# Bakers Dozen

**URL:** <https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173>\
**Category:** Thread Games\
**Created:** [August 4, 2010, 5:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173 "2010-08-04T17:56:40Z")\
**Posts on this page:** 20\
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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 4:26am UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9602 "2012-02-07T04:26:48Z")

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Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens

1. World War II Internment Camps
2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments
3. Sherman’s March
4. The Trail of Tears
5. Wounded Knee Massacre
6. 18th Amendment of the Constitution
7. The execution of Ethel Rosenberg
8. American detainees at Guantanamo Bay
9. Elmira, N.Y. prison camp during Civil War
10. Southern Reconstruction after the Civil War
11. Operation MK-Ultra
12. Palmer Raids and deportations

Not sure some of these (Reconstruction? Really?) rise to the level of “atrocities,” but whatever.

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**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 12:22pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9603 "2012-02-07T12:22:20Z")

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Atrocities committed by the American Government against its citizens

1. World War II Internment Camps
2. Tuskegee Syphilis Experiments
3. Sherman’s March
4. The Trail of Tears
5. Wounded Knee Massacre
6. 18th Amendment of the Constitution
7. The execution of Ethel Rosenberg
8. American detainees at Guantanamo Bay
9. Elmira, N.Y. prison camp during Civil War
10. Southern Reconstruction after the Civil War
11. Operation MK-Ultra
12. Palmer Raids and deportations
13. Selective Services Act of 1948

> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Not sure some of these (Reconstruction? Really?) rise to the level of “atrocities,” but whatever.

Agreed.

New list: Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 2:23pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9604 "2012-02-07T14:23:55Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation

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**Author:** ![Leaffan](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/leaffan/32/299_2.png) [@Leaffan](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Leaffan)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 2:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9605 "2012-02-07T14:32:11Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show

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**Author:** ![JohnT](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/johnt/32/15048_2.png) [@JohnT](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/JohnT)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 2:49pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9606 "2012-02-07T14:49:42Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara, Buffy the Vampire Slayer

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**Author:** ![Sparky812](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/s/eb9ed0/32.png) [@Sparky812](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Sparky812)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 2:56pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9607 "2012-02-07T14:56:52Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 3:01pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9608 "2012-02-07T15:01:34Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara, Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
6. Henry Blake - MASH

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**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 3:31pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9609 "2012-02-07T15:31:06Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
6. Henry Blake - M_A_S\*H
7. Kaitlin Todd - NCIS

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 3:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9610 "2012-02-07T15:32:52Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
6. Henry Blake - M_A_S\*H
7. Kaitlin Todd - NCIS
8. Dr. Nick - The Simpsons

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**Author:** ![Infovore](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/infovore/32/420_2.png) [@Infovore](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Infovore)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 4:18pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9611 "2012-02-07T16:18:59Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Character kill-offs and their shows
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> 1. Catherine Willows - CSI
> 2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
> 3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
> 4. Tara - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
> 5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
> 6. Henry Blake - M_A_S\*H
> 7. Kaitlin Todd - NCIS
> 8. Dr. Nick - The Simpsons

Wait a sec–I’m confused. They didn’t kill off Catherine Willows on CSI, unless by “kill off” you mean “left the show.” If you’re talking about actual death, swap Catherine for Warrick Brown.

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**Author:** ![Little\_Nemo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/little_nemo/32/3120_2.png) [@Little\_Nemo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Little_Nemo)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:02pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9612 "2012-02-07T17:02:49Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
6. Henry Blake - M_A_S\*H
7. Kaitlin Todd - NCIS
8. Dr. Nick - The Simpsons
9. Vinnie Terranova - Wiseguy

The lead character of the series. He was killed off and replaced on the show in its fourth season but later returned in a reunion movie with no mention made of his supposed death.

