# Bakers Dozen

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
**Page:** 3381

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67608 "2019-08-28T20:20:51Z")

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Effective military officers who weren’t the top guy

1. Nathanael Greene, Continental Army, American Revolution
2. William Sherman, United States Army, American Civil War
3. Chuck Horner, United States Air Force, Desert Shield/Desert Storm
4. Edmund Henry Allenby

In WWI, the last great British leader of mounted cavalry.

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**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 8:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67609 "2019-08-28T20:25:39Z")

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Effective military officers who weren’t the top guy

1. Nathanael Greene, Continental Army, American Revolution
2. William Sherman, United States Army, American Civil War
3. Chuck Horner, United States Air Force, Desert Shield/Desert Storm
4. Edmund Henry Allenby
5. Sir Sidney Smith, Napoleanic Wars

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [August 28, 2019, 11:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67610 "2019-08-28T23:12:11Z")

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Effective military officers who weren’t the top guy

1. Nathanael Greene, Continental Army, American Revolution
2. William Sherman, United States Army, American Civil War
3. Chuck Horner, United States Air Force, Desert Shield/Desert Storm
4. Edmund Henry Allenby
5. Sir Sidney Smith, Napoleanic Wars
6. General Erwin Rommel, German Generalfeldmarschall, WWII

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 5:36am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67611 "2019-08-29T05:36:46Z")

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Effective military officers who weren’t the top guy

1. Nathanael Greene, Continental Army, American Revolution
2. William Sherman, United States Army, American Civil War
3. Chuck Horner, United States Air Force, Desert Shield/Desert Storm
4. Edmund Henry Allenby
5. Sir Sidney Smith, Napoleanic Wars
6. General Erwin Rommel, German Generalfeldmarschall, WWII
7. Flavius Belisarius

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**Author:** ![ekedolphin](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/ekedolphin/32/10003_2.png) [@ekedolphin](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/ekedolphin)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 6:06am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67612 "2019-08-29T06:06:11Z")

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Effective military officers who weren’t the top guy

1. Nathanael Greene, Continental Army, American Revolution
2. William Sherman, United States Army, American Civil War
3. Chuck Horner, United States Air Force, Desert Shield/Desert Storm
4. Edmund Henry Allenby
5. Sir Sidney Smith, Napoleanic Wars
6. General Erwin Rommel, German Generalfeldmarschall, WWII
7. Flavius Belisarius
8. General Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, Confederate Army, American Civil War

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**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 12:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67613 "2019-08-29T12:59:05Z")

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Effective military officers who weren’t the top guy

1. Nathanael Greene, Continental Army, American Revolution
2. William Sherman, United States Army, American Civil War
3. Chuck Horner, United States Air Force, Desert Shield/Desert Storm
4. Edmund Henry Allenby
5. Sir Sidney Smith, Napoleanic Wars
6. General Erwin Rommel, German Generalfeldmarschall, WWII
7. Flavius Belisarius
8. General Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, Confederate Army, American Civil War
9. General George Patton, US Army WWII

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 1:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67614 "2019-08-29T13:59:57Z")

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Effective military officers who weren’t the top guy

1. Nathanael Greene, Continental Army, American Revolution
2. William Sherman, United States Army, American Civil War
3. Chuck Horner, United States Air Force, Desert Shield/Desert Storm
4. Edmund Henry Allenby, British Army, WWI
5. Sir Sidney Smith, Royal Navy, Napoleonic Wars
6. General Erwin Rommel, German Generalfeldmarschall, WWII
7. Flavius Belisarius, General, Byzantium
8. General Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, Confederate Army, American Civil War
9. General George Patton, US Army WWII
10. Adm. Sir Sandy Woodward, Royal Navy, Falklands War

His book about the campaign, _One Hundred Days_, is excellent.

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**Author:** ![gkster](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/gkster/32/14107_2.png) [@gkster](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/gkster)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 3:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67615 "2019-08-29T15:10:53Z")

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Effective military officers who weren’t the top guy

1. Nathanael Greene, Continental Army, American Revolution
2. William Sherman, United States Army, American Civil War
3. Chuck Horner, United States Air Force, Desert Shield/Desert Storm
4. Edmund Henry Allenby, British Army, WWI
5. Sir Sidney Smith, Royal Navy, Napoleonic Wars
6. General Erwin Rommel, German Generalfeldmarschall, WWII
7. Flavius Belisarius, General, Byzantium
8. General Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, Confederate Army, American Civil War
9. General George Patton, US Army WWII
10. Adm. Sir Sandy Woodward, Royal Navy, Falklands War
11. General Jonathan Wainwright, US Army WWII  
From his Medal of Honor citation:

Distinguished himself by intrepid and determined leadership against greatly superior enemy forces. At the repeated risk of life above and beyond the call of duty in his position, he frequented the firing line of his troops where his presence provided the example and incentive that helped make the gallant efforts of these men possible. The final stand on beleaguered Corregidor, for which he was in an important measure personally responsible, commanded the admiration of the Nation’s allies. It reflected the high morale of American arms in the face of overwhelming odds.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 3:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67616 "2019-08-29T15:49:19Z")

