# Bakers Dozen **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 3462
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Things that went wrong (major and minor) with the Apollo moon missions: Apollos 11 - 17. 1. Apollo 14 - Landing radar not functional until a minute before landing, which almost resulted in an abort. 2. Apollo 12 - First color television camera on lunar surface, but transmission lost because accidentally pointed toward sun and sensor destroyed. 3. Apollo 13 - Oxygen tank failure meant abort of the lunar landing mission. Thankfully, the crew returned to Earth safely. 4. Apollo 11 - Buzz Aldrin’s urine collection bag ruptures during landing; the second human to set foot on the lunar surface does so with urine sloshing inside his left boot. 5. Apollo 11 - With no atmosphere, moon dust scattered at ballistic speed and threatened to damage the spacesuits. 6. Apollo 17 - Launch delayed by two hours and forty minutes due to an automatic cutoff in the launch sequencer at the T-30 second mark in the countdown. 7. Apollo 12 - Lightning hit on vehicle during 1st stage climb trips the CSM power circuits. “SCE to AUX” solution saves the day 8. Apollo 15 - Lost one of three parachutes but still splashed down safely 9. Apollo 14 - The first golf ball ever hit on the moon landed ingloriously in a crater; a challenging lie if ever there was. 10. Apollo 11- The Navigational Computer flashed a 1202 alarm, caused by too many commands being loaded into it. 11. Apollo 11 - Neil Armstrong bungled his immortal first sentence on the moon. 12. Apollo 17 - A hammer in the suit of Gene Cernan caught on a fender of the lunar rover and snapped it. Gene and Harrison Schmitt repaired it with a laminated map and duct tape. ---
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Things that went wrong (major and minor) with the Apollo moon missions: Apollos 11 - 17. 1. Apollo 14 - Landing radar not functional until a minute before landing, which almost resulted in an abort. 2. Apollo 12 - First color television camera on lunar surface, but transmission lost because accidentally pointed toward sun and sensor destroyed. 3. Apollo 13 - Oxygen tank failure meant abort of the lunar landing mission. Thankfully, the crew returned to Earth safely. 4. Apollo 11 - Buzz Aldrin’s urine collection bag ruptures during landing; the second human to set foot on the lunar surface does so with urine sloshing inside his left boot. 5. Apollo 11 - With no atmosphere, moon dust scattered at ballistic speed and threatened to damage the spacesuits. 6. Apollo 17 - Launch delayed by two hours and forty minutes due to an automatic cutoff in the launch sequencer at the T-30 second mark in the countdown. 7. Apollo 12 - Lightning hit on vehicle during 1st stage climb trips the CSM power circuits. “SCE to AUX” solution saves the day 8. Apollo 15 - Lost one of three parachutes but still splashed down safely 9. Apollo 14 - The first golf ball ever hit on the moon landed ingloriously in a crater; a challenging lie if ever there was. 10. Apollo 11- The Navigational Computer flashed a 1202 alarm, caused by too many commands being loaded into it. 11. Apollo 11 - Neil Armstrong bungled his immortal first sentence on the moon. 12. Apollo 17 - A hammer in the suit of Gene Cernan caught on a fender of the lunar rover and snapped it. Gene and Harrison Schmitt repaired it with a laminated map and duct tape. 13. Apollo 16 - The orange juice drinks bags that were fitted into the spacesuits leaked copiously. New Gods in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god ---
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Gods in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war Just editing the category title for clarity; however, considering **SpoilerVirgin** ’s response, maybe it’s clear enough. Carry on ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate 4. Ganesha - Hindu god of beginnings, remover of obstacles, deva of intellect and wisdom ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate 4. Ganesha - Hindu god of beginnings, remover of obstacles, deva of intellect and wisdom 5. Aphrodite - Greek Goddess of love ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate 4. Ganesha - Hindu god of beginnings, remover of obstacles, deva of intellect and wisdom 5. Aphrodite - Greek Goddess of love 6. Eris - Greek goddess of discord fnord! ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate 4. Ganesha - Hindu god of beginnings, remover of obstacles, deva of intellect and wisdom 5. Aphrodite - Greek Goddess of love 6. Eris - Greek goddess of discord fnord! 7. Diana, Roman goddess of the hunt, the moon, virginity, and childbirth ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate 4. Ganesha - Hindu god of beginnings, remover of obstacles, deva of intellect and wisdom 5. Aphrodite - Greek Goddess of love 6. Eris - Greek goddess of discord fnord! 7. Diana, Roman goddess of the hunt, the moon, virginity, and childbirth 8. Jizo - Shinto goddess of children and childbirth ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate 4. Ganesha - Hindu god of beginnings, remover of obstacles, deva of intellect and wisdom 5. Aphrodite - Greek Goddess of love 6. Eris - Greek goddess of discord fnord! 7. Diana, Roman goddess of the hunt, the moon, virginity, and childbirth 8. Jizo - Shinto goddess of children and childbirth 9. Anubis - ancient Egyptian god of death **mjmlabs** I see what you did there ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate 4. Ganesha - Hindu god of beginnings, remover of obstacles, deva of intellect and wisdom 5. Aphrodite - Greek Goddess of love 6. Eris - Greek goddess of discord fnord! 7. Diana, Roman goddess of the hunt, the moon, virginity, and childbirth 8. Jizo - Shinto goddess of children and childbirth 9. Anubis - ancient Egyptian god of death 10. Mars - Roman god of war; also an agricultural guardian ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate 4. Ganesha - Hindu god of beginnings, remover of obstacles, deva of intellect and wisdom 5. Aphrodite - Greek Goddess of love 6. Eris - Greek goddess of discord fnord! 7. Diana, Roman goddess of the hunt, the moon, virginity, and childbirth 8. Jizo - Shinto goddess of children and childbirth 9. Anubis - ancient Egyptian god of death 10. Mars - Roman god of war; also an agricultural guardian 11, Xochiquetzal - Aztec goddess of childbirth, fertility and beauty ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate 4. Ganesha - Hindu god of beginnings, remover of obstacles, deva of intellect and wisdom 5. Aphrodite - Greek Goddess of love 6. Eris - Greek goddess of discord fnord! 7. Diana, Roman goddess of the hunt, the moon, virginity, and childbirth 8. Jizo - Shinto goddess of children and childbirth 9. Anubis - ancient Egyptian god of death 10. Mars - Roman god of war; also an agricultural guardian 11. Xochiquetzal - Aztec goddess of childbirth, fertility and beauty 12. Vishnu - Hindu protector of the universe, has come to Earth in 9 forms (so far) ---
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Gods / Goddesses in polytheistic religions 1. Shamash - Babylonian sun god 2. Athena - ancient Greek goddess of wisdom, handicrafts and war 3. Morrigan (Mór-Ríoghain) - Celtic goddess of fate 4. Ganesha - Hindu god of beginnings, remover of obstacles, deva of intellect and wisdom 5. Aphrodite - Greek Goddess of love 6. Eris - Greek goddess of discord fnord! 7. Diana, Roman goddess of the hunt, the moon, virginity, and childbirth 8. Jizo - Shinto goddess of children and childbirth 9. Anubis - ancient Egyptian god of death 10. Mars - Roman god of war; also an agricultural guardian 11. Xochiquetzal - Aztec goddess of childbirth, fertility and beauty 12. Vishnu - Hindu protector of the universe, has come to Earth in 9 forms (so far) 13. Pele - Hawaiian goddess of fire and volcanoes I’ll pass. ---
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Aircraft that look like they’re breaking the sound barrier even when motionless on the ground (with links): 1. SR-71 [Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#/media/File:Sr71_1.jpg) ---
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Aircraft that look like they’re breaking the sound barrier even when motionless on the ground (with links): 1. SR-71 [Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#/media/File:Sr71_1.jpg) 2. F-104 Starfighter [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Lockheed\_F-104A\_of\_the\_83rd\_Fighter\_Interceptor\_Squadron\_at\_Taoyuan\_Air\_Base%2C\_Taiwan%2C\_on\_Sept.\_15%2C\_1958%2C\_during\_the\_Quemoy\_Crisis\_-\_Operation\_Jonah\_Able.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Lockheed_F-104A_of_the_83rd_Fighter_Interceptor_Squadron_at_Taoyuan_Air_Base%2C_Taiwan%2C_on_Sept._15%2C_1958%2C_during_the_Quemoy_Crisis_-_Operation_Jonah_Able.jpg) ---
