# Bakers Dozen **URL:** \ **Category:** Thread Games\ **Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\ **Posts on this page:** 20\ **Page:** 480
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 3:10am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9582 "2012-02-02T03:10:17Z")
Creepy or semi-creepy museums/tourist attractions and why: 1. The Sixth Floor Museum, Dallas, Tx. 2. Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox statues, Bemidji, Minn. 3. The Mutter Museum in Philly, PA. 4. The London Dungeon (Jack the Ripper attraction/general torture museum) 5. The Museum of Death, Hollywood, CA 6. The Lizzie Borden Bed & Breakfast/Museum - Located in Lizzie’s actual Fall River, MA house 7. The Central State Hospital Museum, Milledgeville, GA 8. The Vent Haven Ventriloquist Museum, Fort Mitchell, KY 9. Bodies: the Exhibition- 10. [House of Slaves](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Slaves), Gorée Island, Senegal Although the number of captured Africans who actually passed through the “Door of No Return” is in dispute, and the island’s importance may be more symbolic than anything, the site’s power to bring visitors face-to-face with the chilling realities of the slave trade is undisputed. ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 4:00am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9583 "2012-02-02T04:00:51Z")
Creepy or semi-creepy museums/tourist attractions and why: 1. The Sixth Floor Museum, Dallas, Tx. 2. Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox statues, Bemidji, Minn. 3. The Mutter Museum in Philly, PA. 4. The London Dungeon (Jack the Ripper attraction/general torture museum) 5. The Museum of Death, Hollywood, CA 6. The Lizzie Borden Bed & Breakfast/Museum - Located in Lizzie’s actual Fall River, MA house 7. The Central State Hospital Museum, Milledgeville, GA 8. The Vent Haven Ventriloquist Museum, Fort Mitchell, KY 9. Bodies: the Exhibition- 10. [House of Slaves](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Slaves), Gorée Island, Senegal 11. The P.O.W. Museum, Andersonville, GA Totally worth the trip to see even though it’s not convenient to much of anything other than (Jimmy Carter’s home in) Plains. The creepy part comes with the re-creations of Vietnamese prisons, both the infamous tiger cages and the mortar cells, as well as some of the “may neither I nor anybody I love ever have to do something like that to survive”. (One of the most interesting along those lines is a simple collection of homemade toothpicks: P.O.W.s held by the Japanese would occasionally secret sharp toothpick sized sticks and slip it into the food of the cows that they were feeding so that, hopefully, the cow would bleed to death internally. This started because once when a cow died from a disease the Japanese were afraid to butcher it because the meat might be contaminated so they gave it to the prisoners with a “why not?” attitude, and it was the first meat/serious protein the p.o.w.'s had since their confinement; the “toothpicks” were done so that maybe, just maybe, the cow would die of internal bleeding, the Japanese would think it was as diseased, and they’d give them another one.) ---
**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 12:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9584 "2012-02-02T12:17:28Z")
Creepy or semi-creepy museums/tourist attractions and why: 1. The Sixth Floor Museum, Dallas, Tx. 2. Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox statues, Bemidji, Minn. 3. The Mutter Museum in Philly, PA. 4. The London Dungeon (Jack the Ripper attraction/general torture museum) 5. The Museum of Death, Hollywood, CA 6. The Lizzie Borden Bed & Breakfast/Museum - Located in Lizzie’s actual Fall River, MA house 7. The Central State Hospital Museum, Milledgeville, GA 8. The Vent Haven Ventriloquist Museum, Fort Mitchell, KY 9. Bodies: the Exhibition- 10. [House of Slaves](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/House_of_Slaves), Gorée Island, Senegal 11. The P.O.W. Museum, Andersonville, GA 12. [St. Joseph Oratory](http://www.aviewoncities.com/montreal/oratoirestjoseph.htm), Montreal It’s a creepy place but this: > [@](#): > > The heart of Brother André sits in a reliquary (a shrine for holy relics) at the basilica’s museum. He requested that it be kept in the basilica so as to provide protection for the building and the people that enter. is the kicker. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 8:54pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9585 "2012-02-02T20:54:54Z")
Creepy or semi-creepy museums/tourist attractions and why: 1. The Sixth Floor Museum, Dallas, Tx. 2. Paul Bunyan and Babe the Blue Ox statues, Bemidji, Minn. 3. The Mutter Museum in Philly, PA. 4. The London Dungeon (Jack the Ripper attraction/general torture museum) 5. The Museum of Death, Hollywood, CA 6. The Lizzie Borden Bed & Breakfast/Museum - Located in Lizzie’s actual Fall River, MA house 7. The Central State Hospital Museum, Milledgeville, GA 8. The Vent Haven Ventriloquist Museum, Fort Mitchell, KY 9. Bodies: the Exhibition- 10. House of Slaves, Gorée Island, Senegal 11. The P.O.W. Museum, Andersonville, GA 12. St. Joseph Oratory, Montreal 13. [The Salem Witch Museum](http://www.salemwitchmuseum.com/) Next up: Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 9:05pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9586 "2012-02-02T21:05:40Z")
Next up: Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps 2. [Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment) ---
**Author:** ![Sternvogel](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/bc79bd/32.png) [@Sternvogel](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sternvogel)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 9:10pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9587 "2012-02-02T21:10:00Z")
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**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 9:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9588 "2012-02-02T21:12:45Z")
> [@Sternvogel](#): > > Next up: Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens > > 1. World War II Internment Camps > 2. [Tuskegee syphilis experiment](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuskegee_syphilis_experiment) Did we simul-post, or did you forget to add one? 🙂 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 2, 2012, 9:36pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9589 "2012-02-02T21:36:38Z")