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Effective military officers who weren’t the top guy

1. Nathanael Greene, Continental Army, American Revolution
2. William Sherman, United States Army, American Civil War
3. Chuck Horner, United States Air Force, Desert Shield/Desert Storm
4. Edmund Henry Allenby, British Army, WWI
5. Sir Sidney Smith, Royal Navy, Napoleonic Wars
6. General Erwin Rommel, German Generalfeldmarschall, WWII
7. Flavius Belisarius, General, Eastern Roman Empire
8. General Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, Confederate Army, American Civil War
9. General George Patton, US Army WWII
10. Adm. Sir Sandy Woodward, Royal Navy, Falklands War
11. General Jonathan Wainwright, US Army WWII
12. Chester Nimitz, United States Navy, WWII

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**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 4:16pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67617 "2019-08-29T16:16:51Z")

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Effective military officers who weren’t the top guy

1. Nathanael Greene, Continental Army, American Revolution
2. William Sherman, United States Army, American Civil War
3. Chuck Horner, United States Air Force, Desert Shield/Desert Storm
4. Edmund Henry Allenby, British Army, WWI
5. Sir Sidney Smith, Royal Navy, Napoleonic Wars
6. General Erwin Rommel, German Generalfeldmarschall, WWII
7. Flavius Belisarius, General, Eastern Roman Empire
8. General Thomas “Stonewall” Jackson, Confederate Army, American Civil War
9. General George Patton, US Army WWII
10. Adm. Sir Sandy Woodward, Royal Navy, Falklands War
11. General Jonathan Wainwright, US Army WWII
12. Chester Nimitz, United States Navy, WWII
13. Lt. Col. Joshua Lawrence Chamberlain, US Army, Civil War

Successfully defended Little Round Top at the Battle of Gettysburg and earned a Medal of Honor.

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson

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**Author:** ![Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/intergalactic_gladiator/32/112_2.png) [@Intergalactic\_Gladiator](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Intergalactic_Gladiator)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 4:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67618 "2019-08-29T16:53:16Z")

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson
2. Fender

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 5:35pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67619 "2019-08-29T17:35:46Z")

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson
2. Fender
3. Yamaha

While the company is now known for many other products, they started out making musical instruments.

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**Author:** ![Spoons](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/spoons/32/3141_2.png) [@Spoons](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Spoons)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 5:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67620 "2019-08-29T17:41:23Z")

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson
2. Fender
3. Yamaha
4. Ovation

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**Author:** ![Cardigan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/cardigan/32/187_2.png) [@Cardigan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Cardigan)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 6:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67621 "2019-08-29T18:05:58Z")

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson
2. Fender
3. Yamaha
4. Ovation
5. Alvarez

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**Author:** ![panache45](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/panache45/32/64_2.png) [@panache45](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/panache45)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 6:20pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67622 "2019-08-29T18:20:20Z")

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson
2. Fender
3. Yamaha
4. Ovation
5. Alvarez
6. Ibanez

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 7:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67623 "2019-08-29T19:08:30Z")

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson
2. Fender
3. Yamaha
4. Ovation
5. Alvarez
6. Ibanez
7. Gretsch

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**Author:** ![bordelond](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/bordelond/32/150_2.png) [@bordelond](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/bordelond)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 7:09pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67624 "2019-08-29T19:09:19Z")

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson
2. Fender
3. Yamaha
4. Ovation
5. Alvarez
6. Ibanez
7. Gretsch
8. Rickenbacker

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**Author:** ![Thin\_Ice](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/t/aeb1de/32.png) [@Thin\_Ice](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Thin_Ice)\
**Post date:** [August 29, 2019, 7:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67625 "2019-08-29T19:15:28Z")

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson
2. Fender
3. Yamaha
4. Ovation
5. Alvarez
6. Ibanez
7. Gretsch
8. Rickenbacker
9. Martin

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**Author:** ![Nonsuch](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/nonsuch/32/2922_2.png) [@Nonsuch](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Nonsuch)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 5:44am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67626 "2019-08-30T05:44:44Z")

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson
2. Fender
3. Yamaha
4. Ovation
5. Alvarez
6. Ibanez
7. Gretsch
8. Rickenbacker
9. Martin
10. Danelectro

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**Author:** ![Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/prof.pepperwinkle/32/13627_2.png) [@Prof.Pepperwinkle](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Prof.Pepperwinkle)\
**Post date:** [August 30, 2019, 11:42am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/67627 "2019-08-30T11:42:26Z")

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Guitar Manufacturers

1. Gibson
2. Fender
3. Yamaha
4. Ovation
5. Alvarez
6. Ibanez
7. Gretsch
8. Rickenbacker
9. Martin
10. Danelectro
11. Seagull

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