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Aircraft that look like they’re breaking the sound barrier even when motionless on the ground (with links): 1. SR-71 [Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#/media/File:Sr71_1.jpg) 2. F-104 Starfighter [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Lockheed\_F-104A\_of\_the\_83rd\_Fighter\_Interceptor\_Squadron\_at\_Taoyuan\_Air\_Base%2C\_Taiwan%2C\_on\_Sept.\_15%2C\_1958%2C\_during\_the\_Quemoy\_Crisis\_-\_Operation\_Jonah\_Able.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Lockheed_F-104A_of_the_83rd_Fighter_Interceptor_Squadron_at_Taoyuan_Air_Base%2C_Taiwan%2C_on_Sept._15%2C_1958%2C_during_the_Quemoy_Crisis_-_Operation_Jonah_Able.jpg) 3. Avro Arrow [https://s3.amazonaws.com/btoimage/prism-thumbnails/articles/0af8-20130104-Avro-Render.jpg-resize\_then\_crop-\_frame\_bg\_color\_FFF-h\_1365-gravity\_center-q\_70-preserve\_ratio\_true-w\_2048\_.webp](https://s3.amazonaws.com/btoimage/prism-thumbnails/articles/0af8-20130104-Avro-Render.jpg-resize_then_crop-_frame_bg_color_FFF-h_1365-gravity_center-q_70-preserve_ratio_true-w_2048_.webp) ---
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Aircraft that look like they’re breaking the sound barrier even when motionless on the ground (with links): 1. SR-71 [Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#/media/File:Sr71_1.jpg) 2. F-104 Starfighter [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Lockheed\_F-104A\_of\_the\_83rd\_Fighter\_Interceptor\_Squadron\_at\_Taoyuan\_Air\_Base%2C\_Taiwan%2C\_on\_Sept.\_15%2C\_1958%2C\_during\_the\_Quemoy\_Crisis\_-\_Operation\_Jonah\_Able.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Lockheed_F-104A_of_the_83rd_Fighter_Interceptor_Squadron_at_Taoyuan_Air_Base%2C_Taiwan%2C_on_Sept._15%2C_1958%2C_during_the_Quemoy_Crisis_-_Operation_Jonah_Able.jpg) 3. Avro Arrow [https://s3.amazonaws.com/btoimage/prism-thumbnails/articles/0af8-20130104-Avro-Render.jpg-resize\_then\_crop-\_frame\_bg\_color\_FFF-h\_1365-gravity\_center-q\_70-preserve\_ratio\_true-w\_2048\_.webp](https://s3.amazonaws.com/btoimage/prism-thumbnails/articles/0af8-20130104-Avro-Render.jpg-resize_then_crop-_frame_bg_color_FFF-h_1365-gravity_center-q_70-preserve_ratio_true-w_2048_.webp) 4. X-29 [http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190705151330-grumman-x-29-ec90-039-4.jpg](http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190705151330-grumman-x-29-ec90-039-4.jpg) ---
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Aircraft that look like they’re breaking the sound barrier even when motionless on the ground (with links): 1. SR-71 [Lockheed SR-71 Blackbird - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lockheed_SR-71_Blackbird#/media/File:Sr71_1.jpg) 2. F-104 Starfighter [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Lockheed\_F-104A\_of\_the\_83rd\_Fighter\_Interceptor\_Squadron\_at\_Taoyuan\_Air\_Base%2C\_Taiwan%2C\_on\_Sept.\_15%2C\_1958%2C\_during\_the\_Quemoy\_Crisis\_-\_Operation\_Jonah\_Able.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/f/ff/Lockheed_F-104A_of_the_83rd_Fighter_Interceptor_Squadron_at_Taoyuan_Air_Base%2C_Taiwan%2C_on_Sept._15%2C_1958%2C_during_the_Quemoy_Crisis_-_Operation_Jonah_Able.jpg) 3. Avro Arrow [https://s3.amazonaws.com/btoimage/prism-thumbnails/articles/0af8-20130104-Avro-Render.jpg-resize\_then\_crop-\_frame\_bg\_color\_FFF-h\_1365-gravity\_center-q\_70-preserve\_ratio\_true-w\_2048\_.webp](https://s3.amazonaws.com/btoimage/prism-thumbnails/articles/0af8-20130104-Avro-Render.jpg-resize_then_crop-_frame_bg_color_FFF-h_1365-gravity_center-q_70-preserve_ratio_true-w_2048_.webp) 4. X-29 [http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190705151330-grumman-x-29-ec90-039-4.jpg](http://cdn.cnn.com/cnnnext/dam/assets/190705151330-grumman-x-29-ec90-039-4.jpg) 5. Saab J35 Draken [https://www.aircraftcompare.com/wp-content/uploads/577.jpg](https://www.aircraftcompare.com/wp-content/uploads/577.jpg) [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=3461) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=3463)