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**Author:** ![Eutychus](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/a3d4f5/32.png) [@Eutychus](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Eutychus)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:12pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9613 "2012-02-07T17:12:16Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
6. Henry Blake - M_A_S\*H
7. Kaitlin Todd - NCIS
8. Dr. Nick - The Simpsons
9. Vinnie Terranova - Wiseguy
10. Roman Grant - Big Love

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**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:32pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9614 "2012-02-07T17:32:51Z")

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> [@Infovore](#):
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> Wait a sec–I’m confused. They didn’t kill off Catherine Willows on CSI, unless by “kill off” you mean “left the show.” If you’re talking about actual death, swap Catherine for Warrick Brown.

That’s **Sparky812** ’s decision

Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
6. Henry Blake - M_A_S\*H
7. Kaitlin Todd - NCIS
8. Dr. Nick - The Simpsons
9. Vinnie Terranova - Wiseguy
10. Roman Grant - Big Love
11. Big Pussy - The Sopranos

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 5:45pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9615 "2012-02-07T17:45:32Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
6. Henry Blake - M_A_S\*H
7. Kaitlin Todd - NCIS
8. Dr. Nick - The Simpsons
9. Vinnie Terranova - Wiseguy
10. Roman Grant - Big Love
11. Big Pussy - The Sopranos
12. Maude Flanders - The Simpsons

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 6:59pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9616 "2012-02-07T18:59:23Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
6. Henry Blake - M_A_S\*H
7. Kaitlin Todd - NCIS
8. Dr. Nick - The Simpsons
9. Vinnie Terranova - Wiseguy
10. Roman Grant - Big Love
11. Big Pussy - The Sopranos
12. Maude Flanders - The Simpsons

Oops, I didn’t see #6.

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**Author:** ![Rebo](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/rebo/32/13005_2.png) [@Rebo](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Rebo)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 7:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9617 "2012-02-07T19:04:48Z")

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Character kill-offs and their shows

1. Catherine Willows - CSI
2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
4. Tara - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
6. Henry Blake - M_A_S\*H
7. Kaitlin Todd - NCIS
8. Dr. Nick - The Simpsons
9. Vinnie Terranova - Wiseguy
10. Roman Grant - Big Love
11. Big Pussy - The Sopranos
12. Maude Flanders - The Simpsons
13. Edith Bunker - All in the Family

Someone else can choose a category.

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**Author:** ![Annie-Xmas](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/ecc23a/32.png) [@Annie-Xmas](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Annie-Xmas)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 9:15pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9618 "2012-02-07T21:15:17Z")

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Professional sports teams whose names have a connection with religion:

1. New Jersey Devils

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**Author:** ![Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/e/7cd45c/32.png) [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/Elendil_s_Heir)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 9:17pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9619 "2012-02-07T21:17:04Z")

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Professional sports teams whose names have a connection with religion

1. New Jersey Devils
2. New Orleans Saints

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**Author:** ![anyrose](https://avatars.discourse-cdn.com/v4/letter/a/54ee81/32.png) [@anyrose](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/anyrose)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 9:38pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9620 "2012-02-07T21:38:10Z")

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Professional sports teams whose names have a connection with religion

1. New Jersey Devils
2. New Orleans Saints
3. San Diego Padres

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**Author:** ![The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://sea3.discourse-cdn.com/straightdope/user_avatar/boards.straightdope.com/the_other_jeffrey_lebowski/32/215_2.png) [@The\_Other\_Jeffrey\_Lebowski](https://boards.straightdope.com/u/The_Other_Jeffrey_Lebowski)\
**Post date:** [February 7, 2012, 10:04pm UTC](https://boards.straightdope.com/t/bakers-dozen/549173/9621 "2012-02-07T22:04:22Z")

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> [@Elendil\_s\_Heir](#):
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> Character kill-offs and their shows
> 
> 1. Catherine Willows - CSI
> 2. Tasha Yar - Star Trek: The Next Generation
> 3. Chuckles the Clown - The Mary Tyler Moore Show
> 4. Tara - Buffy the Vampire Slayer
> 5. J.R. Ewing - Dallas
> 6. Henry Blake - M_A_S\*H
> 7. Kaitlin Todd - NCIS
> 8. Dr. Nick - The Simpsons

Dr. Nick Riviera was not killed - Dr. Marvin Monroe was. He may have been offed in the movie, but he has most certainly appeared on the show since then.

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