Little Tree 6. JT Leroy, The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things 7. H.G. Wells, The Outline of History 8. Clifford Irving (The Howard Hughes biography) ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 2:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6016 "2011-06-15T14:41:33Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record 4. Alex Haley, false research and plagiarism (Roots) 5. Asa (Forrest) Carter, The Education of Little Tree 6. JT Leroy, The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things 7. H.G. Wells, The Outline of History 8. Clifford Irving (The Howard Hughes biography) 9.)Herman Rosenblat" _Angel at the Fence: The True Story of Love That Survived"_ Would Jose Canseco’s "_Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits & How Baseball Got Big"_ count as a literary scandal or just a book that helped expose the steroid scandal? ---
**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 2:57pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6017 "2011-06-15T14:57:31Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record 4. Alex Haley, false research and plagiarism (Roots) 5. Asa (Forrest) Carter, The Education of Little Tree 6. JT Leroy, The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things 7. H.G. Wells, The Outline of History 8. Clifford Irving (The Howard Hughes biography) 9. Herman Rosenblat _“Angel at the Fence: The True Story of Love That Survived”_ 10. Salmon Rushdie, _Satanic Verses_ [QUOTE=Sparky812] Would Jose Canseco’s “Juiced: Wild Times, Rampant 'Roids, Smash Hits & How Baseball Got Big” count as a literary scandal or just a book that helped expose the steroid scandal? [/QUOTE] Exposé, yes. Scandal, not so much. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 3:30pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6018 "2011-06-15T15:30:04Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record 4. Alex Haley, false research and plagiarism (Roots) 5. Asa (Forrest) Carter, The Education of Little Tree 6. JT Leroy, The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things 7. H.G. Wells, The Outline of History 8. Clifford Irving (The Howard Hughes biography) 9. Herman Rosenblat _“Angel at the Fence: The True Story of Love That Survived”_ 10. Salmon Rushdie, _Satanic Verses_ 11. Margaret B. Jones (Seltzer), \*Love and Consequences \* Another fictional autobiography ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 4:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6019 "2011-06-15T16:04:02Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record 4. Alex Haley, false research and plagiarism (Roots) 5. Asa (Forrest) Carter, The Education of Little Tree 6. JT Leroy, The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things 7. H.G. Wells, The Outline of History 8. Clifford Irving (The Howard Hughes biography) 9. Herman Rosenblat “Angel at the Fence: The True Story of Love That Survived” 10. Salmon Rushdie, Satanic Verses 11. Margaret B. Jones (Seltzer), Love and Consequences 12. The Hitler Diaries The hoax: [Hitler Diaries - Wikipedia](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Hitler_Diaries) A great book about it: [http://www.amazon.com/Selling-Hitler-Robert-Harris/dp/0140099484/ref=sr\_1\_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1308153784&sr=1-1](http://www.amazon.com/Selling-Hitler-Robert-Harris/dp/0140099484/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1308153784&sr=1-1) ---
**Author:** ![Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/le_ministre_de_l_au-dela/32/12181_2.png) [@Le\_Ministre\_de\_l\_au-dela](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Le_Ministre_de_l_au-dela)\ **Post date:** [June 15, 2011, 6:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/6020 "2011-06-15T18:15:08Z")
Literary Scandals 1. James Frey, “A Million Little Pieces” 2. Stephen Ambrose, plagiarism 3. Joseph Ellis, exaggerated military record 4. Alex Haley, false research and plagiarism (Roots) 5. Asa (Forrest) Carter, The Education of Little Tree 6. JT Leroy, The Heart is Deceitful Above All Things 7. H.G. Wells, The Outline of History 8. Clifford Irving (The Howard Hughes biography) 9. Herman Rosenblat “Angel at the Fence: The True Story of Love That Survived” 10. Salmon Rushdie, Satanic Verses 11. Margaret B. Jones (Seltzer), Love and Consequences 12. The Hitler Diaries 13. [Ken Adachi](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ken_Adachi), the late literary critic for the Toronto Star, who committed suicide in 1989 when it was discovered that he had plagiarized three paragraphs from Time magazine. It was the second time he had been caught plagiarizing - the first time had been in 1981. Next category - Selenographical features, including mountains, craters, seas and catenas. 14. Archimedes crater [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=300) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=302)