# Bakers Dozen

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 3:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66728 "2019-07-19T03:22:00Z")

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Most talented rock group singers

1. Freddie Mercury of Queen
2. Nick Cave
3. Pat Benatar
4. Elvis
5. David Lee Roth
6. David Bowie
7. Paul McCartney
8. Justin Hayward
9. Chrissie Hynde
10. Bon Scott
11. Roger Daltry

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:12am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66729 "2019-07-19T04:12:46Z")

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Most talented rock group singers

1. Freddie Mercury of Queen
2. Nick Cave
3. Pat Benatar
4. Elvis
5. David Lee Roth
6. David Bowie
7. Paul McCartney
8. Justin Hayward
9. Chrissie Hynde
10. Bon Scott
11. Roger Daltry
12. Steve Perry

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 4:24am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66730 "2019-07-19T04:24:33Z")

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Most talented rock group singers

1. Freddie Mercury of Queen
2. Nick Cave
3. Pat Benatar
4. Elvis
5. David Lee Roth
6. David Bowie
7. Paul McCartney
8. Justin Hayward
9. Chrissie Hynde
10. Bon Scott
11. Roger Daltry
12. Steve Perry
13. Sting

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)

Frank Langella should’ve gotten the Oscar for the role - very funny.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 7:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66731 "2019-07-19T07:00:52Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)
2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense - _No Way Out_

Played by Gene Hackman

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 1:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66732 "2019-07-19T13:23:18Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)
2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense - No Way Out
3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (Les Miserables)

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 7:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66733 "2019-07-19T19:59:01Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)
2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (“No Way Out”)
3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)
4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)

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**Author:** ![Bayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bayaker/32/3454_2.png) [@Bayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bayaker)\
**Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:48pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66734 "2019-07-19T21:48:07Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)
2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (“No Way Out”)
3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)
4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)
5. Hedley Lamarr, Attorney General (“Blazing Saddles”)

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:50pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66735 "2019-07-19T21:50:46Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)
2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (_No Way Out_)
3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)
4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)
5. Hedley Lamarr, Attorney General (“Blazing Saddles”)
6. Frank Skeffington, Mayor of “Boston” (_The Last Hurrah_)

The name of the city isn’t given in the movie but it appears to be Boston.

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**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\
**Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 9:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66736 "2019-07-19T21:53:20Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)
2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (“No Way Out”)
3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)
4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)
5. Hedley Lamarr, Attorney General (“Blazing Saddles”)
6. Albert Nimziki, Secretary of Defense (“Independence Day”)

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**Author:** ![Bayaker](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bayaker/32/3454_2.png) [@Bayaker](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Bayaker)\
**Post date:** [July 19, 2019, 10:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66737 "2019-07-19T22:08:07Z")

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Housekeeping for the overlooked Spencer Tracy:

Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)
2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (No Way Out)
3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)
4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)
5. Hedley Lamarr, Attorney General (“Blazing Saddles”)
6. Frank Skeffington, Mayor of “Boston” (The Last Hurrah)
7. Albert Nimziki, Secretary of Defense (“Independence Day”)

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**Author:** ![SpoilerVirgin](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/4491bb/32.png) [@SpoilerVirgin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/SpoilerVirgin)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:20am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66738 "2019-07-20T01:20:25Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)
2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (No Way Out)
3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)
4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)
5. Hedley Lamarr, Attorney General (“Blazing Saddles”)
6. Frank Skeffington, Mayor of “Boston” (The Last Hurrah)
7. Albert Nimziki, Secretary of Defense (“Independence Day”)
8. A.J. MacInerney, White House Chief of Staff (“The American President”)

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:48am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66739 "2019-07-20T01:48:59Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)
2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (No Way Out)
3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)
4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)
5. Hedley Lamarr, Attorney General (“Blazing Saddles”)
6. Frank Skeffington, Mayor of “Boston” (The Last Hurrah)
7. Albert Nimziki, Secretary of Defense (“Independence Day”)
8. A.J. MacInerney, White House Chief of Staff (“The American President”)
9. Willie Stark, Governor of “Louisiana” (“All the King’s Men”)

The state is never named, but Stark is clearly based on Huey Long and the state he leads is an awful lot like Louisiana.

