# Bakers Dozen

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 3268

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**Author:** ![Knowed\_Out](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/knowed_out/32/7380_2.png) [@Knowed\_Out](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Knowed_Out)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65348 "2019-04-25T14:12:38Z")

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Entrepreneurs who have been prosecuted

1. Elizabeth Holmes
2. Leona Helmsley
3. Martha Stewart
4. Bernie Madoff
5. Kenneth Lay
6. Jeffrey Skilling
7. Piper Kerman (inspiration for _Orange is the New Black_)

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65349 "2019-04-25T14:18:09Z")

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Entrepreneurs who have been prosecuted

1. Elizabeth Holmes
2. Leona Helmsley
3. Martha Stewart
4. Bernie Madoff
5. Kenneth Lay
6. Jeffrey Skilling
7. Piper Kerman (inspiration for _Orange is the New Black_)
8. Jeffrey Epstein

Expect to hear a lot more about him in the upcoming election cycle.

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 2:26pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65350 "2019-04-25T14:26:04Z")

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Entrepreneurs who have been prosecuted

1. Elizabeth Holmes
2. Leona Helmsley
3. Martha Stewart
4. Bernie Madoff
5. Kenneth Lay
6. Jeffrey Skilling
7. Piper Kerman (inspiration for _Orange is the New Black_)
8. Jeffrey Epstein
9. Martin Shkreli

AKA “Pharma Bro”, and for a while, “the most hated man in America”

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [April 25, 2019, 4:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65351 "2019-04-25T16:09:06Z")

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Entrepreneurs who have been prosecuted

1. Elizabeth Holmes
2. Leona Helmsley
3. Martha Stewart
4. Bernie Madoff
5. Kenneth Lay
6. Jeffrey Skilling
7. Piper Kerman (inspiration for Orange is the New Black)
8. Jeffrey Epstein
9. Martin Shkreli
10. Donald Trump

In 2005, the German state attorney prosecuted Trump Deutschland and its partners for accounting fraud. (from Wiki)

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 1:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65352 "2019-04-26T01:24:25Z")

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Entrepreneurs who have been prosecuted

1. Elizabeth Holmes
2. Leona Helmsley
3. Martha Stewart
4. Bernie Madoff
5. Kenneth Lay
6. Jeffrey Skilling
7. Piper Kerman (inspiration for Orange is the New Black)
8. Jeffrey Epstein
9. Martin Shkreli
10. Donald Trump
11. Sergei Mavrodi

Ran one of the world’s largest Ponzi schemes of all time, in the 1990s

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 26, 2019, 5:13am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65353 "2019-04-26T05:13:49Z")

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There have been some pretty broad definitions of “Entrepreneurs” here.

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 6:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65354 "2019-04-27T18:48:54Z")

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bumping

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**Author:** ![Covfefe](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/c/ee7513/32.png) [@Covfefe](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Covfefe)\
**Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 8:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65355 "2019-04-27T20:17:09Z")

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Entrepreneurs who have been prosecuted

1. Elizabeth Holmes
2. Leona Helmsley
3. Martha Stewart
4. Bernie Madoff
5. Kenneth Lay
6. Jeffrey Skilling
7. Piper Kerman (inspiration for Orange is the New Black)
8. Jeffrey Epstein
9. Martin Shkreli
10. Donald Trump
11. Sergei Mavrodi
12. Peter Sartorio

founder of a food company, first person to plead guilty in the college scandal involving Lori Loughlin and others

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**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\
**Post date:** [April 27, 2019, 8:24pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65356 "2019-04-27T20:24:02Z")

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Entrepreneurs who have been prosecuted

1. Elizabeth Holmes
2. Leona Helmsley
3. Martha Stewart
4. Bernie Madoff
5. Kenneth Lay
6. Jeffrey Skilling
7. Piper Kerman (inspiration for Orange is the New Black)
8. Jeffrey Epstein
9. Martin Shkreli
10. Donald Trump
11. Sergei Mavrodi
12. Harold Ballard

One time owner of both the Toronto Maple Leafs (NHL) and the Hamilton Tiger Cats (CFL). He was convicted on 47 charges of fraud, theft, and tax evasion and sentenced to nine years in jail, of which he served three.