Next up: Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps 2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments 3. Sherman’s March Not just revisionist history or being neo-Confederate (which I’m not)- Sherman was villified and damned at the time in the northern press for his army’s crimes against civilians. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 4:25pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9590 "2012-02-03T16:25:01Z")
Next up: Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps 2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments 3. Sherman’s March 4. The Trail of Tears ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 5:42pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9591 "2012-02-03T17:42:01Z")
Next up: Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps 2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments 3. Sherman’s March 4. The Trail of Tears 5. Wounded Knee Massacre ---
**Author:** ![notfrommensa](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/n/f14d63/32.png) [@notfrommensa](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/notfrommensa)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 6:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9592 "2012-02-03T18:53:18Z")
Next up: Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps 2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments 3. Sherman’s March 4. The Trail of Tears 5. Wounded Knee Massacre 6. 18th Amendment of the Constitution (so atrocious that it was repealed about 15 years later) ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 7:41pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9593 "2012-02-03T19:41:30Z")
Nitpick to 4 & 5: American Indians weren’t citizens before the 1920s. Though if they are allowed in this the list will fill out a lot quicker. ---
**Author:** ![YoDoc](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/y/e68b1a/32.png) [@YoDoc](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/YoDoc)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 7:44pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9594 "2012-02-03T19:44:39Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Nitpick to 4 & 5: American Indians weren’t citizens before the 1920s. Though if they are allowed in this the list will fill out a lot quicker. I had the same thought. ---
**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\ **Post date:** [February 3, 2012, 7:53pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9595 "2012-02-03T19:53:17Z")
> [@YoDoc](#): > > I had the same thought. Yeah, yeah, so did I, but I figured if #4 got past, #5 would too. 😛 ---
**Author:** ![Sampiro](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/2acd7d/32.png) [@Sampiro](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sampiro)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 12:22am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9596 "2012-02-04T00:22:58Z")
Next up: Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps 2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments 3. Sherman’s March 4. The Trail of Tears 5. Wounded Knee Massacre 6. 18th Amendment of the Constitution 7. The execution of Ethel Rosenberg Her husband was guilty of (barely competent) espionage and arguably deserved execution, but most objective scholars would agree that Ethel at most deserved jail time, if that. ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 1:35am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9597 "2012-02-04T01:35:06Z")
> [@Sampiro](#): > > Nitpick to 4 & 5: American Indians weren’t citizens before the 1920s. Though if they are allowed in this the list will fill out a lot quicker. I figured they were people living in the United States and subject to the authority of the American government. If they were not legally citizens, that’s arguably a good item for the list. ---
**Author:** ![TexCat](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/texcat/32/9041_2.png) [@TexCat](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/TexCat)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 3:56am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9598 "2012-02-04T03:56:28Z")
Next up: Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps 2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments 3. Sherman’s March 4. The Trail of Tears 5. Wounded Knee Massacre 6. 18th Amendment of the Constitution 7. The execution of Ethel Rosenberg 8. [American\_detainees\_at\_Guantanamo\_Bay](http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_detainees_at_Guantanamo_Bay) ---
**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\ **Post date:** [February 4, 2012, 5:11am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9599 "2012-02-04T05:11:51Z")
I’m dubious of #6. Prohibition was duly proposed and ratified by the citizenry through their elected state legislatures; it wasn’t imposed on them by the U.S. Government. Also: Very bad policy, and lots of unintended consequences, but calling it an “atrocity” is a bit much. Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps 2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments 3. Sherman’s March 4. The Trail of Tears 5. Wounded Knee Massacre 6. 18th Amendment of the Constitution 7. The execution of Ethel Rosenberg 8. American detainees at Guantanamo Bay 9. Elmira, N.Y. prison camp during Civil War Lincoln refused to recognize the legitimacy of secession and insisted that the Confederates remained U.S. citizens, after all. ---
**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2012, 2:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9600 "2012-02-06T14:22:09Z")
Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps 2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments 3. Sherman’s March 4. The Trail of Tears 5. Wounded Knee Massacre 6. 18th Amendment of the Constitution 7. The execution of Ethel Rosenberg 8. American detainees at Guantanamo Bay 9. Elmira, N.Y. prison camp during Civil War 10. Southern Reconstruction after the Civil War ---
**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\ **Post date:** [February 6, 2012, 3:08pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9601 "2012-02-06T15:08:30Z")
Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens 1. World War II Internment Camps 2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments 3. Sherman’s March 4. The Trail of Tears 5. Wounded Knee Massacre 6. 18th Amendment of the Constitution 7. The execution of Ethel Rosenberg 8. American detainees at Guantanamo Bay 9. Elmira, N.Y. prison camp during Civil War 10. Southern Reconstruction after the Civil War 11. Operation MK-Ultra [Previous page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=479) [Next page](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173.md?page=481)