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**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 2:41am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66740 "2019-07-20T02:41:15Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)

2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (No Way Out)

3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)

4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)

5. Hedley Lamarr, Attorney General (“Blazing Saddles”)

6. Frank Skeffington, Mayor of “Boston” (The Last Hurrah)

7. Albert Nimziki, Secretary of Defense (“Independence Day”)

8. A.J. MacInerney, White House Chief of Staff (“The American President”)

9. Willie Stark, Governor of “Louisiana” (“All the King’s Men”)

10. Arnold Vinick, Senator/Secretary of State (The West Wing)

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66741 "2019-07-20T13:02:54Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)
2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (No Way Out)
3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)
4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)
5. Hedley Lamarr, Attorney General (“Blazing Saddles”)
6. Frank Skeffington, Mayor of “Boston” (The Last Hurrah)
7. Albert Nimziki, Secretary of Defense (“Independence Day”)
8. A.J. MacInerney, White House Chief of Staff (“The American President”)
9. Willie Stark, Governor of “Louisiana” (“All the King’s Men”)
10. Arnold Vinick, Senator/Secretary of State (The West Wing)
11. Cooper, Deputy Director of the CIA (“The Man With One Red Shoe”)

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**Author:** ![Personal](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/p/b9bd4f/32.png) [@Personal](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Personal)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 1:52pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66742 "2019-07-20T13:52:27Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)

2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (No Way Out)

3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)

4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)

5. Hedley Lamarr, Attorney General (“Blazing Saddles”)

6. Frank Skeffington, Mayor of “Boston” (The Last Hurrah)

7. Albert Nimziki, Secretary of Defense (“Independence Day”)

8. A.J. MacInerney, White House Chief of Staff (“The American President”)

9. Willie Stark, Governor of “Louisiana” (“All the King’s Men”)

10. Arnold Vinick, Senator/Secretary of State (The West Wing)

11. Cooper, Deputy Director of the CIA (“The Man With One Red Shoe”)

12. Stuart Smiley, National Security Advisor (Canadian Bacon)

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**Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 2:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66743 "2019-07-20T14:45:00Z")

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Fictional government officials in movies who aren’t heads of state

1. Bob Alexander, White House Chief of Staff (“Dave”)

2. David Brice, Secretary of Defense (No Way Out)

3. Monsieur Madeleine (AKA Jean Valjean), Mayor of M\_\_ (“Les Miserables”)

4. Christopher Todd, Secretary of the Treasury (“Seven Days in May”)

5. Hedley Lamarr, Attorney General (“Blazing Saddles”)

6. Frank Skeffington, Mayor of “Boston” (The Last Hurrah)

7. Albert Nimziki, Secretary of Defense (“Independence Day”)

8. A.J. MacInerney, White House Chief of Staff (“The American President”)

9. Willie Stark, Governor of “Louisiana” (“All the King’s Men”)

10. Arnold Vinick, Senator/Secretary of State (The West Wing)

11. Cooper, Deputy Director of the CIA (“The Man With One Red Shoe”)

12. Stuart Smiley, National Security Advisor (Canadian Bacon)

13. General Thaddeus Ross, Secretary of State (Captain America: Civil War)

…

Pass

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 3:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66744 "2019-07-20T15:44:59Z")

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_The West Wing_ wasn’t a movie.

1. M, James Bond’s boss and head of MI6 (_Skyfall_)

Pass.

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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 4:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66745 "2019-07-20T16:01:41Z")

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Robin Williams best serious (non-comedic) roles.

!. T.S. Garp, The World According to Garp

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**Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 4:13pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66746 "2019-07-20T16:13:18Z")

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Robin Williams best serious (non-comedic) roles.

!. T.S. Garp, The World According to Garp  
2. Walter Finch, Insomnia

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [July 20, 2019, 5:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/66747 "2019-07-20T17:10:21Z")

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Robin Williams best serious (non-comedic) roles.

1. T.S. Garp, The World According to Garp
2. Walter Finch, Insomnia
3. Sy Parrish, _One Hour Photo_

[![](https://img.youtube.com/vi/OdU3vEh3qfs/maxresdefault.jpg "One Hour Photo (5/5) Movie CLIP - Sy Explains Himself (2002) HD") ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OdU3vEh3qfs)

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