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 1:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65357 "2019-04-28T01:05:00Z")

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Entrepreneurs who have been prosecuted

1. Elizabeth Holmes
2. Leona Helmsley
3. Martha Stewart
4. Bernie Madoff
5. Kenneth Lay
6. Jeffrey Skilling
7. Piper Kerman (inspiration for Orange is the New Black)
8. Jeffrey Epstein
9. Martin Shkreli
10. Donald Trump
11. Sergei Mavrodi
12. Peter Sartorio
13. Harold Ballard

Housekeeping and paging **Leaffan**! **Leaffan** , your play!  
How long do we give **Leaffan** before opening up to anyone else who wants to jump in with a category?

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 2:21am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65358 "2019-04-28T02:21:58Z")

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24 hours should suffice.

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**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 2:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65359 "2019-04-28T02:56:12Z")

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Cover songs that are better than the original.

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**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 3:46am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65360 "2019-04-28T03:46:33Z")

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Cover songs that are better than the original.

1. “Hurt,” Johnny Cash

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**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 3:49am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65361 "2019-04-28T03:49:56Z")

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Cover songs that are better than the original.

1. “Hurt,” Johnny Cash
2. “You’re No Good,” Van Halen

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**Author:** ![NDP](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ndp/32/55_2.png) [@NDP](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/NDP)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 4:05am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65362 "2019-04-28T04:05:15Z")

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Cover songs that are better than the original.

1. “Hurt,” Johnny Cash
2. “You’re No Good,” Van Halen
3. “How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?” Al Green

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 4:08am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65363 "2019-04-28T04:08:35Z")

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Cover songs that are better than the original.

1. “Hurt,” Johnny Cash
2. “You’re No Good,” Van Halen
3. “How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?” Al Green
4. “All Along the Watchtower” - The Jimi Hendrix Experience

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 4:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65364 "2019-04-28T04:35:03Z")

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Cover songs that are better than the original.

1. “Hurt,” Johnny Cash
2. “You’re No Good,” Van Halen
3. “How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?” Al Green
4. “All Along the Watchtower” - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
5. “Young Man Blues”, The Who

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 9:07am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65365 "2019-04-28T09:07:57Z")

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Cover songs that are better than the original.

1. “Hurt,” Johnny Cash
2. “You’re No Good,” Van Halen
3. “How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?” Al Green
4. “All Along the Watchtower” - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
5. “Young Man Blues”, The Who
6. “The Star Spangled Banner,” Jimi Hendrix

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**Author:** ![Thin\_Ice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@Thin\_Ice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thin_Ice)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 12:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65366 "2019-04-28T12:49:50Z")

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over songs that are better than the original.

1. “Hurt,” Johnny Cash
2. “You’re No Good,” Van Halen
3. “How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?” Al Green
4. “All Along the Watchtower” - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
5. “Young Man Blues”, The Who
6. “The Star Spangled Banner,” Jimi Hendrix
7. “You Keep Me Hangin’ On,” Vanilla Fudge

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**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\
**Post date:** [April 28, 2019, 3:40pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/65367 "2019-04-28T15:40:40Z")

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Cover songs that are better than the original.

1. “Hurt,” Johnny Cash
2. “You’re No Good,” Van Halen
3. “How Can You Mend a Broken Heart?” Al Green
4. “All Along the Watchtower” - The Jimi Hendrix Experience
5. “Young Man Blues”, The Who
6. “The Star Spangled Banner,” Jimi Hendrix
7. “You Keep Me Hangin’ On,” Vanilla Fudge
8. “Piece of My Heart,” Janis Joplin/Big Brother & the Holding Co.

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